All Things Thunder Offseason Thread

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now this is weird

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Presti type: long hair

[jake_swivel]

It really has to be part of Sam's strategy to wait for teams to cap themselves out with enormous salaries then trade them 2nd rounders for future firsts, right? They already had a roster's worth of 2nd rounders over 6 years before getting at least 3 more with these salary dumps.

[jake_swivel]

2nd rounders acquired:

2024 (Charlotte or Minn)
2025 (Atlanta, Philadelphia. Boston or memphis)
2026 (Dallas or Philadelphia)
2028 (Utah)
2029 (Atlanta, Boston, Phoenix)

OKC's own 2nd rounders:

2026-2029

That's 13 total second rounders. If Houston's 2024 1st doesn't convey, we get 2 more 2nd rounders. If 2026 doesn't convey, that's another one. So at least 13, but possibly 16.

That's before considering the 1sts. If none of Houston's 1sts convey but all the others do, OKC has 12 1sts between now and 2029. None of the others are so highly protected that they won't convey at some point.

Total picks before 2029 is either 27 or 28.

Dipo netted 2 more, but we don't know when, I don't think. Patty would be at least another one, but 6.8 million sure would be a lot to pay for 1 2nd rounder when OKC is already over the floor.

https://www.hoopsrumors.com/2023/04/new-cba-to-include-cap-exception-for-second-round-picks.html

The NBA’s new Collective Bargaining Agreement will introduce a new cap exception for second-round draft picks, reports Shams Charania of The Athletic (Twitter link).

Under the current system, teams sign their first-round picks to four-year contracts using the “rookie scale exception,” with the compensation amounts dependent on the player’s exact draft position. But if a team wants to sign its second-round pick for more than the rookie minimum or for more than two seasons, it must use cap room or an exception such as the mid-level.

While we don’t yet know exactly what the second-round pick exception will look like, Charania suggests that teams will no longer have to use their mid-level exceptions when they sign their second-rounders to their first NBA contracts, so the new exception should allow for deals up to three or four years.

[Dadouv47]

2nd rounders acquired:

2024 (Charlotte or Minn)
2025 (Atlanta, Philadelphia. Boston or memphis)
2026 (Dallas or Philadelphia)
2028 (Utah)
2029 (Atlanta, Boston, Phoenix)

OKC's own 2nd rounders:

2026-2029

That's 13 total second rounders. If Houston's 2024 1st doesn't convey, we get 2 more 2nd rounders. If 2026 doesn't convey, that's another one. So at least 13, but possibly 16.

That's before considering the 1sts. If none of Houston's 1sts convey but all the others do, OKC has 12 1sts between now and 2029. None of the others are so highly protected that they won't convey at some point.

Total picks before 2029 is either 27 or 28.

Dipo netted 2 more, but we don't know when, I don't think. Patty would be at least another one, but 6.8 million sure would be a lot to pay for 1 2nd rounder when OKC is already over the floor.

https://www.hoopsrumors.com/2023/04/new-cba-to-include-cap-exception-for-second-round-picks.html

The NBA’s new Collective Bargaining Agreement will introduce a new cap exception for second-round draft picks, reports Shams Charania of The Athletic (Twitter link).

Under the current system, teams sign their first-round picks to four-year contracts using the “rookie scale exception,” with the compensation amounts dependent on the player’s exact draft position. But if a team wants to sign its second-round pick for more than the rookie minimum or for more than two seasons, it must use cap room or an exception such as the mid-level.

While we don’t yet know exactly what the second-round pick exception will look like, Charania suggests that teams will no longer have to use their mid-level exceptions when they sign their second-rounders to their first NBA contracts, so the new exception should allow for deals up to three or four years.

Nice job.

Those 5 second round picks trades for meh players at the last trade deadline was something some GMs messed up.

FRPs value is super high right now (highest since the PG13 trade at least) and 2nd round pick value might be at an all time high.

Teams were shopping middle to late 2nd round picks in the 2021 draft for something like 2,5 millions if I'm not mistaken so if Presti got 2026-2029 second round picks with much higher value they have now with the new rules, it should be worth taking on 10 millions contract for two 2nd round picks.

We still have too many picks though (can we get a second NBA team?) but we will be able to trade for decent role players in a couple of years by trading 2-3 SRPs instead of FRPs.

[Devilanche]

Are we trading all the expiring somewhere or just going to cut them ?

Seems like now might be a good time to trade for Simmons .

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JDub getting stronger

[Dadouv47]

Are we trading all the expiring somewhere or just going to cut them ?

Seems like now might be a good time to trade for Simmons .

Ben Simmons? I wouldn't mind trading for him but which players the Nets could use? We only got trash players.

[jake_swivel]

Plus we just got patty mills from the nets. Can’t really trade back his contract.

[Big nick]

Wow Sam has been a busy man. Jdub looks way stronger he was such a great pick.

[Devilanche]

Are we trading all the expiring somewhere or just going to cut them ?

Seems like now might be a good time to trade for Simmons .

Ben Simmons? I wouldn't mind trading for him but which players the Nets could use? We only got trash players.

Didn’t realise dipo and Bertans isn’t enough salary matching.

[Dadouv47]

I'm still not sold on this but if JDub builds such a strong body he might be a long term solution at the PF position (still not where I would want him to play though).

