Breaking: Obi toppin traded to indiana

[RHODEY]

I’m not sure it’s so much of a guarantee that Obi would have done well if he played more here. There’s actually a chance that he plays well in Indiana, but that team has Tyrese and Myles Turner. Those 2 guys will maximize anyone in this league.

We needed Obi to do something really different. We needed him to fill in the gaps, not for us to fill in the gaps around him. That’s why Thibs was so adamant about defense, rebounding and 3s. If Obi had those skills, he’d be making so much bank right now.

Just the fact that Obi still managed to play well with the limited spotty minutes tell me he could have thrived. I don't think thibs wanted that because it would have forced him out of his comfort zone.

[Chanel Bomber]

I don t think it was a necessarily matter of playing Obi over Randle , just a matter giving him more minutes in general, not pulling him in the middle of a run , not maximizing his trade value, killing the kids confidence etc. A more creative and flexible coach would have figured at least some of those things out.

And Randle is a better player, but from a team concept its debatable. Can we be a true contender with his mental lapses and dumb play during critical moments.? How did the TEAM look with Obi on the floor as opposed to Randle? How did the ball move?

Thib and Randle are similar in the sense that they both are "good" but can either rise above "good"? Or are we capped with them?

That's a fair question but one for the front office to figure out.

Thibs isn't employed to make that call - his duty is to pick his best teams from the sidelines and Randle is simply a much better player than Obi.

Thibs was given two power forwards with no positional versatility. Obi and Randle can't play the 3 or the 5. So they were stuck in a zero-sum game with their minutes at the 4. It just is what it is. Thibs just opted to put more trust in the better player.

Listen it was a bad draft pick and that's how it started. Unfortunate situation for Obi? Yes, absolutely. But coach Thibs managed to overperform expectations and take us to the postseason twice in 3 years by putting his trust in Randle (among other things) so it's fair to say this decision paid off.

How did the team look with Obi? Good, because he was part of great bench units that dominated against inferior second units. That's not necessarily replicable against opposing starters. It's different levels of competition.

You're not wrong except that I dont agree it was quite a zero sum equation.

There were several opportunities for thibs to put OBi in...even during blow out wins were he insisted on coddling Randle ego till the final buzzer rang instead of giving Obi some burn.


There were several in games runs that Obi spearheaded versus the opposing teams starting units..andt Thibs pulled the plug...

It was to the point were it began to look personal to me. And if Thibs felt the need to ride Randle he still didn't have to enable his bad habits by giving his a different set of standards compared to the rest of the team. Tha'ts how you lose a team and those are things that had nothing to do with the front office.

I'll agree with you that Thibs coached him too hard at times. Doesn't really change my overall perspective, but that's a fair point.

[Guano]

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Walmart jimmit doesn't even give us gifs or horrible photoshop.

True. They do have similar posting styles.

Ohboy109 moves different tho. Real shifty so the charges won't stick. Busts his gun and lays low for a while.

Jimmit was sloppy. Fell in love with the attention of groupies. Always bragged about his crimes. The state used the lyrics from his own mixed tapes to indict and convict him.

Jimmit was a star that burned too bright.

[NYKnickerbocker]

I’m not sure it’s so much of a guarantee that Obi would have done well if he played more here. There’s actually a chance that he plays well in Indiana, but that team has Tyrese and Myles Turner. Those 2 guys will maximize anyone in this league.

We needed Obi to do something really different. We needed him to fill in the gaps, not for us to fill in the gaps around him. That’s why Thibs was so adamant about defense, rebounding and 3s. If Obi had those skills, he’d be making so much bank right now.

Tyrese and Myles maximized them selves to a nice lottery pick so far

[Chanel Bomber]

Walmart jimmit doesn't even give us gifs or horrible photoshop.

True. They do have similar posting styles.

Ohboy109 moves different tho. Real shifty so the charges won't stick. Busts his gun and lays low for a while.

Jimmit was sloppy. Fell in love with the attention of groupies. Always bragged about his crimes. The state used the lyrics from his own mixed tapes to indict and convict him.

Jimmit was a star that burned too bright.

The name of another historical figure started with J - he too was ahead of his time. He was nailed to a cross for it.

History really does keep repeating itself.

[HighRyzer83]

I don't get this feel good for Obi angle either. What's to feel good about? The fact that he develops and helps our rival? How's that good for the Knicks if Obi achieves his potential other than proving thibs a moron. This is a loser move anyway you slice it

[KnicksGadfly]

I’m not sure it’s so much of a guarantee that Obi would have done well if he played more here. There’s actually a chance that he plays well in Indiana, but that team has Tyrese and Myles Turner. Those 2 guys will maximize anyone in this league.

We needed Obi to do something really different. We needed him to fill in the gaps, not for us to fill in the gaps around him. That’s why Thibs was so adamant about defense, rebounding and 3s. If Obi had those skills, he’d be making so much bank right now.

Tyrese and Myles maximized them selves to a nice lottery pick so far

Maximize don’t mean Andrew Nembhard is gonna become Lebron. It just means he’s put in the best position possible, for him.

Basically, it means that a bunch of players in this league prefer to have a great shooting and passing point guard with good defense and a rim protecting three point shooter at center.

