Haynes: Damian Lillard Requests Trade

[ImissJordan]

Don’t think we will have much of a team left to remain competitive in any Dame trade. They would want Scottie (who I would trade btw) and we would need to trade enough salary to equal the incoming $45 million.

We can’t trade our upcoming picks either until the Spurs actually take possession of one of them.

Doesn’t:

- Barnes
- Boucher
- Thad
- Porter
- Flynn

…come somewhat close?

A bench of Schroder/Dick/McDaniels/Precious is also pretty solid.

If this is available in any kind of way - seeing us commit to the direction in which we are probably better suited while allowing Dame to compete in his final prime years (*and* with Portland also getting the best return in the direction they are clearly better suited for) - we should be looking at this extremely seriously.

Also, watching flamethrowers like Lillard and Dick added to this core would be incredibly fun to watch.

Can appreciate concerns around Dame’s age, but he’s got at least 1-3 prime years left and shooters tend to age extremely well. This is a Top 75 player of all-time, here.

If the goal is to be competitive and Masai is not a tanker, then…

[refshateRaps]

Don’t think we will have much of a team left to remain competitive in any Dame trade. They would want Scottie (who I would trade btw) and we would need to trade enough salary to equal the incoming $45 million.

We can’t trade our upcoming picks either until the Spurs actually take possession of one of them.

Doesn’t:

- Barnes
- Boucher
- Thad
- Porter
- Flynn

…come somewhat close?

A bench of Schroder/Dick/McDaniels/Precious is also pretty solid.

If this is available in any kind of way - seeing us commit to the direction in which we are probably better suited while allowing Dame to compete in his final prime years (*and* with Portland also getting the best return in the direction they are clearly better suited for) - we should be looking at this extremely seriously.

Also, watching flamethrowers like Lillard and Dick added to this core would be incredibly fun to watch.

Can appreciate concerns around Dame’s age, but he’s got at least 1-3 prime years left and shooters tend to age extremely well. This is a Top 75 player of all-time, here.

If the goal is to be competitive and Masai is not a tanker, then…

Only need Barnes, Boucher, Thad I believe. Flynn just to give an opportunity too.

Really this is a no brainer if Portland wants Barnes plus picks

Dame/Schroder
GTJ/Dick
OG/OPJ/McDaniels
Pascal/Precious
Poeltl/Koloko

Dream land

[ImissJordan]

Don’t think we will have much of a team left to remain competitive in any Dame trade. They would want Scottie (who I would trade btw) and we would need to trade enough salary to equal the incoming $45 million.

We can’t trade our upcoming picks either until the Spurs actually take possession of one of them.

Doesn’t:

- Barnes
- Boucher
- Thad
- Porter
- Flynn

…come somewhat close?

A bench of Schroder/Dick/McDaniels/Precious is also pretty solid.

If this is available in any kind of way - seeing us commit to the direction in which we are probably better suited while allowing Dame to compete in his final prime years (*and* with Portland also getting the best return in the direction they are clearly better suited for) - we should be looking at this extremely seriously.

Also, watching flamethrowers like Lillard and Dick added to this core would be incredibly fun to watch.

Can appreciate concerns around Dame’s age, but he’s got at least 1-3 prime years left and shooters tend to age extremely well. This is a Top 75 player of all-time, here.

If the goal is to be competitive and Masai is not a tanker, then…

Only need Barnes, Boucher, Thad I believe. Flynn just to give an opportunity too.

Really this is a no brainer if Portland wants Barnes plus picks

Dame/Schroder
GTJ/Dick
OG/OPJ/McDaniels
Pascal/Precious
Poeltl/Koloko

Dream land

Do we also have to give up picks?
Feel a 21-year-old ROY is pretty sufficient.

[Mattatron]

Doesn’t:

- Barnes
- Boucher
- Thad
- Porter
- Flynn

…come somewhat close?

A bench of Schroder/Dick/McDaniels/Precious is also pretty solid.

If this is available in any kind of way - seeing us commit to the direction in which we are probably better suited while allowing Dame to compete in his final prime years (*and* with Portland also getting the best return in the direction they are clearly better suited for) - we should be looking at this extremely seriously.

Also, watching flamethrowers like Lillard and Dick added to this core would be incredibly fun to watch.

Can appreciate concerns around Dame’s age, but he’s got at least 1-3 prime years left and shooters tend to age extremely well. This is a Top 75 player of all-time, here.

If the goal is to be competitive and Masai is not a tanker, then…

Only need Barnes, Boucher, Thad I believe. Flynn just to give an opportunity too.

Really this is a no brainer if Portland wants Barnes plus picks

Dame/Schroder
GTJ/Dick
OG/OPJ/McDaniels
Pascal/Precious
Poeltl/Koloko

Dream land

Do we also have to give up picks?
Feel a 21-year-old ROY is pretty sufficient.

Sure, few picks have to be included.

[ImissJordan]

Only need Barnes, Boucher, Thad I believe. Flynn just to give an opportunity too.

