Breaking: Obi toppin traded to indiana

[TrueWarrior]

Obi can easily put up 16 and 8 if given the PT and the usage. A lot of NBA players can.

The question is whether this production will lead to impact. It always has been the question mark.

And everything he doesn't do (well) factors into impact, as do the few things that he does well.

If he's a starter for Indiana, he'll need to play better defense and/or either space the floor better or be more effective as the roll man.

I personally don't think he'll be impactful as a starter, but have no concerns about sheer production.

FWIW in the games Obi started at the end of the last two seasons where he went off, the team’s record was 8-5. 21/6/3 on 70% TS% as a starter. Maybe that was meaningless to some people, but it’s all the data we have and it’s still a good thing that he balled out with the team mostly winning when he played more. It’d be used against him for sure if he struggled and they lost. This season Obi, Quickley, and Grimes were going off, then your boy RJ came back the last 2 games and they lost those lol.

Obi made a positive overall impact both times he was in the playoffs too, especially against Cleveland and their “great” front line. He was very solid all series, but stepped up and helped close game 5, after Julius was benched, with good defense and rebounding, and then obviously buried them in game 6 with his 12 point 3rd quarter after Julius got hurt.

He wasnt as good against Miami, besides a few games. Started game 1 putting up 18/8 and was the starter with the best +/-, and he sparked the game 5 2nd quarter run after Julius looked dead. Nobody was as effective against Miami besides Brunson really, which is why we lost the series and they went to the finals. His overall RAPTOR in the playoffs was positive and way better than Julius and RJ.

So yeah we’ll see how he does in Indy, but he doesnt have to be the man there or anything. They have nice complementary pieces around him that should cover up some weaknesses (shot creation on offense and rim protection on defense to name a few). I expect him to play well in his role and the Pacers to be around .500.

[Chanel Bomber]

Obi can easily put up 16 and 8 if given the PT and the usage. A lot of NBA players can.

The question is whether this production will lead to impact. It always has been the question mark.

And everything he doesn't do (well) factors into impact, as do the few things that he does well.

If he's a starter for Indiana, he'll need to play better defense and/or either space the floor better or be more effective as the roll man.

I personally don't think he'll be impactful as a starter, but have no concerns about sheer production.

FWIW in the games Obi started at the end of the last two seasons where he went off, the team’s record was 8-5. 21/6/3 on 70% TS% as a starter. Maybe that was meaningless to some people, but it’s all the data we have and it’s still a good thing that he balled out with the team mostly winning when he played more. It’d be used against him for sure if he struggled and they lost. This season Obi, Quickley, and Grimes were going off, then your boy RJ came back the last 2 games and they lost those lol.

Obi made a positive overall impact both times he was in the playoffs too, especially against Cleveland and their “great” front line. He was very solid all series, but stepped up and helped close game 5, after Julius was benched, with good defense and rebounding, and then obviously buried them in game 6 with his 12 point 3rd quarter after Julius got hurt.

He wasnt as good against Miami, besides a few games. Started game 1 putting up 18/8 and was the starter with the best +/-, and he sparked the game 5 2nd quarter run after Julius looked dead. Nobody was as effective against Miami besides Brunson really, which is why we lost the series and they went to the finals. His overall RAPTOR in the playoffs was positive and way better than Julius and RJ.

So yeah we’ll see how he does in Indy, but he doesnt have to be the man there or anything. They have nice complementary pieces around him that should cover up some weaknesses (shot creation on offense and rim protection on defense to name a few). I expect him to play well in his role and the Pacers to be around .500.

Thanks for the thoughtful reply.

Couple things:

Obi's RAPTOR must be seen through the lens of his role, which was a backup (even in the playoffs). We know he's impactful off the bench, and RAPTOR captures that. That doesn't mean it translates to a starter role. A change of role would've likely tanked his RAPTOR.

I don't put much stock in the last 10 games of the regular season. This is not about just Obi. A lot of teams essentially stop playing, which always opens the door for guys to put up big numbers. I don't find those numbers to be meaningful or reliable to be honest.

Obi isn't a scrub. He's a rotation player in the NBA and an impactful backup. We'll see how he plays in Indiana if he starts. Carlisle might not tolerate his defensive lapses and his tendency to hunt highlight plays either. It's his time to show he can start, and be impactful when thrust into that role.

