Dame requests a trade.

[DaVoiceMaster]

I think best offer will be from Nets. Lillard is very close with Mikal Bridges and Nets would be an immediate Eastern contender with Lillard/Bridges and good role players in Claxton/Johnson etc.

I think something like Simmons, Clowney, Whitehead, 2025 PHX, 2027 PHX, 2027 PHI, 2028 BKN is a nice package. Essentially 6 firsts and take on Simmons contract (expires in two years so off of it by the time anyone other than Grant needs to be paid)

I hope we just stretch/waive Simmons immediately. Seems like we could do better, but if we just want first rounders from a likely 8 seed - lottery team, yeah send Dame there, cause outside of the Phoenix guys and Claxton that roster is worse than we were last year.

No more dead money for years!
Just take the hit for the expiring Nets contracts or even the 2 for Simmons. Sell them off for what fits kinda on short deals.
NO MORE DEAD MONEY!

This is essentially what I posted on the T&T Board yesterday. I had Sharpe coming over, as well as a replacement for Nurkic. I had a Grant S&T for Dinwiddie to finish it off, although that's not as important since Dinwiddie (expiring) would need to be flipped to another team or waived. I think I had 5 total picks and some young'ns. That also gave Brooklyn a really nice roster.

I fully expect Cronin to play hardball a bit to get the best deal. Rumor had it Riley was already playing hardball so Cronin should go generate interest elsewhere to force Riley to up his offer if they do intend to send Lillard to Miami. Honestly, I would live to see him end up there. Lillard, Butler, and Bam together would be a nice trio. My wife's family lives an hour north of Miami and we will likely end up there in a year-and-a-half ourselves so Miami could easily become my Eastern Conference team.

[Blazinaway]

Gotta think Herro would be a really good fit on SA or ORL

[Brandon-Clyde]

Heat fan here.

Just want to say a couple things on Herro and stuff.


The media is full of Boston/Philly/NY etc type people who absolutely hate the Miami Heat and everything Miami, because of rivalries. They back their home town teams, Sixers, Celtics, whatever.

So, naturally, whenever Miami is involved in a trade talk like this, all of our assets magically suck. All of our players are trash outside of Bam.

Nevermind the fact that, in the past 4 seasons, the Heat have :

- made 2 Finals trips (2020, 2023)
- made another ECF trip (2022)
- and were a Jimmy Butler missed buzzer beater in game 7 to earn a 3rd Finals trip (2022)

But our assets are trash. Right.

People talk down our assets. You'll regularly catch Knicks fans, etc doing it too. They clearly have their agenda. It's no different with media talking heads. For example, people hate on Duncan Robinson, but the man single handedly caught fire in Game 2 NBA Finals and helped us steal HCA from Denver. Something -no other team was able to do in the entire playoffs-.

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They hate on his contract, but Max Strus just got paid 16m/yr . Let me tell you, as Heat fans, we consider Duncan better than Strus.

Anyway, about Tyler Herro.


Here the truth about Herro.

Herro is more than a "just an elite 3pt shooter".

- When Herro had to earn his stripes under Coach Spo and Heat culture, he came off the bench and won 6th man of the year (2022)
- He can handle the ball and run an offense.
- He can iso and create his own shot (something we sorely needed vs the Nuggets, but he was injured)
- He just turned 23 yrs old this January. He is still improving.
- He is a legit 3 level scorer.
- Riley LOVES this kid and thinks he can be as good or better than Devin Booker.


Here are Herro highlights from this year, right before he got that freak injury in the playoffs this year. Take note of these plays. He can create his own shot and is a legit 3 level scorer. Not sure why Portland wouldn't want someone like this, who is only 23 yo and already has veteran playoff experience, and Riley/Spo absolutely love.

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Herro may be a fine player but he holds little to no value to the Blazers who even after trading Dame would still have three quality young guards deserving of playing time plus two or three more guards ( Thybulle, Keon and Rupert) who can play. If Herro has real value it is Miami's responsibility to find a trade for him that brings in assets that the Blazers can use.

heat need to go find a third team, but at the same time, the offers are about to be VERY bad for him unless boston offers brown.

Are you certain about that? New York and Brooklyn can make substantial offers. Even then other teams they only really need to beat out Miami's offer don't they? Dame doesn't have a no trade clause like Beal did so he can't block a trade that way. So Miami is only going to get Dame if the Portland front office believes the deal is worth it. So Miami better make a quality offer or look elsewhere for talent.

[GEE]

I think best offer will be from Nets. Lillard is very close with Mikal Bridges and Nets would be an immediate Eastern contender with Lillard/Bridges and good role players in Claxton/Johnson etc.