Really this is a no brainer if Portland wants Barnes plus picks

Dame/Schroder
GTJ/Dick
OG/OPJ/McDaniels
Pascal/Precious
Poeltl/Koloko

Dream land

Do we also have to give up picks?
Feel a 21-year-old ROY is pretty sufficient.

Sure, few picks have to be included.

Not sure I agree - if it was OG, sure - no question there.

But Barnes alone is better than just about any other return they may be getting for a 33-year-old.

He slots in perfectly with Scoot and Sharpe, too.

[Clutch0z24]

Dame to Miami is a lock at this point ....So if the Siakam trade rumors are legit i guess it has to be Atlanta at this point?

[dTox]

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[Raptors Realtor]

Only need Barnes, Boucher, Thad I believe. Flynn just to give an opportunity too.

Really this is a no brainer if Portland wants Barnes plus picks

Dame/Schroder
GTJ/Dick
OG/OPJ/McDaniels
Pascal/Precious
Poeltl/Koloko

Dream land

Do we also have to give up picks?
Feel a 21-year-old ROY is pretty sufficient.

Sure, few picks have to be included.

It would end up being such a regrettable, shortsighted trade.

[HumbleRen]

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While I get what he's trying to say with the tweet, all of those guys noticeably got better from their rookie to 2nd year lol.


Giannis Year 1 - 7/4/2 on 42% FG

Kawhi Year 1 - 8/5/1 on 49% FG

Tatum Year 1 - 13/5/1 on 47% FG

Brown Year 1 - 6/3/1 on 45% FG

PG Year 1 - 8/4/1 on 45% FG

[refshateRaps]

Do we also have to give up picks?
Feel a 21-year-old ROY is pretty sufficient.

Sure, few picks have to be included.

It would end up being such a regrettable, shortsighted trade.

Why compete now with Pascal in his prime and a supporting cast?

The alternative is hoping Scottie becomes near what Pascal is in the future and pieces become available later on.

[dTox]

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While I get what he's trying to say with the tweet, all of those guys noticeably got better from their rookie to 2nd year lol.


Giannis Year 1 - 7/4/2 on 42% FG

Kawhi Year 1 - 8/5/1 on 49% FG

Tatum Year 1 - 13/5/1 on 47% FG

Brown Year 1 - 6/3/1 on 45% FG

PG Year 1 - 8/4/1 on 45% FG

Scottie went from being a shocking 4th pick, who was a bench player in his college season to ROY in his first NBA season, expecting him to make significant improvement every year is unrealistic. All of the above players have had a season or two in their development years where thing were stagnant (i.e. Tatum year 2 vs yr 1 or Brown year 3 vs year 2)

[HumbleRen]

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While I get what he's trying to say with the tweet, all of those guys noticeably got better from their rookie to 2nd year lol.


Giannis Year 1 - 7/4/2 on 42% FG

Kawhi Year 1 - 8/5/1 on 49% FG

Tatum Year 1 - 13/5/1 on 47% FG

Brown Year 1 - 6/3/1 on 45% FG

PG Year 1 - 8/4/1 on 45% FG

Scottie went from being a shocking 4th pick, who was a bench player in his college season to ROY in his first NBA season, expecting him to make significant improvement every year is unrealistic. All of the above players have had a season or two in their development years where thing were stagnant. You know that

Yes he was shocking at 4 but lets not act like he was some scrub prospect lol. He was mocked to be top 5 for almost the entire draft process lol.

I understand development isn't linear but that tweet is basically implying something that isn't true lol. All of those guys got better in year 2 by the numbers and skill.

[dTox]

While I get what he's trying to say with the tweet, all of those guys noticeably got better from their rookie to 2nd year lol.


Giannis Year 1 - 7/4/2 on 42% FG

Kawhi Year 1 - 8/5/1 on 49% FG

Tatum Year 1 - 13/5/1 on 47% FG

Brown Year 1 - 6/3/1 on 45% FG

PG Year 1 - 8/4/1 on 45% FG

Scottie went from being a shocking 4th pick, who was a bench player in his college season to ROY in his first NBA season, expecting him to make significant improvement every year is unrealistic. All of the above players have had a season or two in their development years where thing were stagnant. You know that

Yes he was shocking at 4 but lets not act like he was some scrub prospect lol. He was mocked to be top 5 for almost the entire draft process lol.

I understand development isn't linear but that tweet is basically implying something that isn't true lol. All of those guys got better in year 2 by the numbers and skill.

Tatum year 2 vs yr 1 or Brown year 3 vs year 2, I can go on. Let's see how Scottie does now that Fred's gone, it's similar to the scenario of when kyrie had left Boston

[Raptors Realtor]

Sure, few picks have to be included.

It would end up being such a regrettable, shortsighted trade.

Why compete now with Pascal in his prime and a supporting cast?

The alternative is hoping Scottie becomes near what Pascal is in the future and pieces become available later on.