[K_ick_God]

rick carlisle looks like a very strict HC...if obi can not master the defensive rotations and always loses his man, he is going to be languishing at the bench

Like how Thibs punishes Randle for poor defense?

[TrueWarrior]

Obi can easily put up 16 and 8 if given the PT and the usage. A lot of NBA players can.

The question is whether this production will lead to impact. It always has been the question mark.

And everything he doesn't do (well) factors into impact, as do the few things that he does well.

If he's a starter for Indiana, he'll need to play better defense and/or either space the floor better or be more effective as the roll man.

I personally don't think he'll be impactful as a starter, but have no concerns about sheer production.

FWIW in the games Obi started at the end of the last two seasons where he went off, the team’s record was 8-5. 21/6/3 on 70% TS% as a starter. Maybe that was meaningless to some people, but it’s all the data we have and it’s still a good thing that he balled out with the team mostly winning when he played more. It’d be used against him for sure if he struggled and they lost. This season Obi, Quickley, and Grimes were going off, then your boy RJ came back the last 2 games and they lost those lol.

Obi made a positive overall impact both times he was in the playoffs too, especially against Cleveland and their “great” front line. He was very solid all series, but stepped up and helped close game 5, after Julius was benched, with good defense and rebounding, and then obviously buried them in game 6 with his 12 point 3rd quarter after Julius got hurt.

He wasnt as good against Miami, besides a few games. Started game 1 putting up 18/8 and was the starter with the best +/-, and he sparked the game 5 2nd quarter run after Julius looked dead. Nobody was as effective against Miami besides Brunson really, which is why we lost the series and they went to the finals. His overall RAPTOR in the playoffs was positive and way better than Julius and RJ.

So yeah we’ll see how he does in Indy, but he doesnt have to be the man there or anything. They have nice complementary pieces around him that should cover up some weaknesses (shot creation on offense and rim protection on defense to name a few). I expect him to play well in his role and the Pacers to be around .500.

Thanks for the thoughtful reply.

Couple things:

Obi's RAPTOR must be seen through the lens of his role, which was a backup (even in the playoffs). We know he's impactful off the bench, and RAPTOR captures that. That doesn't mean it translates to a starter role. A change of role would've likely tanked his RAPTOR.

I don't put much stock in the last 10 games of the regular season. This is not about just Obi. A lot of teams essentially stop playing, which always opens the door for guys to put up big numbers. I don't find those numbers to be meaningful or reliable to be honest.

Obi isn't a scrub. He's a rotation player in the NBA and an impactful backup. We'll see how he plays in Indiana if he starts. Carlisle might not tolerate his defensive lapses and his tendency to hunt highlight plays either. It's his time to show he can start, and be impactful when thrust into that role.

Fair, but I gave you the only instances where he got real burn in the playoffs. We would have won game 1 against Miami if anybody else could hit a 3 besides Obi for example, and he basically closed out the last 2 games against Cleveland’s starters. He was outplaying Mobley, so it wasn’t bench guys.

I understand that’s not the biggest sample size, but it’s all we have to go on. Obi mostly performed when called upon, which couldn’t have been easy considering how little he usually played. Imagine how much further along hed be if he played more and was supported as a #8 pick from the jump.

What’s done is done though. Wasnt working out here so we just got to look forward. Julius needs to come through in the playoffs now.

[Chanel Bomber]

FWIW in the games Obi started at the end of the last two seasons where he went off, the team’s record was 8-5. 21/6/3 on 70% TS% as a starter. Maybe that was meaningless to some people, but it’s all the data we have and it’s still a good thing that he balled out with the team mostly winning when he played more. It’d be used against him for sure if he struggled and they lost. This season Obi, Quickley, and Grimes were going off, then your boy RJ came back the last 2 games and they lost those lol.

Obi made a positive overall impact both times he was in the playoffs too, especially against Cleveland and their “great” front line. He was very solid all series, but stepped up and helped close game 5, after Julius was benched, with good defense and rebounding, and then obviously buried them in game 6 with his 12 point 3rd quarter after Julius got hurt.

He wasnt as good against Miami, besides a few games. Started game 1 putting up 18/8 and was the starter with the best +/-, and he sparked the game 5 2nd quarter run after Julius looked dead. Nobody was as effective against Miami besides Brunson really, which is why we lost the series and they went to the finals. His overall RAPTOR in the playoffs was positive and way better than Julius and RJ.

