The current depth chart

[eyriq]

The SL I want to see is Black, Suggs, Franz, Paolo, and WCJ. Hopefully, Suggs can stay healthy this season

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Eventually. Maybe. Would not be shocked if Fultz is just better than Black. Fultz has surprised me so much. If we want to make the playoffs no chance Black starts. Guards need 2-3 years to understand the NBA game.

Black's whole mantra is feel for the game and quick decision making. The way he can also hang in the air long enough to draw fouls may make him a good player quickly. Fultz doesn't draw fouls or shoot threes.

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This man knows ball!

[mattdelray1220]

Eventually. Maybe. Would not be shocked if Fultz is just better than Black. Fultz has surprised me so much. If we want to make the playoffs no chance Black starts. Guards need 2-3 years to understand the NBA game.

Black's whole mantra is feel for the game and quick decision making. The way he can also hang in the air long enough to draw fouls may make him a good player quickly. Fultz doesn't draw fouls or shoot threes.

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This man knows ball!

I am high on Black. He may be better than Markelle. I am just saying year 1 doubt it. How many guards come in and just dominate as a rookie? They are trying to make the playoffs. Fultz is one of the "veterans" of the team. No chance Ab gets the nod over him.

[basketballRob]

Black's whole mantra is feel for the game and quick decision making. The way he can also hang in the air long enough to draw fouls may make him a good player quickly. Fultz doesn't draw fouls or shoot threes.

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This man knows ball!

I am high on Black. He may be better than Markelle. I am just saying year 1 doubt it. How many guards come in and just dominate as a rookie? They are trying to make the playoffs. Fultz is one of the "veterans" of the team. No chance Ab gets the nod over him.

I'm curious if Black's defense is real. He's being billed as a top 3 defender in this draft.

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[JoshuaPotter]

This man knows ball!

I am high on Black. He may be better than Markelle. I am just saying year 1 doubt it. How many guards come in and just dominate as a rookie? They are trying to make the playoffs. Fultz is one of the "veterans" of the team. No chance Ab gets the nod over him.

I'm curious if Black's defense is real. He's being billed as a top 3 defender in this draft.

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Top 3 for his position or top 3 overall? Who is the other 2?

[basketballRob]

I am high on Black. He may be better than Markelle. I am just saying year 1 doubt it. How many guards come in and just dominate as a rookie? They are trying to make the playoffs. Fultz is one of the "veterans" of the team. No chance Ab gets the nod over him.

I'm curious if Black's defense is real. He's being billed as a top 3 defender in this draft.

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Top 3 for his position or top 3 overall? Who is the other 2?

I was just listening to Spinella, and he had Black, Walker, and I forget the other player as the top defenders in the draft. It's towards the end of the segment. Spinella had Black mocked #4, and Stone had Black #5 in the draft.

https://open.spotify.com/episode/2vxD8vfpBoyYbaj60cDF3i?si=nyEKzGOPQ2Wpf3g99WT8oQ

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[jayrehme]

I predict Black will shine sooner than later. He has a lot of weapons around him and more space to work with. He can play along with anyone and can defend multiple positions well, so shouldn't have an issue finding playing time.

[MagicFan101]

I'm curious if Black's defense is real. He's being billed as a top 3 defender in this draft.

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Top 3 for his position or top 3 overall? Who is the other 2?

I was just listening to Spinella, and he had Black, Walker, and I forget the other player as the top defenders in the draft. It's towards the end of the segment. Spinella had Black mocked #4, and Stone had Black #5 in the draft.

https://open.spotify.com/episode/2vxD8vfpBoyYbaj60cDF3i?si=nyEKzGOPQ2Wpf3g99WT8oQ

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If Black and Suggs can get their 3-pt shooting up to a DECENT clip … that would be a nightmare duo for opposing teams. Who wants to score on them?

Remembering that most of the offense will run through Paolo/Franz …

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Top 3 for his position or top 3 overall? Who is the other 2?

I was just listening to Spinella, and he had Black, Walker, and I forget the other player as the top defenders in the draft. It's towards the end of the segment. Spinella had Black mocked #4, and Stone had Black #5 in the draft.

https://open.spotify.com/episode/2vxD8vfpBoyYbaj60cDF3i?si=nyEKzGOPQ2Wpf3g99WT8oQ

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If Black and Suggs can get their 3-pt shooting up to a DECENT clip … that would be a nightmare duo for opposing teams. Who wants to score on them?

Remembering that most of the offense will run through Paolo/Franz …

This is ideally what I want to see. It would make Orlando an extremely tough team to score against and initiate offense in the backcourt.

[eyriq]

Black's whole mantra is feel for the game and quick decision making. The way he can also hang in the air long enough to draw fouls may make him a good player quickly. Fultz doesn't draw fouls or shoot threes.

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This man knows ball!

I am high on Black. He may be better than Markelle. I am just saying year 1 doubt it. How many guards come in and just dominate as a rookie? They are trying to make the playoffs. Fultz is one of the "veterans" of the team. No chance Ab gets the nod over him.

Interesting Fultz hype datapoint.

Fultz started 60 games and averaged 29.6 MPG, 14/4/6 with a 16.6 PER, 3.7 WS, 1.2 VORP, 0.5 BPM, 0.14 RPM.

Players that averaged the same or better than that stat line last season?

Jokic
Doncic
Giannis
Sabonis
Siakam
Jrue
FVV
Fox
Dejounte
Jamal
Giddey
Fultz

Rookie PG's to average the same or better? (since 1998)

Simmons
CP
Doncic
Francis
Tyreke

[MagicFan101]

I was just listening to Spinella, and he had Black, Walker, and I forget the other player as the top defenders in the draft. It's towards the end of the segment. Spinella had Black mocked #4, and Stone had Black #5 in the draft.

https://open.spotify.com/episode/2vxD8vfpBoyYbaj60cDF3i?si=nyEKzGOPQ2Wpf3g99WT8oQ

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If Black and Suggs can get their 3-pt shooting up to a DECENT clip … that would be a nightmare duo for opposing teams. Who wants to score on them?

