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Magic Resign C/F Moritz Wagner - 2 years, $16M with a team option on the 2nd year

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Re: Magic Resign C/F Moritz Wagner - 2 years, $16M 

Post#81 » by jezzerinho » Sun Jul 2, 2023 5:40 pm

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Re: Magic Resign C/F Moritz Wagner - 2 years, $16M 

Post#82 » by Skybox » Sun Jul 2, 2023 7:14 pm

Did we hear for sure that Year 2 is Team Option? (obviously a huge consideration)
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Post#83 » by jonbob17 » Sun Jul 2, 2023 7:48 pm

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jonbob17 wrote:A little more than I would have thought, not sure who we were bidding against...but Mo is a versatile big capable of playing minutes at both spots.

With the Bol decision lingering...i can't help but think they are shopping someone...2 for 1 or just going to cut bait on one of the forwards.


Hollinger touched on this a little bit in his column today. His remarks were Ingles centric, but they apply to Moritz as well.

In fact, the smartest plays I’ve seen on the board have come from teams such as Orlando and Indiana, who have adopted something of a hybrid strategy by essentially turning their cap room into both a useful player and a trade exception.

Bruce Brown is overpaid at $45 million over two years, but with a second-year team option he basically operates as a trade exception. If any deal comes up to get the Pacers a truly difference-making player, they have the large expiring deal they need …and that’s true at any point in the next two years if they pick up the option. In the meantime, they landed a genuinely useful player to help in the backcourt; this is way higher up the food chain than absorbing a salary dump.

Orlando had a similar concept with half the money; Ingles isn’t on Brown’s level, but having his deal on the books lets the Magic quickly pivot if a trade opportunity presents itself.

For teams like the Magic and Pacers that are still figuring out what they have, I thought this was a particularly clever use of their cap room, and I was a bit surprised more teams didn’t go for the short-term overpay as a means of rolling over cap space.


Interesting I wasn't thinking of Ingles or Moe's deals this way, (i suppose they are) but I do believe the Harris deal falls into this category as well. While Harris's contract isn't worth much on its own, packaging with others or using it as an expiring could be helpful for another deal.

I do like Ingles, he wasn't particularly good last year, but if he reclaims some of his game he's nice depth that can dribble, pass, and shoot, while also being low usage, and not taking the ball out of the more skilled and developing players.

I suppose the same can be said for Harris, while not as skilled as Ingles, even the minutes he is on the floor is low usage isn't taking the ball out of the hands of Franz and Paolo. Still think the guard situation is much more complicated given the log jam, and think that Harris should be the one that sits on the bench.

This Magic team should have two goals. 1. One developing the young talent. 2. Preparing the capsheet so that we are ready maximize salary in the years we are truly ready to compete....so if these are part of the 2nd (and hopefully the first too) then great.
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Re: Magic Resign C/F Moritz Wagner - 2 years, $16M 

Post#84 » by Knightro » Sun Jul 2, 2023 8:30 pm

Skybox wrote:Did we hear for sure that Year 2 is Team Option? (obviously a huge consideration)


No word on that yet. Probably because the Magic don't have any local beat writers anymore.
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Post#85 » by drsd » Sun Jul 2, 2023 8:35 pm

jezzerinho wrote:Where's the

"We're putting the band back together" GIF??


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Re: Magic Resign C/F Moritz Wagner - 2 years, $16M 

Post#86 » by drsd » Sun Jul 2, 2023 8:38 pm

AdamTheGreek wrote:The big concern is we’re leaning heavily on Isaac for rim protection.

Assuming the second gear is either non-guaranteed or a team option, the difference between $5 and $8 mil. isn’t a big deal. When Moe was fully healthy, he was great (he started in our win streak, brought high scoring). He’s a better big than Goga.
It’s when the injuries were involved that it held him back. I hope he’s healthy entering next season because it held him back last year. Have fun with Franz playing for Germany, and as long as he’s healthy for us entering the season he’ll be great.

Moe can also play PF, Goga cannot.

Also, Joe and Moe gives us two **** on the team now.


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Re: Magic Resign C/F Moritz Wagner - 2 years, $16M 

Post#87 » by KillMonger » Sun Jul 2, 2023 9:49 pm

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Skybox wrote:Did we hear for sure that Year 2 is Team Option? (obviously a huge consideration)


No word on that yet. Probably because the Magic don't have any local beat writers anymore.
Need to find that out because if there is no option? Massive overpay..... Massive

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Re: Magic Resign C/F Moritz Wagner - 2 years, $16M 

Post#88 » by Skybox » Sun Jul 2, 2023 9:52 pm

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Knightro wrote:
Skybox wrote:Did we hear for sure that Year 2 is Team Option? (obviously a huge consideration)


No word on that yet. Probably because the Magic don't have any local beat writers anymore.
Need to find that out because if there is no option? Massive overpay..... Massive

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Yes…but on the hand if there is…good Job, Mo, at least one mote year and understand you could be moved anytime. Which is a win-win
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Re: Magic Resign C/F Moritz Wagner - 2 years, $16M 

Post#89 » by Horcy » Sun Jul 2, 2023 9:55 pm

Great and expected news. He’s part of our core
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Re: Magic Resign C/F Moritz Wagner - 2 years, $16M 

Post#90 » by richi_v25 » Sun Jul 2, 2023 11:15 pm

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AdamTheGreek wrote:The big concern is we’re leaning heavily on Isaac for rim protection.

