Sixers Offseason Thread Part 3

[Ben]

Tobias-maxey-28 first for dame

Harden to clippers
Bulls clippers 2 firsts Marcus morris norman Powell
76ers Drummond - Lavine- Mann

Only way I’d trade Maxey is if we have a Lavine trade already.

Dame-melton-Lavine -tucker - embiid
Bench Beverly - springer- Mann-Drummond- Paul reed

I doubt that this could be made to happen, but it's the one scenario in which I would want Maxey for Dame. I don't even think that the Clips would have to give up two 1sts or that the Bulls would get that much for LaVine.
Dame/ [Melton or Mann] / LaVine/ Tucker/ Embiid would have three great offensive players and defense to cover for Dame and LaVine.

But it won't happen as long as Miami will give them Herro, which is what I thought would happen all along. As someone else here mentioned, Maxey is waiting to get maxed while Herro is signed for 3 more years @ $93M overall. That's a big difference to a team like Portland with their apparent strategy.

[Ferry Avenue]

Jaylen Brown is fool’s gold. He’s mostly an opportunistic scorer. In isolation he’s got a terrible handle and has no shiftiness—basically he needs his first step to get him an uninterrupted lane to the basket, or else the wheels fall off.

I've been waiting for someone to write something like this. My take on it is that Brown's an excellent player-- with some of the shortcomings you mentioned, and he's not an elite defender-- and would be great to have, except that he's not worth a supermax contract. Supermax puts you the same kind of bind that others have described. And if Brown couldn't win a chip with Tatum, an Embiid-level impact player, and a super-deep and well-coached team over multiple years, I don't see any great reason to suspect that he could win one here with an older Embiid and very little supporting cast.

Also, as per the Horford comment earlier, I can't help but suspect that Brown would regress from Celtic form if he came here. Whether it's something in the coaching, in the influence of management, or in the water, I can't get buck that feeling that players just do better on certain teams. Generally teams that I hate.

Unfortunately Brown looks like an elite defender only when he's guarding James Harden in the playoffs.

[Ferry Avenue]

Tobias-maxey-28 first for dame

Harden to clippers
Bulls clippers 2 firsts Marcus morris norman Powell
76ers Drummond - Lavine- Mann

Only way I’d trade Maxey is if we have a Lavine trade already.

Dame-melton-Lavine -tucker - embiid
Bench Beverly - springer- Mann-Drummond- Paul reed

Now you're talking. That's a title contender.

Only difficulty there is that the Clippers are giving up an awful lot for just James Harden -- three players and two FRPs.

[Stanford]

Truth is, if Embiid doesn't play like an MVP in the playoffs, we ain't winning ****.

[Arsenal]

Ah, so we're doing a thing where we talk about players we can't get?

Yo, we should get Luka!

As opposed to doing the thing where we desperately burn the rest of our assets for a guy about to fall off the cliff getting paid $60M per year for the next 4 years?

Yeah I'd rather do nothing until some better "players we can't get" become available.

[youngcrev]

Ah, so we're doing a thing where we talk about players we can't get?

Yo, we should get Luka!

As opposed to doing the thing where we desperately burn the rest of our assets for a guy about to fall off the cliff getting paid $60M per year for the next 4 years?

Yeah I'd rather do nothing until some better "players we can't get" become available.

Well then you are a goose. A silly one at that.

[Arsenal]

Ah, so we're doing a thing where we talk about players we can't get?

Yo, we should get Luka!

As opposed to doing the thing where we desperately burn the rest of our assets for a guy about to fall off the cliff getting paid $60M per year for the next 4 years?

Yeah I'd rather do nothing until some better "players we can't get" become available.

Well then you are a goose. A silly one at that.

And you're desperate and myopic. Congrats!

[Kobblehead]

Trading for Dame will result in goose egg title opportunities.

[Ferry Avenue]

Truth is, if Embiid doesn't play like an MVP in the playoffs, we ain't winning ****.

You throw Lillard and Zach Lavine out there alongside him and there's a whole lot more room for him to be his usual playoffs self.

That's part of what this team needs to solve to get over the second-round hump -- how to get what's expected out of Embiid in the playoffs and still prevail by virtue of the contributions of other players. The team certainly shouldn't move forward expecting Embiid to change significantly for the better in that area.

[mjkvol]

Dame could easily have the worst contract in the league in a year or two. It’s that awful of a contract. Yet people want to sell the farm for him.

Make it make sense.

I see both sides of the coin. Lillard is the best fit superstar wise with Jo than any player in the league not named Steph. Lillard who has a similar game, could age as well as him. There are stars that play into their late 30s. Apart from the stomach issue, he has been an iron man for his career, and has played far more than Steph.

Now, I also agree that selling the farm for him is extreme. I am willing to consider it, but I honestly am not sure. I can see the reason to do it, and trade Maxey, and the reason to hold, get some value out of Harden, and then become a team with 2 max slots next season. Problem is no one ever wants to come here, and the FA list is underwhelming. Most free agents are just signing with their own team again.

So as others have said, what happens then. I saw the response, just do something different. Yeah, that could be it as well.

Just think, in the end it'll come to Jo. Either he says I want Maxey to stay and we don't get Lillard, and it might end up being the right decision or wrong decision. Or, he says get me Dame, we get him, and once again, it might be the right or wrong decision. It think Jo will have final say IMO.

You make good points. My view is one that is probably mine alone - create the space but also acquire draft capital to get an influx of quality youth to build around Embiid and Maxey, and look to make smart role player signings. This means hopefully competing in 2-3 years, which is a non-starter with every fan aside from me.