So yeah we’ll see how he does in Indy, but he doesnt have to be the man there or anything. They have nice complementary pieces around him that should cover up some weaknesses (shot creation on offense and rim protection on defense to name a few). I expect him to play well in his role and the Pacers to be around .500.

Thanks for the thoughtful reply.

Couple things:

Obi's RAPTOR must be seen through the lens of his role, which was a backup (even in the playoffs). We know he's impactful off the bench, and RAPTOR captures that. That doesn't mean it translates to a starter role. A change of role would've likely tanked his RAPTOR.

I don't put much stock in the last 10 games of the regular season. This is not about just Obi. A lot of teams essentially stop playing, which always opens the door for guys to put up big numbers. I don't find those numbers to be meaningful or reliable to be honest.

Obi isn't a scrub. He's a rotation player in the NBA and an impactful backup. We'll see how he plays in Indiana if he starts. Carlisle might not tolerate his defensive lapses and his tendency to hunt highlight plays either. It's his time to show he can start, and be impactful when thrust into that role.

Fair, but I gave you the only instances where he got real burn in the playoffs. We would have won game 1 against Miami if anybody else could hit a 3 besides Obi for example, and he basically closed out the last 2 games against Cleveland’s starters. He was outplaying Mobley, so it wasn’t bench guys.

I understand that’s not the biggest sample size, but it’s all we have to go on. Obi mostly performed when called upon, which couldn’t have been easy considering how little he usually played. Imagine how much further along hed be if he played more and was supported as a #8 pick from the jump.

What’s done is done though. Wasnt working out here so now we look forward.

I admittedly missed game 5 of the Cavs series.

I think it was just an unfortunate situation for him.

2 out of his 3 seasons in the NBA, he was literally playing an All-NBA player. It's tough to justify having him eat into Randle's minutes in those circumstances tbh. Thibs was rightly more invested in Randle.

The Knicks should have traded Randle when they made the mistake of drafting Obi but even they didn't think Randle would make such a leap. Actually, perhaps keeping Julius was actually the right move considering his role in our two playoff appearances, and drafting Obi was the mistake all along. But that doesn't fit the rageful narrative of a lot of fans, does it.

Seems like Obi's in a good situation in Indiana so we can hope he can reach his potential there. Don't be surprised if he ends the season as the backup 4 there too though.

He did well for us in his role the past 3 seasons. Our bench was one of our greater strengths and losing Obi hurts our second unit.

[Guano]

Obi can easily put up 16 and 8 if given the PT and the usage. A lot of NBA players can.

The question is whether this production will lead to impact. It always has been the question mark.

And everything he doesn't do (well) factors into impact, as do the few things that he does well.

If he's a starter for Indiana, he'll need to play better defense and/or either space the floor better or be more effective as the roll man.

I personally don't think he'll be impactful as a starter, but have no concerns about sheer production.

you must mean for a single game because he isn't going to average that.

unless you actually believe obi is going to be top 30 in the league in rebounding.

[3toheadmelo]

obi is gonna average around 12 PPG and 5 RPG on the pacers. future all star folks.

[Chanel Bomber]

Obi can easily put up 16 and 8 if given the PT and the usage. A lot of NBA players can.

The question is whether this production will lead to impact. It always has been the question mark.

And everything he doesn't do (well) factors into impact, as do the few things that he does well.

If he's a starter for Indiana, he'll need to play better defense and/or either space the floor better or be more effective as the roll man.

I personally don't think he'll be impactful as a starter, but have no concerns about sheer production.

you must mean for a single game because he isn't going to average that.

unless you actually believe obi is going to be top 30 in the league in rebounding.

Do you think I calculated that number with an Excel spreadsheet using basketball-reference data in a cabin for 2 days straight with no sleep and no food?

You wouldn't be wrong to think that.

In this case though, I didn't.

Obi only gets minimum effort from me. People don't cap about him nearly enough for me to care about the details. Plus he can dunk and that has to count for something, though I know some fellow Knicks fans prefer the art of the bricked layup - it's less obvious, less enjoyable, basically it's tailor-made to satisfy their narcissism.

Oh hey Guan0, sorry brother, you were saying?

[god shammgod]

obi don't deserve this much talking about him to be honest. i wish you well captain dunkaroo. take care.

[TrueWarrior]

I admittedly missed game 5 of the Cavs series.

I think it was just an unfortunate situation for him.

2 out of his 3 seasons in the NBA, he was literally playing an All-NBA player. It's tough to justify having him eat into Randle's minutes in those circumstances tbh. Thibs was rightly more invested in Randle.