I think something like Simmons, Clowney, Whitehead, 2025 PHX, 2027 PHX, 2027 PHI, 2028 BKN is a nice package. Essentially 6 firsts and take on Simmons contract (expires in two years so off of it by the time anyone other than Grant needs to be paid)

Get Claxton, put Nurkic in their TPE. That’s what they get to swallow for getting Dame.
Dual sign and trades of Grant and Johnson to make everyone happy … including me … may be too much to ask. Ask anyway.

Agreed, I want one of Johnson or Claxton included with salary relief and picks. I would say both, but that leaves Brooklyn in the lottery and defeats the purpose for everyone.

I wish I knew that BRK has a strong interest in Dame, but I don't know that. Hopefully they do and we can just deal with them one on one and give Miami the finger. Hope it happens this way.

I too want, and would almost demand Claxton and I think the way to get him won't be hard. Nurkic should have great value to a team like BRK because the second Dame arrives there, with Bridges, that team is going to want to win now, and Nurkic is better against Embiid and Giannis than Claxton ever will be.

Maybe this without getting too greedy:
PDX: Dame / Nurkic
BKN: Simmons / Claxton / Sharpe (and/or) Clowney / 3 PICKS (really good ones) / Filler (Dinwiddie?)

If I were Cronin, I'm telling all interested GMs to have their best offers in by Monday morning. If this or better is there... I'd be feeling just fine with the return, and I would think BRK would love it considering they get the best player obviously, which is THE win at least 90% of the time. They would still have a fairly large trove of assets they could use, to make their team a decent contender by the end of the trade deadline, I would think.

One small but lovely additional bonus is, if this were to happen, we also get to give the finger to Morey, as he won't be getting Dame, and will be stuck with Harden. Maybe we take a serious swing at Embiid 'bout a year from now. One more year of Harden in Philly should do the trick.

[Brandon-Clyde]

Here are Herro highlights from this year, right before he got that freak injury in the playoffs this year. Take note of these plays. He can create his own shot and is a legit 3 level scorer. Not sure why Portland wouldn't want someone like this, who is only 23 yo and already has veteran playoff experience, and Riley/Spo absolutely love.

Because we already have a better talent playing his position in Shaedon and Herro-Sharpe is going to be a bad combo defensively.

Simply put Tyler won't attract Blazers much anyway.

I would argue Ant is the reason Herro is useless here more than anything. Shae and Herro are very diff, Ant and Herro however are not.

Shae and Herro do play the same position though and Portland sees Shar as the future at SG . Plus it's not just the two players as I pointed out. Portland even after trading Dame would have six players in Scoot,Shaedon,Simons, Thybulle, Keon and Rupert for those 96 minutes per game. Even after a Dame trade Portland could be looking for small trades to balance the roster better. Bringing in another guard in a Dame trade would only make matters more difficult.

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[Lockdown504090]

Herro may be a fine player but he holds little to no value to the Blazers who even after trading Dame would still have three quality young guards deserving of playing time plus two or three more guards ( Thybulle, Keon and Rupert) who can play. If Herro has real value it is Miami's responsibility to find a trade for him that brings in assets that the Blazers can use.

heat need to go find a third team, but at the same time, the offers are about to be VERY bad for him unless boston offers brown.

Are you certain about that? New York and Brooklyn can make substantial offers. Even then other teams they only really need to beat out Miami's offer don't they? Dame doesn't have a no trade clause like Beal did so he can't block a trade that way. So Miami is only going to get Dame if the Portland front office believes the deal is worth it. So Miami better make a quality offer or look elsewhere for talent.

Well here’sa couple issues with that. 1. New York resisted on breaking up their guys for Durant, Beal, harden, they obviously aren’t in the market for that age group. The nets are going to be form on dumping Simmons and keeping bridges so they can pair them together, while cam Johnson can’t even be traded unless he agrees to Portland. Boston might offer brown, but he’s a ufa in a year, Portland doesn’t have the super max to keep him, Andrew there will be a lot of better teams with money next offseason. Towns is also possible though. Not a ton of better options than what heat are offering

[Brandon-Clyde]

heat need to go find a third team, but at the same time, the offers are about to be VERY bad for him unless boston offers brown.

Are you certain about that? New York and Brooklyn can make substantial offers. Even then other teams they only really need to beat out Miami's offer don't they? Dame doesn't have a no trade clause like Beal did so he can't block a trade that way. So Miami is only going to get Dame if the Portland front office believes the deal is worth it. So Miami better make a quality offer or look elsewhere for talent.

