Miami Heat Offseason Thread 7.0: 3ammy vs Cronin, Winner Takes Dame!!

[Daffy]

I agree, they’ll cave eventually

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If teams are trying to take advantage of our situation… then if I were Pat, I would pivot back to Portland and say, the offer is Herro and 2 FRP + fillers, and y’all figure out what is the best value you can get for Herro later when the smoke settles.

Fact is, Dame wants to come here, Portland have a bunch of young players seeing how they treat their franchise player after extended loyalty was shown, and they are actively nuking the best deal we can give them which makes others team smell blood in the water. Portland is tanking this deal and making it worse not better through their actions.

And that would be Pat nuking the deal completely on his end. As pissed as Pat may be right now he has to keep smile on and try until he acquires Dame. After he acquires him he can then call Cronin a MF'er.

[SoFlaKingReal]

Because JJJ signed. Just saying, that JJJ signing doesn’t mean he won’t be in the Dame deal.

I think Portland asking for JJJ and dragging a massive deal out 30 days seems like a stretch at this point.

JJJ is an older player, he's already 22 and drafted to be a ready to contribute player, not a guy with a ton of potential that hasn't been realized yet. I expect Portland wasn't too interested in him so Miami signed him and moved forward with him although there's always the chance that Miami signed him to tell Portland this can't happen for 30 days so if you want him you have to wait to make the trade.

I agree 100%, but if JJJ isn't in the lineup tonight, then we'll know something is up.

[Spacely]

Trade can't be finalized for a month, but JJJ's contract can now be used in a deal.

And why can’t a trade be finalized for a month?

Because JJJ signed. Just saying, that JJJ signing doesn’t mean he won’t be in the Dame deal.

Dude nobody is waiting a month for a mid lotto pick lol

[SoFlaKingReal]

And why can’t a trade be finalized for a month?

Because JJJ signed. Just saying, that JJJ signing doesn’t mean he won’t be in the Dame deal.

Dude nobody is waiting a month for a mid lotto pick lol

Never said they would. Just looking forward to see who is in the lineup tonight and if thats a tell about the progress of the Dame negotiations.

[Daffy]

That only works if one goes full Ben Simmons, look at him now and the consequences of his actions. Also you are neglecting that the risk reward justifies the move for many teams. If what we are offering is seen as trash by many around the league, it doesnt take much or any real effort to beat that by many teams. The Jazz could easily go for it with the armada of picks they have. The comic irony of getting a better player than Donovan for a fraction of a price to team up with Markkanaen. Oh and the icing on the cake is it bleep Pat. Yeah he is really going to pass up that opportunity lol. The 76ers and the Clippers can offer a ton of expiring and just out of spite the Blazers owner could make those moves. Look like we have reaches the point where it's at a personal level, the ok im going to Bleep you back for this betrayal. Thats where logic and common sense leave the room and petty grudges rule supreme.

Let's just see. There are too many examples to count that didn't require where a superstar doesn't go full Ben Simmons and still gets their way. Too many posters only see the economic transactions and don't understand that soft power (goes beyond what is written in the contract) and human dynamics impact this as much as anything else.

I remember when many were guaranteeing Dame wouldn't ask out. Guaranteeing Dame wouldn't specify his destination. Guaranteeing BKN would outbid Miami.

Power and leverage exist in more places than simply what is written in a contract.

Soft power means squat here if we are being honest. Portland is not a hot free agent destination. How they treat Dame won't have any impact on future free agents. Does anyone honestly think player X 5 years from today will be like " oh no I wont go to Portland because of what they did to Dame" Under different locations and situations one can make an argument, not a good one but an argument for "soft power" this is not one of those situations.



At the end of the day this is the owner of the Blazers. Do you honestly think she give a rats ass about what Dame wants, especially after she perceives him to betray the team as a traitor. If one has ever dealt with a Karen in real life you know where this is going. She is the one that will decide when this is over unfortunately for us. It wont be hard to get Portland to treat Dame and his family worse that Vince Carter if he does really sit out. If Dame has any common sense left he sells his house and moves his family asap.

If I remember correctly at one point she kind of turned Dame's opinions down in a meeting or for a meeting about changes/decisions the franchise should make. Don't quote me on that though. I'll see if I can dig it up on Google. If it is true then she definitely doesn't have that connection to Dame.

