Sixers Offseason Thread Part 3

[ivysixer2000]

Replacing Harden isn't the issue for me, and I'm definitely not a Harden fan. The issue is length.

Our problem is Tobi and PJ getting destroyed. We can beat pretty much anyone in the East, but we can't do that as long as Tobi and PJ are our starting forwards.

[ProcessDoctor]

Siakam, Ingram, Towns.

If you want to keep Maxey, turn Harden and/or Harris into one of these guys + depth.

[Negrodamus]

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I'm still a Harden fan. Gets Doc fired and now lets Morey go back to making good moves instead of moves to satisfy Harden's desires. Hopefully we can get some value out of him and not be under the Harden spell anymore.

[youngcrev]

Talk themselves into anything? It's Damian **** Lillard. Dude just averaged 32.2 on .645 TS and made 3rd team All NBA. He scored 71 points in a game like 5 months ago... He's not exactly past his prime.

Injuries are a worry, particularly in conjunction with the contract... But Pat Riley sure doesn't seem that concerned.

If you don't want to give up Maxey, I get it. Or worry about excessive packages that leave us without a supporting cast to finish the job.

But the idea that people are simply out on Dame is insane.

[eyeatoma]

Dame could easily have the worst contract in the league in a year or two. It’s that awful of a contract. Yet people want to sell the farm for him.

Make it make sense.

I see both sides of the coin. Lillard is the best fit superstar wise with Jo than any player in the league not named Steph. Lillard who has a similar game, could age as well as him. There are stars that play into their late 30s. Apart from the stomach issue, he has been an iron man for his career, and has played far more than Steph.

Now, I also agree that selling the farm for him is extreme. I am willing to consider it, but I honestly am not sure. I can see the reason to do it, and trade Maxey, and the reason to hold, get some value out of Harden, and then become a team with 2 max slots next season. Problem is no one ever wants to come here, and the FA list is underwhelming. Most free agents are just signing with their own team again.

So as others have said, what happens then. I saw the response, just do something different. Yeah, that could be it as well.

Just think, in the end it'll come to Jo. Either he says I want Maxey to stay and we don't get Lillard, and it might end up being the right decision or wrong decision. Or, he says get me Dame, we get him, and once again, it might be the right or wrong decision. It think Jo will have final say IMO.

[eyeatoma]

Talk themselves into anything? It's Damian **** Lillard. Dude just averaged 32.2 on .645 TS and made 3rd team All NBA. He scored 71 points in a game like 5 months ago... He's not exactly past his prime.

Injuries are a worry, particularly in conjunction with the contract... But Pat Riley sure doesn't seem that concerned.

If you don't want to give up Maxey, I get it. Or worry about excessive packages that leave us without a supporting cast to finish the job.

But the idea that people are simply out on Dame is insane.

This, just because Harden is a bag of bones, doesn't mean Lillard is. His game is not predicated on athleticism or an insane first step. It is on incredible shot making, and shooting. Something that is the last thing to leave a player.

[ivysixer2000]

One thing has to be well established, if we trade for Dame, Maxey is gone. A Dame/Maxey backcourt is a horrible, terrible idea.

Jojo will have to make a decision of if it is Dame or Maxey, but we can't fit both on this team. They both suck defensively, although at least Maxey has upside there.

[76Love]

Dame could easily have the worst contract in the league in a year or two. It’s that awful of a contract. Yet people want to sell the farm for him.

Make it make sense.

I remember you calling Maxey a superstar the beginning of last season just because he was hitting open jumpers

I get it some of you don't want to see Maxey go but Lillard is a closer (something we have struggled with) and way better than Harden is right now. Lillard actually takes care of his body more than Harden does. He moves better, has better stamina and doesn't pound the ball and ball watch when he doesn't have the ball. He actually cuts unlike Harden

And if Morey isn't really offering Maxey for Lillard he needs to be fired. You get Lillard and figure it out later. Who cares about the future. Some of you probably won't even be alive in the next 5 years

I can tell you majority of guys aren't from Philly. Some of you said the same thing about Durant last year when it came to Maxey. Unbelievable

[sixers hoops]

One thing has to be well established, if we trade for Dame, Maxey is gone. A Dame/Maxey backcourt is a horrible, terrible idea.

Jojo will have to make a decision of if it is Dame or Maxey, but we can't fit both on this team. They both suck defensively, although at least Maxey has upside there.

I think we only get Dame by trading Maxey. If Dame isn’t pushing for Philly, we would have to have a really strong offer to get Portland to push Lillard to Philly l.

[youngcrev]

One thing has to be well established, if we trade for Dame, Maxey is gone. A Dame/Maxey backcourt is a horrible, terrible idea.

Jojo will have to make a decision of if it is Dame or Maxey, but we can't fit both on this team. They both suck defensively, although at least Maxey has upside there.