Well here’sa couple issues with that. 1. New York resisted on breaking up their guys for Durant, Beal, harden, they obviously aren’t in the market for that age group. The nets are going to be form on dumping Simmons and keeping bridges so they can pair them together, while cam Johnson can’t even be traded unless he agrees to Portland. Boston might offer brown, but he’s a ufa in a year, Portland doesn’t have the super max to keep him, Andrew there will be a lot of better teams with money next offseason. Towns is also possible though. Not a ton of better options than what heat are offering

New York has been very interested in Dame in the past, Brooklyn has a lot of firsts from the Durant and Harden trades and Simmons contract is shorter than Herro's, Toronto might be talked into offering Scottie Barnes and picks and making a run with Siakam, OG and Poetl providing defense ( basically like they did with Kawhi only having Dame on contract longer). Just understand that Portland doesn't have to accept any offer Miami makes and that while Miami is Dame's preferred destination that Portland doesn't have to trade him there if another team makes a superior offer.

[Wizenheimer]

I mean in hindsight there was a lot of smoke, I know I personally tried to dismiss it but its hard to now. The whole IG post with "welcome to Miami" playing in the back-ground, do we still really think that was just a coincidence like his camp claimed?? Hard to believe, it seems likely this decision was made a while ago and I would be a bit curious who he had been talking to. Bam and Jimmy deep in his DMs no doubt, but heck Haslam and the special deal he has there seems like the perfect vehicle for the Miami's front-office to tamper with athletes.

Lillard was almost certainly convinced this was an once in a life-time opportunity to join a roster that just made the finals and that he could be the final piece to that championship, that he could have the glory and everything he had been chasing here in Portland. I totally get the allure and the draw of that, but I don't think its a coincidence that since Dame worked to get Grant here that he would ensure his guy gets paid before leaving and so I am pretty skeptical that he just came to a decision about this last night.

there is a lot more 'reporting' today that Dame told Cronin he wanted a trade in the Monday meeting, with his agent present, but agreed to wait for a few days to see if Cronin could pull a rabbit out of his hat (I can't post tweets because I'm not a twitter member and it's shut down to me). Dame then had a long conversation with Billups Friday night and made the formal trade request yesterday morning. The Blazers knew it was probably coming. What Billups said to Dame nobody knows

as I said earlier, I'm convinced the Grant contract has been a done deal for months. Maybe even since Grant arrived in Portland. he couldn't get that 5th season till yesterday and that's what he wanted. That deal was independent of whatever happened with Dame, IMO

[Wizenheimer]

Herro isn't trash, he's fine but Ant is our 3rd guard and a better fit in that role than Herro.

PG: Scoot = 32 minutes per game, Ant=16 that's all 48 minutes.
SG: Sharpe = 32 minutes per game, Ant=16
that's all 48 minutes at SG
Herro can't play SF and Shaedon shouldn't be there more than about 8 minutes a game. There will be injuries and foul trouble, but that's what Keon or Mayes are for. I just don't see why we'd want Tyler.

Still have a hard time seeing how Ant would be happy being relegated to 6th man with his contract and being a starter last year.

if Ant is still a Blazer next season, Chauncey will start him. One of Scoot/Sharpe will sit to start games.

by the way...are you really banned from the trade forum?

[Jsun947]

I mean in hindsight there was a lot of smoke, I know I personally tried to dismiss it but its hard to now. The whole IG post with "welcome to Miami" playing in the back-ground, do we still really think that was just a coincidence like his camp claimed?? Hard to believe, it seems likely this decision was made a while ago and I would be a bit curious who he had been talking to. Bam and Jimmy deep in his DMs no doubt, but heck Haslam and the special deal he has there seems like the perfect vehicle for the Miami's front-office to tamper with athletes.

Lillard was almost certainly convinced this was an once in a life-time opportunity to join a roster that just made the finals and that he could be the final piece to that championship, that he could have the glory and everything he had been chasing here in Portland. I totally get the allure and the draw of that, but I don't think its a coincidence that since Dame worked to get Grant here that he would ensure his guy gets paid before leaving and so I am pretty skeptical that he just came to a decision about this last night.

there is a lot more 'reporting' today that Dame told Cronin he wanted a trade in the Monday meeting, with his agent present, but agreed to wait for a few days to see if Cronin could pull a rabbit out of his hat (I can't post tweets because I'm not a twitter member and it's shut down to me). Dame then had a long conversation with Billups Friday night and made the formal trade request yesterday morning. The Blazers knew it was probably coming. What Billups said to Dame nobody knows

as I said earlier, I'm convinced the Grant contract has been a done deal for months. Maybe even since Grant arrived in Portland. he couldn't get that 5th season till yesterday and that's what he wanted. That deal was independent of whatever happened with Dame, IMO

I agree about Grant & the 5th year etc.

