2022-2023 Magic Trade and Free Agency Idea Thread III

[Knightro]

I'm certainly not a Fultz fan, but I'd rather blast myself in the balls than ever bring Evan Fournier back

[The Effect]

My trade ideas:

Fultz,Cole,Chuma,Gary, 2024 first, 2025 first, Den pick for Garland + Rubio

Gary,Chuma, Den pick for Hield

Gary,Cole, Den pick for Norman Powell

Isaac,Fultz,Suggs,Cole,Chuma,2024 first,2025 first,Den pick for Edwards,Gobert

Isaac,Cole,Bol,Gary,2024 first, Den pick for Harden

Cole,Gary,Okeke, 2024 first, Den pick for Simons

Gary,Cole, Den pick for Trent

Gary, 2024 first, Den pick for Clarkson

If the Blazers is going to break up the band and move on from Lillard, then Portland will also want to unload salary and get as many young assets as possible. All of the sudden, this looks like a great trade idea (again; rehash and re-rinsed).

I love the idea of G-Harris, Anthony, and Okeke for Simons. In addition to the key goal of allowing the Magic to retain Bol, a very clear depth chart forms.

Fultz/Black
Simons/Suggs/Howard/Houstan
F-Wagner/Ingles/Bol
Banchero/Isaac
Carter/M-Wagner/Bitadze

I LOVE that roster for the 2023/24 season. LOVE LOVE LOVE


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How are the Blazers going to break up a day after they just signed Jerami Grant to a 5/160. Portland has been perfectly happy with the 6th seed for so long and in an ironic twist, Dame wants out and they are still stuck. Its not the worst spot, since they did just draft Scoot, but they can't exactly build around him either.

I don't know what in the hell they were thinking but clearly everybody wasn't on the same page. You would think you would figure out what exactly Lillard wanted before they committed 160M

As for the Magic I think they are committed to Suggs for at least for one more year. And by committed i mean they think he can be a long term starter...now he is still in the same spot next summer, then we will have to rethink his future role, which should still be a rotation player.

I agree, can't see them blowing it up, and honestly I think the blazers are going to be better than people assume after they trade dame
Say they trade him to Miami for Herro and fillers
They can line up day one with

C - nurkic (still better than people give him credit for)
Pf - grant
Sf - Sharpe (maybe the most likely Breakout superstar next year)
Sg - Simons
Pg - scoot

With Herro playing that scoring superstar 6th man role. Would surprise me if they are a play-in team next year

[The Effect]

Anyone wanting to bring back Fournier is lazy and going with what they know from the past because they don't want anything new

[Knightro]

I agree, can't see them blowing it up, and honestly I think the blazers are going to be better than people assume after they trade dame
Say they trade him to Miami for Herro and fillers
They can line up day one with

C - nurkic (still better than people give him credit for)
Pf - grant
Sf - Sharpe (maybe the most likely Breakout superstar next year)
Sg - Simons
Pg - scoot

With Herro playing that scoring superstar 6th man role. Would surprise me if they are a play-in team next year

That team is really bad. One of the worst in the West. 30 wins MAX.

And it doesn't sound like they want Herro either.

[RookieStar]

yeah, but that was a long long time ago

IS he that broken down that he lost more than a step? I recalled last season he was defending the opponents best guard when Suggs wasn't in.

I was about to say. He did well from what I remembered. Lol. He's never been a stat stuffer in that department... He contains his man.... Kind of like a SG version of Wendell. Doesn't blow the stat sheets away... But he does great on that side of the floor. Nothing flashy about him at all. He's a great player still ... But based on the schemes that were implemented this season.... He did not get as much opportunities that would allow us to look back at and be impressed. If he took 2- 3 more threes.... We wouldn't be really discussing trading him.

That the thing with Gary. I don't know of he is a reluctant shooter or what but he never takes a lot of 3s.

[RookieStar]

I agree, can't see them blowing it up, and honestly I think the blazers are going to be better than people assume after they trade dame
Say they trade him to Miami for Herro and fillers
They can line up day one with

C - nurkic (still better than people give him credit for)
Pf - grant
Sf - Sharpe (maybe the most likely Breakout superstar next year)
Sg - Simons
Pg - scoot

With Herro playing that scoring superstar 6th man role. Would surprise me if they are a play-in team next year

That team is really bad. One of the worst in the West. 30 wins MAX.

And it doesn't sound like they want Herro either.

That is a tanking team lineup no doubt. Maybe they grow organically... who knows.

[basketballRob]

I agree, can't see them blowing it up, and honestly I think the blazers are going to be better than people assume after they trade dame
Say they trade him to Miami for Herro and fillers
They can line up day one with

C - nurkic (still better than people give him credit for)
Pf - grant
Sf - Sharpe (maybe the most likely Breakout superstar next year)
Sg - Simons
Pg - scoot

With Herro playing that scoring superstar 6th man role. Would surprise me if they are a play-in team next year

That team is really bad. One of the worst in the West. 30 wins MAX.