Remembering that most of the offense will run through Paolo/Franz …

This is ideally what I want to see. It would make Orlando an extremely tough team to score against and initiate offense in the backcourt.

[basketballRob]

Spinella's exact quote on Black's defense. He was a top 3 defender with VW and Walker. Black was the best perimeter defender that's came through the draft in several years.

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[drsd]

How many guards come in and just dominate as a rookie?

About Zero.

Chris Braun just had one of the best rookie PG seasons ever in terms of "value" and "plus/minus". He took his time in the season to shine in the post-season. That's the upside here for a rookie PG.

For Black, expect a very, very rough start. But hope for a real light bulb to click in the post season where his play leads to some wins. That's the very best case scenario.

[eyriq]

How many guards come in and just dominate as a rookie?

About Zero.

Chris Braun just had one of the best rookie PG seasons ever in terms of "value" and "plus/minus". He took his time in the season to shine in the post-season. That's the upside here for a rookie PG.

For Black, expect a very, very rough start. But hope for a real light bulb to click in the post season where his play leads to some wins. That's the very best case scenario.

I can give you a list of rookie PG's that were arguably better than Cole is right now. This is 28 rookie PGs since 1998. This idea that it doesn't happen is just wrong.

Ben Simmons
Chris Paul
Kyrie Irving
Steve Francis
Brevin Knight
Damian Lillard
Dwyane Wade
Ja Morant
Stephen Curry
Trae Young
LaMelo Ball
Michael Carter-Williams
John Wall
Andre Miller
Ricky Rubio
Brandon Jennings
Derrick Rose
Isaiah Thomas
Russell Westbrook
Mario Chalmers
Gilbert Arenas
Kirk Hinrich
Tyrese Haliburton
Mike Bibby
Lonzo Ball
Victor Oladipo
Jason Williams
Jamaal Tinsley

[eyriq]

Put it this way, on average there is one rookie PG that comes out of the gate better than 3rd year Cole. We drafted the #1 PG in the NCAA. I like Black's chances, especially with that defense, FTr, playmaking, and IQ. I BELIEVE in BlackMagic.

[mattdelray1220]

Put it this way, on average there is one rookie PG that comes out of the gate better than 3rd year Cole. We drafted the #1 PG in the NCAA. I like Black's chances, especially with that defense, FTr, playmaking, and IQ. I BELIEVE in BlackMagic.

I believe in him too but he wont be better than Cole year 1. In my opinion. Also yeah he may be the best PG in NCAA but Scoot and Amen were taken over him. Team needs shooting and experience. Black doesnt have either yet. I do think year 2 or 3 he will be a better overall player than Cole. Prob Fultz too.

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It’s funny for how much people like to gas up Tyrese Halliburton as being one of the best young point guards today, people sure like to disregard minute distribution and make excuses for short term success over development.

Halliburton barely played behind anyone in Indiana after the Sabonis trade in his second year in the league. Now he’s one of the top valued assets.

Can’t wait to hear the excuses for these decisions when Black is playing behind two guys after either or both are extended.

[Skybox]

It’s funny for how much people like to gas up Tyrese Halliburton as being one of the best young point guards today, people sure like to disregard minute distribution and make excuses for short term success over development.

Halliburton barely played behind anyone in Indiana after the Sabonis trade in his second year in the league. Now he’s one of the top valued assets.

Can’t wait to hear the excuses for these decisions when Black is playing behind two guys after either or both are extended.

I'm just thrilled that Paolo wasn't backing up Mo Wagner all last season. Draft 'em high...throw 'em in the fire...it's what they want if they're winners. One step back, two steps forward...or, maybe no steps back.

[basketballRob]

I think Black will look better as a rookie than Cole or Suggs. Guards have a tendency to go too fast as rookies. Black plays at his own pace.

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It’s funny for how much people like to gas up Tyrese Halliburton as being one of the best young point guards today, people sure like to disregard minute distribution and make excuses for short term success over development.

Halliburton barely played behind anyone in Indiana after the Sabonis trade in his second year in the league. Now he’s one of the top valued assets.

Can’t wait to hear the excuses for these decisions when Black is playing behind two guys after either or both are extended.

I'm just thrilled that Paolo wasn't backing up Mo Wagner all last season. Draft 'em high...throw 'em in the fire...it's what they want if they're winners. One step back, two steps forward...or, maybe no steps back.

I’m actually surprised Paolo wasn’t backing up Okeke for his rookie season with how this organization operates.

[pepe1991]

It’s funny for how much people like to gas up Tyrese Halliburton as being one of the best young point guards today, people sure like to disregard minute distribution and make excuses for short term success over development.

Halliburton barely played behind anyone in Indiana after the Sabonis trade in his second year in the league. Now he’s one of the top valued assets.

Can’t wait to hear the excuses for these decisions when Black is playing behind two guys after either or both are extended.

To be fair, Haliburton was elite rookie. Guy averaged 13-5-3 on 59% TS and positive impact.
In second year, prior trade, he got even better, playing SG. Than he got role as PG and averaged 9,4 apg in 36 mpg, while holding his shooting splits on 50-40-85. As sophmore.

Guy just finished his just third season. Allstar, potentially best passer since Chris Paul and Steve Nash.



During his first 5 games ever ,he racked 22 assists on 4 turnovers on 10/20 for 3. ( in those 5 games, Kings beat Nuggets, Nuggets and Suns so it's not like he was pissing over 20 wins teams )