I’d also be surprised if he’s a Blazer after the trade deadline. He’s too easily tradable to teams like Philly & GSW who would rather have him than their expiring contracts.

[ebott]

I heard somebody present the idea that we should do the Miami trade and start Herro and Ant so that for at least this year after Dame leaves those two are the face of the franchise. The idea being that those two guys are the scapegoats for this very very bad season we're about to have and then fans don't have the Dame leaving bad taste in their mouth when they think of Scoot and Shaedon.

[DusterBuster]

Herro isn't trash, he's fine but Ant is our 3rd guard and a better fit in that role than Herro.

PG: Scoot = 32 minutes per game, Ant=16 that's all 48 minutes.
SG: Sharpe = 32 minutes per game, Ant=16
that's all 48 minutes at SG
Herro can't play SF and Shaedon shouldn't be there more than about 8 minutes a game. There will be injuries and foul trouble, but that's what Keon or Mayes are for. I just don't see why we'd want Tyler.

Still have a hard time seeing how Ant would be happy being relegated to 6th man with his contract and being a starter last year.

if Ant is still a Blazer next season, Chauncey will start him. One of Scoot/Sharpe will sit to start games.

by the way...are you really banned from the trade forum?

This is what I suspect too. I think Scoot probably starts the season on the bench unfortunately if Ant is still in town. Only possibility for Scoot to start with Ant here as well is if they start Sharpe at SF… which is also ideal.

For why I’m banned from there, it’s because of HartfordWhales I think. He was posting terrible Blazer trades left right and center a few years back and I was calling him out on it. He was a mod who got his feeling hurt and got me banned. Never even bothered trying to appeal it or fight it because … why bother lol.

[CeltsfanSinceBirth]

Would love to offer you guys Brown for Dame, but yeah, his contract status makes it where he can kill any deal.

Just here to say “Please don’t trade him to Miami”. Lol. Honestly, Utah could give you guys a haul with those juicy Twolves picks.

[Lockdown504090]

Are you certain about that? New York and Brooklyn can make substantial offers. Even then other teams they only really need to beat out Miami's offer don't they? Dame doesn't have a no trade clause like Beal did so he can't block a trade that way. So Miami is only going to get Dame if the Portland front office believes the deal is worth it. So Miami better make a quality offer or look elsewhere for talent.

Well here’sa couple issues with that. 1. New York resisted on breaking up their guys for Durant, Beal, harden, they obviously aren’t in the market for that age group. The nets are going to be form on dumping Simmons and keeping bridges so they can pair them together, while cam Johnson can’t even be traded unless he agrees to Portland. Boston might offer brown, but he’s a ufa in a year, Portland doesn’t have the super max to keep him, Andrew there will be a lot of better teams with money next offseason. Towns is also possible though. Not a ton of better options than what heat are offering

New York has been very interested in Dame in the past, Brooklyn has a lot of firsts from the Durant and Harden trades and Simmons contract is shorter than Herro's, Toronto might be talked into offering Scottie Barnes and picks and making a run with Siakam, OG and Poetl providing defense ( basically like they did with Kawhi only having Dame on contract longer). Just understand that Portland doesn't have to accept any offer Miami makes and that while Miami is Dame's preferred destination that Portland doesn't have to trade him there if another team makes a superior offer.

I think it would be founier 3-4 firsts( detroit dallas washington, pretty protected as well) barett, and fournier. im not sure if thats better long term than getting 2 from the heat, whatever herro is worth to a third team, caleb martin and duncan robinson. Toronto wouldnt make a good offer, and they probably wont make one for dame, because its not going to make them even the third best team in the east. Minny and boston still probably have the best offers if they wanna part with their second best players. Knicks are probably waiting on brown/towns status more than damian lillard's.

[DusterBuster]

Would love to offer you guys Brown for Dame, but yeah, his contract status makes it where he can kill any deal.

Just here to say “Please don’t trade him to Miami”. Lol. Honestly, Utah could give you guys a haul with those juicy Twolves picks.

I would love a Brown for Dame deal if the situation could work. He’s the perfect SF with the rest of the guys they have. Would probably allow Portland to be a playoff or playin team too.

Utah would be awesome, but I don’t see Ainge being willing to move those picks for Dame.