And it doesn't sound like they want Herro either.

They lose their pick if it's outside the lottery.

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[AaronB]

It won't be.

Portland is now receiving the results of "rest your stars" tanking the last 2 seasons.

Yes, they got good draft choices, but now their star wants to leave.

Frankly, I think that they are a 30 win team with or without DL.

[jonbob17]

I agree, can't see them blowing it up, and honestly I think the blazers are going to be better than people assume after they trade dame
Say they trade him to Miami for Herro and fillers
They can line up day one with

C - nurkic (still better than people give him credit for)
Pf - grant
Sf - Sharpe (maybe the most likely Breakout superstar next year)
Sg - Simons
Pg - scoot

With Herro playing that scoring superstar 6th man role. Would surprise me if they are a play-in team next year

That team is really bad. One of the worst in the West. 30 wins MAX.

And it doesn't sound like they want Herro either.

That is a tanking team lineup no doubt. Maybe they grow organically... who knows.

It’s a bad team, but they would also be taking back close to $50M in salaries, and want some sort of talent in exchange for Dame. So they’d be better than the rag tag lineup above. Still not good…but not horrible either…assuming Sxoot isn’t a total disaster as a rookie.

[basketballRob]

We still have around $5.5m in cap space, $15m if Isaac was waived. If Isaac gets injured early on, I could see us trading him to a team wanting cap relief. We could trade him for a player that makes $22m or less, and then they could waive him and only pay $7.4m.

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[tiderulz]

We still have around $5.5m in cap space, $15m if Isaac was waived. If Isaac gets injured early on, I could see us trading him to a team wanting cap relief. We could trade him for a player that makes $22m or less, and then they could waive him and only pay $7.4m.

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understood

[Skybox]

Isaac’s waive-by date is Jan 10…way before the TD, but far enough in that our FO might have a clearer vision of what we have in our guard rotation. Hopefully, they’ll have the guts to be decisive and choose a path by then…we all want to start seriously competing this season, but our present roster still reads like open tryouts (not a sensible rotation)…3 players have a legit claim to believe they are the best PG…that’s really not a way to win games. We’re getting to the point that “addition by subtraction” is real…doesn’t mean you don’t believe in a guy, but you can’t choose them all…it makes for a bad on-court product & locker room.

It’s what we had a few years ago…lots of young talent, fighting for their piece of the pie. Every morning, I’m reading that Oladipo or Evan or Tobias or Vuc or Harkless, etc had THEIR own career night (in a loss) but we sucked as a team. Oladipo recounted this exact scene after he got to OKC. The young lions were competing with one another…not the other team.

[basketballRob]

Goga, Fultz, Okeke, Harris, and next year's pick for Nurkic and Simons.

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[MartinsIzAfraud]

Isaac’s waive-by date is Jan 10…way before the TD, but far enough in that our FO might have a clearer vision of what we have in our guard rotation. Hopefully, they’ll have the guts to be decisive and choose a path by then…we all want to start seriously competing this season, but our present roster still reads like open tryouts (not a sensible rotation)…3 players have a legit claim to believe they are the best PG…that’s really not a way to win games. We’re getting to the point that “addition by subtraction” is real…doesn’t mean you don’t believe in a guy, but you can’t choose them all…it makes for a bad on-court product & locker room.

It’s what we had a few years ago…lots of young talent, fighting for their piece of the pie. Every morning, I’m reading that Oladipo or Evan or Tobias or Vuc or Harkless, etc had THEIR own career night (in a loss) but we sucked as a team. Oladipo recounted this exact scene after he got to OKC. The young lions were competing with one another…not the other team.

0 chance Isaac gets waived before his date. This FO has been so patient even though anyone with a brain knows what the end result is.

[mattdelray1220]

Isaac’s waive-by date is Jan 10…way before the TD, but far enough in that our FO might have a clearer vision of what we have in our guard rotation. Hopefully, they’ll have the guts to be decisive and choose a path by then…we all want to start seriously competing this season, but our present roster still reads like open tryouts (not a sensible rotation)…3 players have a legit claim to believe they are the best PG…that’s really not a way to win games. We’re getting to the point that “addition by subtraction” is real…doesn’t mean you don’t believe in a guy, but you can’t choose them all…it makes for a bad on-court product & locker room.

It’s what we had a few years ago…lots of young talent, fighting for their piece of the pie. Every morning, I’m reading that Oladipo or Evan or Tobias or Vuc or Harkless, etc had THEIR own career night (in a loss) but we sucked as a team. Oladipo recounted this exact scene after he got to OKC. The young lions were competing with one another…not the other team.

0 chance Isaac gets waived before his date. This FO has been so patient even though anyone with a brain knows what the end result is.

The issue is that JI is worth the patience. The FO knows that. If he is healthy he is a top 10-20 defender in the NBA. I am not saying it's going to happen but I mean if hes healthy and 20-25 off the bench. The what if is what is keeping the FO patient. Could be a mistake but not too many other options. This is his last chance though with the Magic.