[jake_swivel]

I'm still not sold on this but if JDub builds such a strong body he might be a long term solution at the PF position (still not where I would want him to play though).

Don't give in. We must protest.

[Big nick]

I'm still not sold on this but if JDub builds such a strong body he might be a long term solution at the PF position (still not where I would want him to play though).

This is what I have been thinking. I believe Sam, even though I don't always agree with him, has set this team for a very long time. We I believe are like one trade away from being very good if not great.

[slick_watts]

I'm still not sold on this but if JDub builds such a strong body he might be a long term solution at the PF position (still not where I would want him to play though).

i'd like to see him next to chet. he has the length to do it. and chet is the kind of center you can, theoretically, make this work with.

[Kizz Fastfists]

Dort sign and trade.

What is the maximum y’all would give up for him, both contract-wise and in addition to dort?

Dort, Wiggins and Miami 2025 FRP. 4 years/96 millions total to PJ Washington.

I don't think you're giving enough value to dump Dort's contract much less also get Washington. That contract is way too high for Washington as well. An undersized backup big that would be fighting with Chet, Jalen, JRE and Kenrich for playing time at PF and you're going to have a hard time selling me on Washington being better than any of them. If Presti had gotten a legitimate center and I thought they were going to actually play players in the right positions you could potentially sell me on Washington as a backup PF and small ball center for $72M/4yr and giving up the two firsts it would take to get them to accept Dort's contract and the first it would take to give value for Washington.

Until they add a legitimate center adding more undersized big men does nothing. They won 40 games last year. With Chet and Cason as rookies they should take another jump. Without a legitimate center that jump is limited. Cason seems like a Patrick Beverly type, 3&D combo guard. Should be solid off the bench as a rookie. However, the starting lineup is still incomplete. SGA-Giddy-Jalen-Chet-CENTER! Fix the starting lineup then worry about the bench. There are enough quality bench guys already.

[jake_swivel]

Until they add a legitimate center adding more undersized big men does nothing. They won 40 games last year. With Chet and Cason as rookies they should take another jump. Without a legitimate center that jump is limited. Cason seems like a Patrick Beverly type, 3&D combo guard. Should be solid off the bench as a rookie. However, the starting lineup is still incomplete. SGA-Giddy-Jalen-Chet-CENTER! Fix the starting lineup then worry about the bench. There are enough quality bench guys already.

Are you thinking that he will never be a center or that he isn’t currently a center?

[Dadouv47]

What is the maximum y’all would give up for him, both contract-wise and in addition to dort?

Dort, Wiggins and Miami 2025 FRP. 4 years/96 millions total to PJ Washington.

I don't think you're giving enough value to dump Dort's contract much less also get Washington. That contract is way too high for Washington as well. An undersized backup big that would be fighting with Chet, Jalen, JRE and Kenrich for playing time at PF and you're going to have a hard time selling me on Washington being better than any of them. If Presti had gotten a legitimate center and I thought they were going to actually play players in the right positions you could potentially sell me on Washington as a backup PF and small ball center for $72M/4yr and giving up the two firsts it would take to get them to accept Dort's contract and the first it would take to give value for Washington.

Until they add a legitimate center adding more undersized big men does nothing. They won 40 games last year. With Chet and Cason as rookies they should take another jump. Without a legitimate center that jump is limited. Cason seems like a Patrick Beverly type, 3&D combo guard. Should be solid off the bench as a rookie. However, the starting lineup is still incomplete. SGA-Giddy-Jalen-Chet-CENTER! Fix the starting lineup then worry about the bench. There are enough quality bench guys already.

you value Dort as a very negative contract while I view him as slightly positive so probably why u think it's not enough.

Question was what would be the max I would give to PJ Washington. I think he's worth 80 millions over 4 years but I would be ok to give it up to 96 because I love the fit in OKC. I think we have our Center in Chet (if he doesn't bust) and we need PF improvement. PJ is a very smart player, can defend multiple positions and still is pretty decent from 3.

I don't think Presti is looking as a traditional big and that's maybe why some of us are frustrated with the lack of bigs. Recent great teams are giving him reason..except from Jokic that is an anomaly, you have teams like Miami/Boston/Gs that barely play with a true big and those centers are mostly guys that can pass, dribble and shoot. Milwaukee has Brook Lopez but he's more important on offense than defense.

I want a back up in case Chet gets injured though. That's maybe why Presti signed that aussie guy but it looks like a very long shot.

[LewisnotMiller]

heard from some Denver fans that he's not that bad and is a very good 3 pt shooter. Odds of him becoming a decent player are still pretty low but whatever.

Super strange that he goes from averaging 4 points as a senior at Duke to being a 20/10 guy in the G-league. Bizarro world.

Heh...kinda, yeah.

But he is a rock solid guy. Was a team captain at Duke his last two years, incidentally (partially because he was a junior/senior of course). Came back to Australia and ruptured his Achilles, before being a starter on the championship team the next year (roughly 10ppg 7rebs), next to Jock Landale (16ppg, 8rebs).

I'm surprised he popped as a scorer, but he's always been versatile, athletic enough, tough defensively, etc. I honestly don't know how much he'll put on the table for you guys, but I know he won't take anything off it.

[retrobro90]

IF they make a trade for a 4 why wouldnt they go after Siakam? Assuming he'd sign an extension it'd make way more sense to me to make that move than PJ/Simmons/Collins etc