Trade/Free Agency Thread, part 7, 2023-24

[ryan in Maine]

It’s crazy how much taxes we have to pay in the US & there are always people demanding we pay more… Sorry Bernie, people are paying their fair share, if not more…

It's not crazy and rich people are not close to paying fairly into the system in the US. Nowhere close.

I'll never understand the desire to take a grenade for the 1%. It's like people lose their ability to reason with 7-figure numbers.

That's a super weird perspective. I don't want anyone to pay any income tax. How is that taking a grenade for super rich people? Losing 50% of your income to taxes is BS. Especially when our government isn't even capable of managing a McDonalds

Shak told me to knock it off, so I'm gonna knock it off. I'm happy to discuss the US tax system on the Current Affairs board with you guys.

Maybe JB wants his smax just to overcome his tax burden in Mass lol.

[zoyathedestroya]

@YossiGozlan: The Charlotte Hornets are currently projected to operate as an over-the-cap team with the $12.4M mid-level.

Miles Bridges returning on his qualifying offer opens up the possibility for the Hornets to generate $23M in cap space, but that's if they don't re-sign P.J. Washington.

Grant S&T possibility here if it's more than MLE?

[Shuttlesworth99]

That's a super weird perspective. I don't want anyone to pay any income tax. How is that taking a grenade for super rich people? Losing 50% of your income to taxes is BS. Especially when our government isn't even capable of managing a McDonalds

I think it should be noted - the escrow is paid to players at the end of the season I believe if the NBA hits a revenue target

I've never heard of that before. I remember KG talking about how ownership holds a % of the contract. Wonder how many times (aside from the COVID years) that it hasn't been paid out

Flat 10% of the annual salary.

It’s got to do with the players having to receive x% of revenue. As a way to protect the nba from players getting more than that %, they withhold it until the revenue figure has been confirmed. I think the players also get interest on top of it if the targets are met.

I think that’s the way it works.

[titlebound1]

really feels like we're just going to be saying a prayer and hoping we don't get hit with the injury bug. That's asking a real lot with Kristaps, Brogdon and Rob. Will be interesting to see how much Hauser / PP have improved. Brad really might just be confident in their development....but I'm not

[darrendaye]

@YossiGozlan: The Charlotte Hornets are currently projected to operate as an over-the-cap team with the $12.4M mid-level.

Miles Bridges returning on his qualifying offer opens up the possibility for the Hornets to generate $23M in cap space, but that's if they don't re-sign P.J. Washington.

Grant S&T possibility here if it's more than MLE?

That answers my question. But droppingdimes says Dallas on July 6th.

[zoyathedestroya]

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[titlebound1]

It's not crazy and rich people are not close to paying fairly into the system in the US. Nowhere close.

I'll never understand the desire to take a grenade for the 1%. It's like people lose their ability to reason with 7-figure numbers.

That's a super weird perspective. I don't want anyone to pay any income tax. How is that taking a grenade for super rich people? Losing 50% of your income to taxes is BS. Especially when our government isn't even capable of managing a McDonalds

Shak told me to knock it off, so I'm gonna knock it off. I'm happy to discuss the US tax system on the Current Affairs board with you guys.

Maybe JB wants his smax just to overcome his tax burden in Mass lol.

Hahah it's a good point

I didn't even know we had a current affairs board. Usually just bookmark the trade thread. I'll check it out

[titlebound1]

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Lol

[Hal14]

Raptors fans are crazy man haha.

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[titlebound1]

I think it should be noted - the escrow is paid to players at the end of the season I believe if the NBA hits a revenue target

I've never heard of that before. I remember KG talking about how ownership holds a % of the contract. Wonder how many times (aside from the COVID years) that it hasn't been paid out

Flat 10% of the annual salary.

It’s got to do with the players having to receive x% of revenue. As a way to protect the nba from players getting more than that %, they withhold it until the revenue figure has been confirmed. I think the players also get interest on top of it if the targets are met.

I think that’s the way it works.

Wow yeah I never knew that. Good info

[ryan in Maine]

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[zoyathedestroya]

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[aim2please]

@YossiGozlan: The Charlotte Hornets are currently projected to operate as an over-the-cap team with the $12.4M mid-level.

Miles Bridges returning on his qualifying offer opens up the possibility for the Hornets to generate $23M in cap space, but that's if they don't re-sign P.J. Washington.

Grant S&T possibility here if it's more than MLE?

Unless Celtics like the other Martin twin (before the injury he was the better twin), I don't see a matching salary on their roster that makes sense. My best guess is that IF they go after Grant, they're gonna renounce Washington and use their space on Grant.

[JR Hawks]

I think we desperately need a true starting level point guard, and it would appear that moving Brown or Brogdon+ are the only ways to get one.

Brogdon + Grant S & T would equal Harden's salary almost perfectly. Just saying

Brogdon averaged like 18/6/5 3 years in row lol pass first PG is the most overrated thing in the entire NBA..

Doesn't apply to the Celtics. This a team that has a demonstrated problem keeping the ball moving throughout the game and playing with pace late in the 4th. This team absolutely needs a PG that can step up and fix that. Smart couldn't and it got him traded.

[darrendaye]

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Ouch. Speculation of course, but I would guess the plan was to demote Smart to bench if it were Brogdon sent out. Think they wanted to start White regardless once Porzingis was the choice.

[zoyathedestroya]

@YossiGozlan: The Charlotte Hornets are currently projected to operate as an over-the-cap team with the $12.4M mid-level.

Miles Bridges returning on his qualifying offer opens up the possibility for the Hornets to generate $23M in cap space, but that's if they don't re-sign P.J. Washington.

Grant S&T possibility here if it's more than MLE?

Unless Celtics like the other Martin twin (before the injury he was the better twin), I don't see a matching salary on their roster that makes sense. My best guess is that IF they go after Grant, they're gonna renounce Washington and use their space for Grant.

Weird choice if they go Grant over Washington. Maybe some other team's making a wild offer for PJ (Spurs?). Do we generate a large TPE if Grant's S&T'd with no salary coming back? Can we even use it midseason?

[threrf23]

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The first two bullet points are disappointing if true and could hurt us significantly if that is what he has communicated to the team.

I'll excuse the first bullet point because things change and unexpected opportunities arise, but the second bullet point isn't cool at all. Hopefully just a situation where his agent caught wind of early negotiations and the team was in touch after they became serious.

[MSTRJMES]

Because theft is wrong even if it's someone else being ripped off

You're welcome to go live off the land if you don't want to contribute to society.

That's why we moved to Texas. It's been tremendous. Much healthier way to live

What a wild mindset. How much of Haliburton's contract do you believe Washington is entitled to? Taxation implies ownership. Does the government own our labor?

MUH FREEDOM!

[darrendaye]

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The first two bullet points are disappointing if true and could hurt us significantly if that is what he has communicated to the team.

I'll excuse the first bullet point because things change and unexpected opportunities arise, but the second bullet point isn't cool at all. Hopefully just a situation where his agent caught wind of early negotiations and the team was in touch after they became serious.

With how that trade went down, I would not hold that 2nd bullet point against them. Done with a rapidly ticking countdown clock.

[jfs1000d]

“There have been some whispers this week that the Cavaliers are more open to trading Jarrett Allen than advertised.”
- @TheSteinLine

(h/t @AmicoHoops)

Allen for Siakim..who says no?

Ill take Allen in Boston in a heartbeat.