The biggest pipe dream is any 'superstar' in their prime signing here, so the 'two max spots' part of creating space is a fantasy. But IMO we aren't competing for a championship (if that is indeed the goal) with any of the proposed trades here. In fact, it would be running it back with some changes around the edges, a real coach, and a committed Harden (another fantasy at this point) that is the only conceivable 'make a title run' possibility, albeit small. And that still gives us a clean slate next summer - win/win.

[Slacktard]

It's not like everyone who would 'accept' Maxey being traded means they think Maxey is trash or something.

There is certainly a view-point to take that Embiid is an elite-level impact player and Maxey certainly is not currently and IMO probably will not ever be on that kind of level.

That Embiid is 29 and has a significant injury history and the Sixers 'championship' ability is interwoven with Embiid. When we talk about Maxey and a 5 year extension that would start 2024. The last year of Maxey's extension would begin when Embiid is 35 years old (would turn 36 before playoffs) assuming he's still on the Sixers.

I think the amount of people who think Embiid will still be in this top-5 impactful player tier beyond his early 30s is likely extremely small. Most think the decline is coming and could be quite rapid.

If you don't believe Maxey's has enough potential left in his game to move the needle then I can certainly see why the argument would be made to just throw-in for bettering the team in the short-term for Embiid and expecting a complete franchise melt-down after 3 or 4 more seasons.

[Bum Adebayo]

Truth is, if Embiid doesn't play like an MVP in the playoffs, we ain't winning ****.

You throw Lillard and Zach Lavine out there alongside him and there's a whole lot more room for him to be his usual playoffs self.

That's part of what this team needs to solve to get over the second-round hump -- how to get what's expected out of Embiid in the playoffs and still prevail by virtue of the contributions of other players. The team certainly shouldn't move forward expecting Embiid to change significantly for the better in that area.

We want Embiid to NOT be his usual playoffs self, that "usual" version sucks, we need a different Embiid.

[Stanford]

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[ProcessDoctor]

Here's what I think Morey is trying to do with this "no Maxey" stuff. Maybe it's a few 1st swaps short, but I imagine this is the framework:


LAC out: Mann, Covington, Morris, 2028 1st, 2030 1st
LAC in: Harden

PHI out: Harden, Harris, 2029 1st
PHI in: Lillard, Mann, Covington, Morris

POR out: Lillard
POR in: Harris, 2028 LAC 1st, 2029 PHI 1st, 2030 LAC 1st


Lillard/Melton/Beverley
Maxey/Springer/Korkmaz
Mann/Tucker/House
Covington/Morris/Petrusev
Embiid/Reed/(project)

[mjkvol]

Here's what I think Morey is trying to do with this "no Maxey" stuff. Maybe it's a few 1st swaps short, but I imagine this is the framework:


LAC out: Mann, Covington, Morris, 2028 1st, 2030 1st
LAC in: Harden

PHI out: Harden, Harris, 2029 1st
PHI in: Lillard, Mann, Covington, Morris

POR out: Lillard
POR in: Harris, 2028 LAC 1st, 2029 PHI 1st, 2030 LAC 1st


Lillard/Melton/Beverley
Maxey/Springer/Korkmaz
Mann/Tucker/House
Covington/Morris/Petrusev
Embiid/Reed/(project)

That seems to fit the LAC need and should be more than enough for POR at this point - they aren't getting more than that from Miami.

We're going to suffer defensively unless Springer develops into a real rotation piece and RoCo isn't totally washed, and we might get killed on the boards. Not a championship team in all likelihood, but at least we keep Maxey.

[ProcessDoctor]

I think the best-case scenario with a Harden-Clippers trade is Harden/Tucker for Powell/Mann/Covington/Morris/2028 1st/2030 1st. If that's available, then you just take it.


Maxey/Melton/Beverley
Powell/Springer/Korkmaz
Covington/Mann/House
Harris/Morris/Petrusev
Embiid/Reed/(vet min)


Then you still have Harris + three 1sts to dangle for a 3rd star. Or you roll with this team and have a max cap slot heading into 2024 (but then lose all your depth, as you'd have to renounce the bird rights to Melton, Korkmaz, House, Covington, Harris, and Morris).

[51X3RF4N]

Has this been discussed already? I think the Beverly signing was 2 fold.

1) try to convince Harden to stay
2) free up Melton to now be included in trade talks.

Beverly earning $6M less and provides a backup Guard with defense. What does Melton do THAT much better than Beverly to where you can justify not putting that $6M difference into other roster spots?

[51X3RF4N]

For instance, Korkmaz and Melton for De'Andre Hunter clears some long term money for Atlanta, as they've been known to be trying to stay under any tax. And it works salary wise for Sixers.

[eyeatoma]

LMAO, so now they're saying that Morey is trying to get Harden to return. I don't buy it.

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[zaz102]

LMAO, so now they're saying that Morey is trying to get Harden to return. I don't buy it.

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I somewhat believe it. It certaibly seemed like they wanted him back before the trade demand, but on a team friendly deal. Right now the two options are trade him for the a package they don't want or go the Ben Simmons route and let him sit until somebody offers something decent if they're lucky. A third option would be to have him play and at least help the team win some extra games and could help keep his value high enough while waiting for the teams to get more desperate. I could see Harden potentially buying into this over sitting like Simmons.

I'm sure Morey would be happy with Harden finishing the year out, but it's not very plausible for Harden to agree to it.

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