[3ammy3uck3ts]

I've never seen opposing fans and media hate so hard on a player trying to land on a team since '10. Won't even count Durant/GSW as that's pretty warranted, a top 2 player joining a 73-win team is ludicrous.

However, just a month ago Heat were being called frauds, Cinderella story turned pumpkins blah blah blah and now all of sudden you'd think MJ in his prime was demanding to go to Lakers with Magic and old man Kareem and Worthy. It's hilarious

It’s honestly hilarious. Beal joins Booker KD and Ayton for peanuts and they sign a **** ton of good role players and not a word, Harden rumored to be going to the Clippers and everyone’s hyping up how awesome that big 3 may be but let the 8th seed that was 3 minutes away from missing the playoffs get Dame and all hell breaks loose

[Spacely]

Because JJJ signed. Just saying, that JJJ signing doesn’t mean he won’t be in the Dame deal.

Dude nobody is waiting a month for a mid lotto pick lol

Never said they would. Just looking forward to see who is in the lineup tonight and if thats a tell about the progress of the Dame negotiations.

Imagine JJJ and Jovic ball out tonight and all of a sudden Portland wants them lol

[Rapaz]

It’s 8 am in portland, gotta think cronins in his pjs having Cinnamon Toast Crunch and gonna call Riley shortly to negotiate the deal

I like you. This shows not all Heat fans are degenerates who think I spend my life jizzing into potted plants.

Leave that rhaphidophora tetrasperma ( yes that’s a real plant lol) in the office alone

[Shewasfly]

On topic of why trade value for Herro is so low, yes it was absolutely the Heat fan base who were the leaders in ruining it.

Ugly Twitter influencers and paid fans for Bam for whatever reason took the position that hating relentlessly on Herro was going to prop Bam up, so they started that train. A lot of other Heat fans, who previously had no issue with Herro but unfortunately can’t think for themselves and wanted to be cool for Internet points from those same influencers/paid fans, took up the same cause and absolutely tanked his value. The final nail in the coffin was Herro breaking his hand and the team going on a finals run without him in the lineup.

It’s funny watching the same ppl who spent all this time **** on him suddenly reversing face and talking him up to get him in the trade for Lilliard. At least stay consistent and continue following the orders of the Twitter influencer who gave you your opinion on the first place lol. I think we get Dame anyway eventually, just at a significantly higher price of our own (fan base’s) doing. So may as well stand on your idiotic square.

[twix2500]

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Don't underestimate how social media effect these young GMs. Social media strongly effects media and entertainment decisions, right or wrong.

[3ammy3uck3ts]

On topic of why trade value for Herro is so low, yes it was absolutely the Heat fan base who were the leaders in ruining it.

Ugly Twitter influencers and paid fans for Bam for whatever reason took the position that hating relentlessly on Herro was going to prop Bam up, so they started that train. A lot of other Heat fans, who previously had no issue with Herro but unfortunately can’t think for themselves and wanted to be cool for Internet points from those same influencers/paid fans, took up the same cause an absolutely tanked his value. The final nail in the coffin was Herro breaking his hand and the team going on a finals run without him in the lineup.

It’s funny watching the same ppl who spent all this time **** on him suddenly reversing face and talking him up to get him in the trade for Lilliard. At least stay consistent and continue following the orders of the Twitter influencer who gave you your opinion on the first place lol. I think we get Dame anyway eventually, just at a significantly higher price of our own (fan base’s) doing. So may as well stand on your idiotic square.

I’m not surprised at all that this is your line of thinking

[3ammy3uck3ts]

Thanks for reminding me tho, that direct deposit for June from Bam still hasn’t hit my account! I’ll reach out to him

[MettaWorldPanda]

Spurs involvement in this deal i have to assume is taking on player or players from either BK or Miami in order to facilitate this deal. Blazers could just deal Nurkic for Collins and Birch directly if they wanted to do a salary dump with him.

[3ammy3uck3ts]

And why can’t a trade be finalized for a month?

Because JJJ signed. Just saying, that JJJ signing doesn’t mean he won’t be in the Dame deal.

Dude nobody is waiting a month for a mid lotto pick lol

Lotto is 1-14 brother!

[AirP.]