Assuming the second gear is either non-guaranteed or a team option, the difference between $5 and $8 mil. isn’t a big deal. When Moe was fully healthy, he was great (he started in our win streak, brought high scoring). He’s a better big than Goga.
It’s when the injuries were involved that it held him back. I hope he’s healthy entering next season because it held him back last year. Have fun with Franz playing for Germany, and as long as he’s healthy for us entering the season he’ll be great.

Moe can also play PF, Goga cannot.

Also, Joe and Moe gives us two **** on the team now.


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Re: Magic Resign C/F Moritz Wagner - 2 years, $16M 

Post#91 » by Def Swami » Tue Jul 4, 2023 11:38 pm

This feels like a Franz Wagner tax, but I like what Moe brings to the table.
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Post#92 » by I Rasharted » Wed Jul 5, 2023 6:06 pm

Horcy wrote:Great and expected news. He’s part of our core

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Post#93 » by yoyojw17 » Wed Jul 5, 2023 7:01 pm

Def Swami wrote:This feels like a Franz Wagner tax, but I like what Moe brings to the table.

Might help for an easy extension negotiation next year.... and at least you know what you're getting from Mo... including 110% effort
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Re: Magic Resign C/F Moritz Wagner - 2 years, $16M 

Post#94 » by RookieStar » Wed Jul 5, 2023 8:42 pm

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Def Swami wrote:This feels like a Franz Wagner tax, but I like what Moe brings to the table.

Might help for an easy extension negotiation next year.... and at least you know what you're getting from Mo... including 110% effort


Yup.. we ask him not to ask for the max but we will "pay" MoeW the difference lol
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Post#95 » by yoyojw17 » Wed Jul 5, 2023 10:07 pm

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Def Swami wrote:This feels like a Franz Wagner tax, but I like what Moe brings to the table.

Might help for an easy extension negotiation next year.... and at least you know what you're getting from Mo... including 110% effort


Yup.. we ask him not to ask for the max but we will "pay" MoeW the difference lol

They share a house and bills already. LOL
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Post#96 » by RookieStar » Wed Jul 5, 2023 10:14 pm

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yoyojw17 wrote:Might help for an easy extension negotiation next year.... and at least you know what you're getting from Mo... including 110% effort


Yup.. we ask him not to ask for the max but we will "pay" MoeW the difference lol

They share a house and bills already. LOL


Thats gonna be awkward when they bring home their girls...
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Post#97 » by yoyojw17 » Wed Jul 5, 2023 10:21 pm

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yoyojw17 wrote:
RookieStar wrote:
Yup.. we ask him not to ask for the max but we will "pay" MoeW the difference lol

They share a house and bills already. LOL


Thats gonna be awkward when they bring home their girls...


by then they will have a mansion with different wings. lol

or they just don't care. haha. I can see them living together till they have significant others.
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Re: Magic Resign C/F Moritz Wagner - 2 years, $16M with a team option on the 2nd year 

Post#98 » by Knightro » Tue Jul 11, 2023 10:39 pm

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Confirmed team option on the 2nd year for Moritz.
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Re: Magic Resign C/F Moritz Wagner - 2 years, $16M with a team option on the 2nd year 

Post#99 » by Knightro » Tue Jul 11, 2023 10:43 pm

The Magic have a ton of expiring contracts on their books right now.

Fultz, Isaac, Ingles, Moritz, Harris and Goga all combined are 68.5M in expiring deals.

Throw in Anthony and Okeke as RFA's to be and it's 75M in expiring contracts.
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Re: Magic Resign C/F Moritz Wagner - 2 years, $16M with a team option on the 2nd year 

Post#100 » by Bensational » Tue Jul 11, 2023 10:50 pm

Knightro wrote:The Magic have a ton of expiring contracts on their books right now.

Fultz, Isaac, Ingles, Moritz, Harris and Goga all combined are 68.5M in expiring deals.

Throw in Anthony and Okeke as RFA's to be and it's 75M in expiring contracts.


Trade deadline could be interesting if the right name is made available. Who that name is? No idea. Would be a team doing a mid-season blow up like we did with Vuc, AG and Fournier.

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