Maybe. Depends on what Nurse can scheme up. You'd certainly want to stagger them as much as possible. They'd be pretty awesome offensively though. And Dame isn't exactly unfamiliar with playing with playing with that type of player next to him having played with CJ most of his career and Simons these last couple.

[ProcessDoctor]

Interesting and important stat in the Harden vs Dame discussion.

Harden:
Career regular season minutes played: 34,753
Career playoff minutes played: 5,750
Total minutes played: 40,503

Lillard:
Career regular season minutes played: 27,942
Career playoff minutes played: 2,458
Career total minutes played: 30,400

[ivysixer2000]

Hey hoops and young, I just don't think Maxey and Dame can coexist and win a ring. It would be great to watch, but they will not win. It will take more than one move. Get rid of Harden, I don't care.

We still have to replace the wings with length that can shoot. Morey has a very difficult job, I don't want to be him right now.

[Embiid P]

But Pat Riley sure doesn't seem that concerned.

Perhaps that's because Miami is a more desirable free agent destination, has more tradable assets than do the Sixers along with a much better track record of finding and developing undrafted players into solid contributors to where they can afford to take a risk on Dame. Dame is a great player, but he would leave our already limited cupboard of assets even more barren for the next decade or so. Personally I wouldn't take the risk given his age, contract and health concerns but that's me.

[HotelVitale]

Hey hoops and young, I just don't think Maxey and Dame can coexist and win a ring. It would be great to watch, but they will not win.

Got some good news for you then...

[HotelVitale]

Dame could easily have the worst contract in the league in a year or two. It’s that awful of a contract. Yet people want to sell the farm for him. Make it make sense.

People are incredibly desperate for the team to get over the top they’re willing to talk themselves into anything. Which is why I’m saying right now despite what people say right now about being cool with a pause year, I’m telling you 7 games into the season when the team is boring, doesn’t look like a contender and is playing .500 basketball, the sentiments are going to change. You aren’t gonna get a whole lot of “it’s a pause year, it it what it is.” It’ll be “god this team sucks, they’re so boring, I hate this team.”

Pause years are a lot easier to stomach in theory than in practice.

Yeah, I don't actually think it's a great idea to trade for Dame, but when you have that versus trading Harden for nothing to keep cap space open, then wanting to shoot myself while watching the ball movement of a Melton/Maxey/Harris/Tucker/Embiid lineup (with zero bench) for an entire RS, suffering through endless espn takes about how much Embiid wants out, pinning 11 months of hope onto some flawed star maybe please maybe wanting to come to our now-boring team for way too much money, and then maybe being about as good as we were this past season? Tough one.

[Embiid P]

Dame could easily have the worst contract in the league in a year or two. It’s that awful of a contract. Yet people want to sell the farm for him.

Make it make sense.

And if Morey isn't really offering Maxey for Lillard he needs to be fired. You get Lillard and figure it out later. Who cares about the future. Some of you probably won't even be alive in the next 5 years

Except it wouldn't be just Maxey for Dame. It would be Maxey + Harden or Harris + fillers + picks. Again, Dame is a great player but not worth completely depleting our depth and future assets over. At least in my opinion.

[ivysixer2000]

Hey hoops and young, I just don't think Maxey and Dame can coexist and win a ring. It would be great to watch, but they will not win.

Got some good news for you then...

OK, I'll take the bait lol. How many times has that small of backcourt won a championship lately....we tried with Iverson and Snow I guess.

[HotelVitale]

Hey hoops and young, I just don't think Maxey and Dame can coexist and win a ring. It would be great to watch, but they will not win.

Got some good news for you then...

OK, I'll take the bait lol. How many times has that small of backcourt won a championship lately....we tried with Iverson and Snow I guess.

(there's no chance we'd get Dame without Maxey going out)

[sixers hoops]

Looks like Lillard makes 46, 49, 58, and 63.

He will be 33, 34, 35, and 36 in those seasons.

Considering he is still playing at an elite level, I think you could get 2 or 3 years of star play.

Maxey is a really good player, but Lillard’s playoff production, while being the target of opposing defenses has been pretty impressive. He has played with some weak supporting casts, so I’m not surprised with his lack of team success.

I think Lillard, Melton, Tobias, Tucker, Embiid would have a shot, but prob need more added to that lineup, depending on what we actually give up for Lillard. I still think we are a little short on firepower and not sure what we would have left to solidify the lineup. With a 33 year old Lillard, you can’t waste a year building around him, and Morey doesn’t seem to work very fast.

[ivysixer2000]

Got some good news for you then...

OK, I'll take the bait lol. How many times has that small of backcourt won a championship lately....we tried with Iverson and Snow I guess.

(there's no chance we'd get Dame without Maxey going out)

Totally agree,