The Knicks should have traded Randle when they made the mistake of drafting Obi but even they didn't think Randle would make such a leap. Actually, perhaps keeping Julius was actually the right move considering his role in our two playoff appearances, and drafting Obi was the mistake all along. But that doesn't fit the rageful narrative of a lot of fans, does it.

Seems like Obi's in a good situation in Indiana so we can hope he can reach his potential there. Don't be surprised if he ends the season as the backup 4 there too though.

He did well for us in his role the past 3 seasons. Our bench was one of our greater strengths and losing Obi hurts our second unit.

First of all you should definitely watch game 5 against Cleveland. That’s literally the high point of this franchise for the last 20+ years man, and Obi had a GREAT 3rd quarter when Julius went down to seal the deal:

Watch on YouTube

Just always seemed like a lot of goalpost moving when it came to Obi. You agree he was a good backup, but he also excelled as a starter and in the playoffs. He passed all the tests besides just being able to sustain those numbers as a starter over a longer time, but he never had the chance to do that here.

Say what you want about Julius in the regular season, and I give him props for being All NBA twice, but hes been bad at the end of games and in the playoffs while hes been here. Nice 1st quarters though. Good thing Brunson came. Julius has to man up and perform better when it matters. No more excuses.

[Gravy]

Obi can easily put up 16 and 8 if given the PT and the usage. A lot of NBA players can.

The question is whether this production will lead to impact. It always has been the question mark.

And everything he doesn't do (well) factors into impact, as do the few things that he does well.

If he's a starter for Indiana, he'll need to play better defense and/or either space the floor better or be more effective as the roll man.

I personally don't think he'll be impactful as a starter, but have no concerns about sheer production.

you must mean for a single game because he isn't going to average that.

unless you actually believe obi is going to be top 30 in the league in rebounding.

This is the time of year people get to fantasize Obi will become Paul Pierce, Cam will be Tracy Mcgrady, Pop will turn Frank into Gary Payton, Randle getting traded any day and Thibs fired. I got my guy Divincenzo as sixth man of the year!...anyway only about 3 more months before the new season gets us back to reality again.

[Chanel Bomber]

I admittedly missed game 5 of the Cavs series.

I think it was just an unfortunate situation for him.

2 out of his 3 seasons in the NBA, he was literally playing an All-NBA player. It's tough to justify having him eat into Randle's minutes in those circumstances tbh. Thibs was rightly more invested in Randle.

The Knicks should have traded Randle when they made the mistake of drafting Obi but even they didn't think Randle would make such a leap. Actually, perhaps keeping Julius was actually the right move considering his role in our two playoff appearances, and drafting Obi was the mistake all along. But that doesn't fit the rageful narrative of a lot of fans, does it.

Seems like Obi's in a good situation in Indiana so we can hope he can reach his potential there. Don't be surprised if he ends the season as the backup 4 there too though.

He did well for us in his role the past 3 seasons. Our bench was one of our greater strengths and losing Obi hurts our second unit.

First of all you should definitely watch game 5 against Cleveland. That’s literally the high point of this franchise for the last 20+ years man, and Obi had a GREAT 3rd quarter when Julius went down to seal the deal:

Watch on YouTube

Just always seemed like a lot of goalpost moving when it came to Obi. You agree he was a good backup, but he also excelled as a starter and in the playoffs. He passed all the tests besides just being able to sustain those numbers as a starter over a longer time, but he never had the chance to do that here.

Say what you want about Julius in the regular season, and I give him props for being All NBA twice, but hes been bad at the end of games and in the playoffs while hes been here. Nice 1st quarters though. Good thing Brunson came. Julius has to man up and perform better when it matters. No more excuses.

It's not about moving goalposts, I just don't put much stock into the end of the regular season to evaluate any player. So I don't think the games he started at the end of the season are any indication of how he'd fare as a starter. Just like I didn't expect IQ to become a triple-double machine after his late-season triple-double for us. As for the playoffs, Obi only started one game.

So I just disagree with the premise that we have a meaningful sample size to use as evidence that Obi projects as an impactful starter.

I agree that Julius needs to play better in the postseason, but I think it'd be unfair not to mention that he was playing through a serious injury in this year's playoffs.

[NYKnickerbocker]

Obi’s career already peaked in the slam dunk contest.