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What's being lost in this is why would Lillard do this unless he's been given strong hints or was told that this was on the table for him sometime before his latest contract was signed, I highly doubt he's completely ignoring the franchise he's been loyal to for his own benefit.

Then why not just get a NTC.

Really, nobody should ever get a NTC, Giannis, Embiid, Jovic or S.Curry don't have a NTC.

[MiamiLoyal926]

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If teams are trying to take advantage of our situation… then if I were Pat, I would pivot back to Portland and say, the offer is Herro and 2 FRP + fillers, and y’all figure out what is the best value you can get for Herro later when the smoke settles.

Fact is, Dame wants to come here, Portland have a bunch of young players seeing how they treat their franchise player after extended loyalty was shown, and they are actively nuking the best deal we can give them which makes others team smell blood in the water. Portland is tanking this deal and making it worse not better through their actions.

And that would be Pat nuking the deal completely on his end. As pissed as Pat may be right now he has to keep smile on and try until he acquires Dame. After he acquires him he can then call Cronin a MF'er.

So… we should be giving assets instead of taking assets in a Herro deal?

If that’s the case… don’t trade Herro if he isn’t netting you anything positive.

[3ammy3uck3ts]

So we’re looking at a 4 teamer, Miami SA BKN and Portland, maybe even 5 with OKC. Im really curious to see who we get back with Dame. It won’t be just Dame because that’ll leave us with like 10 guys on the roster. I’m expecting 1, maybe 2 guys coming back and we’ll make 3 FA signings and be done.

[Daffy]

Spurs involvement in this deal i have to assume is taking on player or players from either BK or Miami in order to facilitate this deal. Blazers could just deal Nurkic for Collins and Birch directly if they wanted to do a salary dump with him.

There's a rumored deal out there with the Spurs?

[MettaWorldPanda]

So we’re looking at a 4 teamer, Miami SA BKN and Portland, maybe even 5 with OKC. Im really curious to see who we get back with Dame. It won’t be just Dame because that’ll leave us with like 10 guys on the roster. I’m expecting 1, maybe 2 guys coming back and we’ll make 3 FA signings and be done.

It’s Dame and nobody that’s going to hurt the long term cap.

[greg4012]

That only works if one goes full Ben Simmons, look at him now and the consequences of his actions. Also you are neglecting that the risk reward justifies the move for many teams. If what we are offering is seen as trash by many around the league, it doesnt take much or any real effort to beat that by many teams. The Jazz could easily go for it with the armada of picks they have. The comic irony of getting a better player than Donovan for a fraction of a price to team up with Markkanaen. Oh and the icing on the cake is it bleep Pat. Yeah he is really going to pass up that opportunity lol. The 76ers and the Clippers can offer a ton of expiring and just out of spite the Blazers owner could make those moves. Look like we have reaches the point where it's at a personal level, the ok im going to Bleep you back for this betrayal. Thats where logic and common sense leave the room and petty grudges rule supreme.

Let's just see. There are too many examples to count that didn't require where a superstar doesn't go full Ben Simmons and still gets their way. Too many posters only see the economic transactions and don't understand that soft power (goes beyond what is written in the contract) and human dynamics impact this as much as anything else.

I remember when many were guaranteeing Dame wouldn't ask out. Guaranteeing Dame wouldn't specify his destination. Guaranteeing BKN would outbid Miami.

Power and leverage exist in more places than simply what is written in a contract.

Soft power means squat here if we are being honest. Portland is not a hot free agent destination. How they treat Dame won't have any impact on future free agents. Does anyone honestly think player X 5 years from today will be like " oh no I wont go to Portland because of what they did to Dame" Under different locations and situations one can make an argument, not a good one but an argument for "soft power" this is not one of those situations.



At the end of the day this is the owner of the Blazers. Do you honestly think she give a rats ass about what Dame wants, especially after she perceives him to betray the team as a traitor. If one has ever dealt with a Karen in real life you know where this is going. She is the one that will decide when this is over unfortunately for us. It wont be hard to get Portland to treat Dame and his family worse that Vince Carter if he does really sit out. If Dame has any common sense left he sells his house and moves his family asap.

Let's let it play out. There's downside to dissect and be weary of, but downside is not the sole defining element. Hopefully we learn from whatever transpires rather than paint it as another anomaly if it doesn't fit preconceived notions.