[Zenzibar]

I’m not sure it’s so much of a guarantee that Obi would have done well if he played more here. There’s actually a chance that he plays well in Indiana, but that team has Tyrese and Myles Turner. Those 2 guys will maximize anyone in this league.

We needed Obi to do something really different. We needed him to fill in the gaps, not for us to fill in the gaps around him. That’s why Thibs was so adamant about defense, rebounding and 3s. If Obi had those skills, he’d be making so much bank right now.

Tyrese and Myles maximized them selves to a nice lottery pick so far

Miles who?

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[ChumboChappati]

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[robillionaire]

I don't get this feel good for Obi angle either. What's to feel good about? The fact that he develops and helps our rival? How's that good for the Knicks if Obi achieves his potential other than proving thibs a moron. This is a loser move anyway you slice it

There IS a way to slice it that makes it a winner move and that’s by realizing Obi sucks and we ripped them off for 2 draft picks. But you are right, it’s not good for the Knicks if he helps our rival and I don’t feel good for him.

[thebuzzardman]

You're officially my favorite poster.

Walmart jimmit doesn't even give us gifs or horrible photoshop.

True. They do have similar posting styles.

Ohboy109 moves different tho. Real shifty so the charges won't stick. Busts his gun and lays low for a while.

Jimmit was sloppy. Fell in love with the attention of groupies. Always bragged about his crimes. The state used the lyrics from his own mixed tapes to indict and convict him.

bearadonisdna vs jimmit vs Ohboy109 showdown!

All unique. All uncompromising. Who do have in a posting Battle Royale?

The quick hitting, constant drumbeat from jimmit?
The quick stick, occasional haymaker from Ohboy, combined with stealth moves?
The acerbic anti-Mitch moves of bearadonisdna, with a more varied post style, in longer format?

My pick is bearadonisdna. Very varied style. Pisses off Shams. That's my winner.

[thebuzzardman]

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[nismos14]

Good riddance.

[Knicksman780]

Today is the day that the deal becomes official. There's most likely an insignificant throw in somewhere added into the trade, other than the 2 second round picks. It seems like it always ends up that way.

[NoDopeOnSundays]

I don't get this feel good for Obi angle either. What's to feel good about? The fact that he develops and helps our rival? How's that good for the Knicks if Obi achieves his potential other than proving thibs a moron. This is a loser move anyway you slice it

They play at the 4th quickest pace in the league, and in the halfcourt he's going to have the lane mostly to himself because Turner is popping out. This has the potential to really blow up in our faces.

[GONYK]

I don't get this feel good for Obi angle either. What's to feel good about? The fact that he develops and helps our rival? How's that good for the Knicks if Obi achieves his potential other than proving thibs a moron. This is a loser move anyway you slice it

They play at the 4th quickest pace in the league, and in the halfcourt he's going to have the lane mostly to himself because Turner is popping out. This has the potential to really blow up in our faces.

The Knicks mismanaged the asset, no matter how Obi does in Indiana.

At the same time, I don't think it matters much to our long term future if he blows up or not. There was no avenue to set up an ecosystem for him to thrive in here.

[Jalen Bluntson]

I don't get this feel good for Obi angle either. What's to feel good about? The fact that he develops and helps our rival? How's that good for the Knicks if Obi achieves his potential other than proving thibs a moron. This is a loser move anyway you slice it

They play at the 4th quickest pace in the league, and in the halfcourt he's going to have the lane mostly to himself because Turner is popping out. This has the potential to really blow up in our faces.

Keeping Randle while Obi thrives elsewhere will most likely blow up in our faces. Unless we use Randle to get a star. Randle getting stats vs being a better player than Obi has never been proven. Obi never got the chance to prove as much here. That much we know. In extended minutes he always produced. That's not debatable at all.

He may never be able to get 25/10/5 but, those stats have not told the whole story either.

Time will tell. Randle is at his peak. Obi may reach another level that proves to be more helpful to winning.

[ScienceOfLosing]

I don't get this feel good for Obi angle either. What's to feel good about? The fact that he develops and helps our rival? How's that good for the Knicks if Obi achieves his potential other than proving thibs a moron. This is a loser move anyway you slice it

They play at the 4th quickest pace in the league, and in the halfcourt he's going to have the lane mostly to himself because Turner is popping out. This has the potential to really blow up in our faces.

Keeping Randle while Obi thrives elsewhere will most likely blow up in our faces. Unless we use Randle to get a star. Randle getting stats vs being a better player than Obi has never been proven. Obi never got the chance to prove as much here. That much we know. In extended minutes he always produced. That's not debatable at all.

He may never be able to get 25/10/5 but, those stats have not told the whole story either.

Time will tell. Randle is at his peak. Obi may reach another level that proves to be more helpful to winning.

Well said. And just to add, the idea of trying to mold a high flyer transition player into a corner 3 pt shooter almost seemed like a slap to both management and Obi. Thibs can coach well but ONLY his way. He is terrible at adjusting to a players strengths. He is antiquated in that way but we still can succeed if he gets the players he wants (and doesn‘t run them into the ground.)

I look forward to Obi in the Garden, as I think a majority of Knicks fans do. You know he‘ll get a message through to Thibs, as I think the crowd will (unless we blow them out.)