My issue is Lillard is 33 and being paid 50-60M for the next few years, and so not only does it limit how you can surround Lillard, but his window is only 2-3 years tops. Whereas Scottie has put up great numbers so far in his young career that are comparable to stars at the same age... I'd rather focus on sustainability then hope all the stars align in the next couple years, which I'm not confident will happen by replacing FVV, Scottie ++ with Dame.

[HumbleRen]

Scottie went from being a shocking 4th pick, who was a bench player in his college season to ROY in his first NBA season, expecting him to make significant improvement every year is unrealistic. All of the above players have had a season or two in their development years where thing were stagnant. You know that

Yes he was shocking at 4 but lets not act like he was some scrub prospect lol. He was mocked to be top 5 for almost the entire draft process lol.

I understand development isn't linear but that tweet is basically implying something that isn't true lol. All of those guys got better in year 2 by the numbers and skill.

Tatum year 2 vs yr 1 or Brown year 3 vs year 2, I can go on. Let's see how Scottie does now that Fred's gone, it's similar to the scenario of when kyrie had left Boston

Possibly but Boston's FO built a competent roster around them.

Scottie might be stuck with even worse spacing lol.

[dTox]

Yes he was shocking at 4 but lets not act like he was some scrub prospect lol. He was mocked to be top 5 for almost the entire draft process lol.

I understand development isn't linear but that tweet is basically implying something that isn't true lol. All of those guys got better in year 2 by the numbers and skill.

Tatum year 2 vs yr 1 or Brown year 3 vs year 2, I can go on. Let's see how Scottie does now that Fred's gone, it's similar to the scenario of when kyrie had left Boston

Possibly but Boston's FO built a competent roster around them.

Scottie might be stuck with even worse spacing lol.

That doesn't change the fact that he can make improvements as a player, everything else is just semantics

[execoftheyear]

It would end up being such a regrettable, shortsighted trade.

Why compete now with Pascal in his prime and a supporting cast?

The alternative is hoping Scottie becomes near what Pascal is in the future and pieces become available later on.

My issue is Lillard is 33 and being paid 50-60M for the next few years, and so not only does it limit how you can surround Lillard, but his window is only 2-3 years tops. Whereas Scottie has put up great numbers so far in his young career that are comparable to stars at the same age... I'd rather focus on sustainability then hope all the stars align in the next couple years, which I'm not confident will happen by replacing FVV, Scottie ++ with Dame.

the issue with waiting is the East is pretty wide open right now and Wembanyama and the Spurs could potentially take over the league in a few years depending on how the Spurs manage their roster. We had a play-in team make it to the finals who I believe we can beat if we get a guy like Lillard. We need to take advantage of this opportunity.

[Raps Next GM]

Why compete now with Pascal in his prime and a supporting cast?

The alternative is hoping Scottie becomes near what Pascal is in the future and pieces become available later on.

My issue is Lillard is 33 and being paid 50-60M for the next few years, and so not only does it limit how you can surround Lillard, but his window is only 2-3 years tops. Whereas Scottie has put up great numbers so far in his young career that are comparable to stars at the same age... I'd rather focus on sustainability then hope all the stars align in the next couple years, which I'm not confident will happen by replacing FVV, Scottie ++ with Dame.

the issue with waiting is the East is pretty wide open right now and Wembanyama and the Spurs could potentially take over the league in a few years depending on how the Spurs manage their roster. We had a play-in team make it to the finals who I believe we can beat if we get a guy like Lillard. We need to take advantage of this opportunity.

Boston, Milwaukee, Philly probably remain the top tier in the East. The Knicks, Heat, Hawks and even the improved Pacers are the next tier.
There may not be a clear cream of the crop in the conference but I would argue it’s deeper than it has been in quite some time. Adding Lillard puts us in that middle of the pack.
He can be that missing piece for other teams but we would still need more IMO.

[Raptors Realtor]

Why compete now with Pascal in his prime and a supporting cast?

The alternative is hoping Scottie becomes near what Pascal is in the future and pieces become available later on.

My issue is Lillard is 33 and being paid 50-60M for the next few years, and so not only does it limit how you can surround Lillard, but his window is only 2-3 years tops. Whereas Scottie has put up great numbers so far in his young career that are comparable to stars at the same age... I'd rather focus on sustainability then hope all the stars align in the next couple years, which I'm not confident will happen by replacing FVV, Scottie ++ with Dame.

the issue with waiting is the East is pretty wide open right now and Wembanyama and the Spurs could potentially take over the league in a few years depending on how the Spurs manage their roster. We had a play-in team make it to the finals who I believe we can beat if we get a guy like Lillard. We need to take advantage of this opportunity.

My thinking is we were a play-in team, and by replacing FVV, Barnes and whatever else for Dame doesn't catapult us into instant contender. Dame isn't prime Kawhi who can dominate on both ends, it's not like he can guard the other team's best player, and there'd be such a small window to win a championship, and if you don't win in the next 2-3 years, you can be sure you very likely don't have any chance of winning for the next decade at minimum... It would be dark times.