[TrueWarrior]

First of all you should definitely watch game 5 against Cleveland. That’s literally the high point of this franchise for the last 20+ years man, and Obi had a GREAT 3rd quarter when Julius went down to seal the deal:

Watch on YouTube

Just always seemed like a lot of goalpost moving when it came to Obi. You agree he was a good backup, but he also excelled as a starter and in the playoffs. He passed all the tests besides just being able to sustain those numbers as a starter over a longer time, but he never had the chance to do that here.

Say what you want about Julius in the regular season, and I give him props for being All NBA twice, but hes been bad at the end of games and in the playoffs while hes been here. Nice 1st quarters though. Good thing Brunson came. Julius has to man up and perform better when it matters. No more excuses.

It's not about moving goalposts, I just don't put much stock into the end of the regular season to evaluate any player. So I don't think the games he started at the end of the season are any indication of how he'd fare as a starter. Just like I didn't expect IQ to become a triple-double king after his late-season triple-double for us. As for the playoffs, Obi only started one game.

I agree that Julius needs to play better in the postseason, but I think it'd be unfair not to mention that he was playing through a serious injury in the postseason.

Obi started the 3rd quarter in game 5 against Cleveland dude, scoring 12 points. Watch the game. Then he closed game 4 against them as well in another W. Who cares if he didnt start the game if he ended it against starters? And yeah the one game he did start he put up 18/8.

Last thing, but many of the same people doubting Obi here also doubted Brunson last summer. Not saying Obi will be close to Brunson, but the signs and numbers are there that he’s better than you think. Remember Obi played in a slow paced iso system that doesnt suit him at all, and still played well.

We’ll just have to see. Either way I win. If we’re better off without him, I win because Im a Knicks fan. If Obi balls out, I win and will rub it in everyone’s faces. If the Knicks and Obi both suck, then I also win to see you all suffer.

[Buttah304]

Goodbye Obi

[Guano]

Obi can easily put up 16 and 8 if given the PT and the usage. A lot of NBA players can.

The question is whether this production will lead to impact. It always has been the question mark.

And everything he doesn't do (well) factors into impact, as do the few things that he does well.

If he's a starter for Indiana, he'll need to play better defense and/or either space the floor better or be more effective as the roll man.

I personally don't think he'll be impactful as a starter, but have no concerns about sheer production.

you must mean for a single game because he isn't going to average that.

unless you actually believe obi is going to be top 30 in the league in rebounding.

Do you think I calculated that number with an Excel spreadsheet using basketball-reference data in a cabin for 2 days straight with no sleep and no food?

You wouldn't be wrong to think that.

In this case though, I didn't.

Obi only gets minimum effort from me. People don't cap about him nearly enough for me to care about the details. Plus he can dunk and that has to count for something, though I know some fellow Knicks fans prefer the art of the bricked layup - it's less obvious, less enjoyable, basically it's tailor-made to satisfy their narcissism.

Oh hey Guan0, sorry brother, you were saying?

we've come to expect a certain standard from you and those numbers didn't live up to that excellence.

[Guano]

obi don't deserve this much talking about him to be honest. i wish you well captain dunkaroo. take care.

I can't wait for drunktape to show up in threads after obi puts up some nice counting stats in a 20 point loss screaming that thibs is a moron.

[Ghetto Gospel]

finally found a picture of obi's bag, good riddance

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[robillionaire]

rick carlisle looks like a very strict HC...if obi can not master the defensive rotations and always loses his man, he is going to be languishing at the bench

Like how Thibs punishes Randle for poor defense?

When Obi becomes an all-star and averages 25 10 and 5 and drags a team to the playoffs twice as the only all star on the team he may get to lapse on defense too. Brunson sucks on defense should he be punished? Should they bench him for McBride or IQ every time someone blows by him? Great players have longer leashes this is how the game works guys

[Iron Mantis]

rick carlisle looks like a very strict HC...if obi can not master the defensive rotations and always loses his man, he is going to be languishing at the bench

Like how Thibs punishes Randle for poor defense?

When Obi becomes an all-star and averages 25 10 and 5 and drags a team to the playoffs twice as the only all star on the team he may get to lapse on defense too. Brunson sucks on defense should he be punished? Should they bench him for McBride or IQ every time someone blows by him? Great players have longer leashes this is how the game works guys

I've never seen Randle "drag a team to the playoffs twice".

But I've sure seen Randle drag a team down in the playoffs twice.