[tiderulz]

Isaac’s waive-by date is Jan 10…way before the TD, but far enough in that our FO might have a clearer vision of what we have in our guard rotation. Hopefully, they’ll have the guts to be decisive and choose a path by then…we all want to start seriously competing this season, but our present roster still reads like open tryouts (not a sensible rotation)…3 players have a legit claim to believe they are the best PG…that’s really not a way to win games. We’re getting to the point that “addition by subtraction” is real…doesn’t mean you don’t believe in a guy, but you can’t choose them all…it makes for a bad on-court product & locker room.

It’s what we had a few years ago…lots of young talent, fighting for their piece of the pie. Every morning, I’m reading that Oladipo or Evan or Tobias or Vuc or Harkless, etc had THEIR own career night (in a loss) but we sucked as a team. Oladipo recounted this exact scene after he got to OKC. The young lions were competing with one another…not the other team.

0 chance Isaac gets waived before his date. This FO has been so patient even though anyone with a brain knows what the end result is.

The issue is that JI is worth the patience. The FO knows that. If he is healthy he is a top 10-20 defender in the NBA. I am not saying it's going to happen but I mean if hes healthy and 20-25 off the bench. The what if is what is keeping the FO patient. Could be a mistake but not too many other options. This is his last chance though with the Magic.

is he? or is he too broken to play more than 10 mpg for 20 games before he breaks down again?

[The Effect]

Isaac’s waive-by date is Jan 10…way before the TD, but far enough in that our FO might have a clearer vision of what we have in our guard rotation. Hopefully, they’ll have the guts to be decisive and choose a path by then…we all want to start seriously competing this season, but our present roster still reads like open tryouts (not a sensible rotation)…3 players have a legit claim to believe they are the best PG…that’s really not a way to win games. We’re getting to the point that “addition by subtraction” is real…doesn’t mean you don’t believe in a guy, but you can’t choose them all…it makes for a bad on-court product & locker room.

It’s what we had a few years ago…lots of young talent, fighting for their piece of the pie. Every morning, I’m reading that Oladipo or Evan or Tobias or Vuc or Harkless, etc had THEIR own career night (in a loss) but we sucked as a team. Oladipo recounted this exact scene after he got to OKC. The young lions were competing with one another…not the other team.

0 chance Isaac gets waived before his date. This FO has been so patient even though anyone with a brain knows what the end result is.

The issue is that JI is worth the patience. The FO knows that. If he is healthy he is a top 10-20 defender in the NBA. I am not saying it's going to happen but I mean if hes healthy and 20-25 off the bench. The what if is what is keeping the FO patient. Could be a mistake but not too many other options. This is his last chance though with the Magic.

He MIGHT of been worth it 3 years ago, but today he's not

Today he's guy who's played 13 games since the calendar hit jan 1st, 2020 and has had multiple injuries since then

Sorry but this guy needs to go and anyone looking at the situation logically can see that. Some people want to keep him on the off chance that he stays healthy for a full season because they are still expecting the same level player they expected back in 2018, but at this point, even if he stays healthy he's a backup on every team in the league, and yet he's a backup here as well but unfortunately he's our highest paid player

This year that money could of gone to bringing in someone who could of actually made a difference

To put it another way, hypothetically say we cut him before free agency, would ANY TEAM of signed him for the 17m he's going to make next season? Hell would any team even be willing to give him a multi-year deal that equals 17m? Unless it's a 4 year, I can't imagine a team signing him for that kinda money, and yet people here are perfectly ok with keeping him for that money... Because of the "what if"

[jayrehme]

Well, Isaac should be well rested....

[drsd]

Well, Isaac should be well rested....

To quote pepe, Franz Wagner has more NBA experience than Jonathan Isaac.

But here's another stat: Banchero has scored more total points in the NBA than Isaac.

[Airgordon00]

What’s everyone’s thoughts on Jaylen Brown? If Dame says he is ok with going to Boston, we could be a great 3rd team to take Jaylen Brown on. I think our assets would be more desirable to Portland than Miami’s.

Magic in: Jaylen Brown and Malcom Brogdon.

Celtics in: Damian Lillard

Trailblazers in: Jalen Suggs, Cole Anthony, Jonathan Isaac, Gary Harris, Chuma Okeke, Boston 1st, Magic 3 firsts with protections.

Fultz, Black, F/A vet
Brown, Brogdon, Harris
Wagner, Howard, Houstan
Paolo, Ingles, Bol
Carter, M. Wagner, Bitzade

You have a really great young big 3 that can grow together. I think the bench could be really solid with Brogdon and Ingles leading the way. Plus we won’t have to worry about Cole’ Extension and if Suggs could be a reliable undersized Sg. I know Brown had a bad playoff run but I still think he is a damn good player.

Thoughts?