[Brandon-Clyde]

Well here’sa couple issues with that. 1. New York resisted on breaking up their guys for Durant, Beal, harden, they obviously aren’t in the market for that age group. The nets are going to be form on dumping Simmons and keeping bridges so they can pair them together, while cam Johnson can’t even be traded unless he agrees to Portland. Boston might offer brown, but he’s a ufa in a year, Portland doesn’t have the super max to keep him, Andrew there will be a lot of better teams with money next offseason. Towns is also possible though. Not a ton of better options than what heat are offering

New York has been very interested in Dame in the past, Brooklyn has a lot of firsts from the Durant and Harden trades and Simmons contract is shorter than Herro's, Toronto might be talked into offering Scottie Barnes and picks and making a run with Siakam, OG and Poetl providing defense ( basically like they did with Kawhi only having Dame on contract longer). Just understand that Portland doesn't have to accept any offer Miami makes and that while Miami is Dame's preferred destination that Portland doesn't have to trade him there if another team makes a superior offer.

I think it would be founier 3-4 firsts( detroit dallas washington, pretty protected as well) barett, and fournier. im not sure if thats better long term than getting 2 from the heat, whatever herro is worth to a third team, caleb martin and duncan robinson. Toronto wouldnt make a good offer, and they probably wont make one for dame, because its not going to make them even the third best team in the east. Minny and boston still probably have the best offers if they wanna part with their second best players. Knicks are probably waiting on brown/towns status more than damian lillard's.

3-4 firsts might be better than two firsts and what Herro brings, Duncan Robinson is a negative contract and Caleb Martin holds no value for Portland being another undersized SF that is already 27 years old and is nothing more than a role player. I suggest you start to think about what Portland will want in a trade instead of trying to convince Portland fans that the mismatched "talent" you want to offer is good enough.

[DusterBuster]

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Yeah, seems to be clear it’s known moving Nurkic will be part of a Dame deal.

[Lockdown504090]

New York has been very interested in Dame in the past, Brooklyn has a lot of firsts from the Durant and Harden trades and Simmons contract is shorter than Herro's, Toronto might be talked into offering Scottie Barnes and picks and making a run with Siakam, OG and Poetl providing defense ( basically like they did with Kawhi only having Dame on contract longer). Just understand that Portland doesn't have to accept any offer Miami makes and that while Miami is Dame's preferred destination that Portland doesn't have to trade him there if another team makes a superior offer.

I think it would be founier 3-4 firsts( detroit dallas washington, pretty protected as well) barett, and fournier. im not sure if thats better long term than getting 2 from the heat, whatever herro is worth to a third team, caleb martin and duncan robinson. Toronto wouldnt make a good offer, and they probably wont make one for dame, because its not going to make them even the third best team in the east. Minny and boston still probably have the best offers if they wanna part with their second best players. Knicks are probably waiting on brown/towns status more than damian lillard's.

3-4 firsts might be better than two firsts and what Herro brings, Duncan Robinson is a negative contract and Caleb Martin holds no value for Portland being another undersized SF that is already 27 years old and is nothing more than a role player. I suggest you start to think about what Portland will want in a trade instead of trying to convince Portland fans that the mismatched "talent" you want to offer is good enough.

I think the better option for them is to be flexible and open themselves to EITHER competing or rebuilding. They aren’t getting good offers for either same or that pick. Just because you are “open for business” doesn’t mean a lot of teams are willing to give assets for him. Kevin durant for example consented to the deals and was an active participant in his trade because nobody is trading for a guy who doesn’t wanna be there if they’re trying to get a chip, which every team getting lillard is. They are much much better off in terms of fair return trying to get brown towns Siakam+OG, Zach lavine than trading dame in this climate.

Any team trading for a superstar that has demanded it and to a specific team is going to lowball the crap out of the blazers. Nobody in the running has any real need to do a dame deal. What are they gonna do? Wait till the deadline for the offers to get worse when lillard isn’t playing well?

[DusterBuster]

I am so curious what last couple years would have looked like with Stotts instead of Billups. Stotts already had a decade of practice working around two smaller guards and knowing how to respond in games to make that work and know how to get clutch plays out of Lillard but Billups lost a ton of close games due to late game mismanagement. If we hadn't lost the close games, we wouldn't have tanked out the season and we very likely could have been a playoff team and we probably wouldn't be in this situation right now.

Billups for Stotts was the biggest downgrade ever. I always thought Stotts was underrated and his flaws did not outweigh his skills. I feel pretty vindicated in that opinion for what we’ve seen in the last few years.

I really hope the Blazers hire Bud if they can get him. Just get him in the organization even if they don’t make him coach initially, just hire him. The organization would be better with him regardless of where he would be used.