Miami Heat Offseason Thread 7.0: 3ammy vs Cronin, Winner Takes Dame!!

[contract]

I would suggest checking out this discussion before saying that lol

Watch on YouTube

What is that video supposed to show me? I don't need that video. We lived it just a few short years ago. Is your memory really that short?

Well if you watched the video you'd understand that the fan sentiment is far more visceral to their front office and ownership group that you seem to believe. This isn't about me expecting the front office to do Dame a solid and get a **** deal for him but about the overall incompetence of management there.

You're relating Wade's situation to Dame's and they couldn't be further apart. One situation had a front office with championship pedigree and a strong track record behind them and the other has the dumpster fire that POR has been with a top 75 NBA player for his career.

lol at "front office with championship pedigree". Yeah, thanks to #3.

[twix2500]

Simmons has negative trade value. Nets would have to give Heat and Blazers picks

Sent from my SM-G965U using Tapatalk

[MettaWorldPanda]

There is no scenario where Miami is taking back Ben Simmons here. Him and Dame make too much together. The HEAT would be over the 2nd apron once they signed the remaining roster slots and they are stuck with that team essentially for two seasons.

Yup

[AirP.]

What is that video supposed to show me? I don't need that video. We lived it just a few short years ago. Is your memory really that short?

Well if you watched the video you'd understand that the fan sentiment is far more visceral to their front office and ownership group that you seem to believe. This isn't about me expecting the front office to do Dame a solid and get a **** deal for him but about the overall incompetence of management there.

You're relating Wade's situation to Dame's and they couldn't be further apart. One situation had a front office with championship pedigree and a strong track record behind them and the other has the dumpster fire that POR has been with a top 75 NBA player for his career.

Portland wasn't a dumpster fire. They were a perennial playoff team that wasn't good enough. It's tough to win in playoffs when your two best players are small guards.
The stuff about Portland having to trade now cuz fans would turn on FO or Dame would poison the well for the young kids or this would turn off future FA agents is vastly overstated. It's all fanfic and has no impact on the trade negotiations. Training camp isn't for another a couple months so there's no incentive for Portland to make a deal right now and Dame doesn't have the leverage to force anything through.
Now if its gets to training camp and he threatens not to show up then it could create the toxic situation where they have to move him.
There's a chance the deal could be done soon but If I was Portland and I didn't like the offer from Heat I would drag it out as much as possible. So I expect this to go on for a while.

Vastly overstated? You're seeing the issues of keeping younger guys with an aging star here in Miami with Herro and Butler, look how split this board is on the issue. If Butler never forced his way to Miami the fanbase would be more behind keeping Herro and hoping for continued development.

[RexBoyWonder]

Again, NO OTHER TEAM is offering a massive super amazing package for a 33YO guard making 200Mil+ after he said he doesn't want to play for them.

NO TEAM ON EARTH.

Don't play yourself and don't outbid yourself.

[AirP.]

Again, NO OTHER TEAM is offering a massive super amazing package for a 33YO guard making 200Mil+ after he said he doesn't want to play for them.

NO TEAM ON EARTH.

Don't play yourself and don't outbid yourself.

Right, give a fair/good package, this isn't 28-30 year old Lillard, this is 33 year old Lilllard. This is also why I thought going out and getting Beal for nearly no assets was probably a better long term play for Miami, he'll be Lillard's age this season when his contract is over.

[CrossOver]

What is that video supposed to show me? I don't need that video. We lived it just a few short years ago. Is your memory really that short?

Well if you watched the video you'd understand that the fan sentiment is far more visceral to their front office and ownership group that you seem to believe. This isn't about me expecting the front office to do Dame a solid and get a **** deal for him but about the overall incompetence of management there.

You're relating Wade's situation to Dame's and they couldn't be further apart. One situation had a front office with championship pedigree and a strong track record behind them and the other has the dumpster fire that POR has been with a top 75 NBA player for his career.

lol at "front office with championship pedigree". Yeah, thanks to #3.

I mean when you don't understand that it's a co-dependent relationship you miss the point entirely so I guess there's nothing left to discuss here.

[HeatFan_NC]

About Simmons - (why are we even discussing him?) - He's broken not only mentally, but physically. He has sirous back issues. Those don't tend to go away.

Besides that - he's just an awful basketball fit - even in his prime. We can't have a 40Mil non shooter, it makes zero sense. If that cost of Lilard is taking Simmons - just don't bother getting Lilard and find another target.

We're not the desperate party here - stop trying to burn everything down and giving everything up just to get Lilard.

33 YO Lilard is not prime Wade, he's not our savoir and we don't need one.

You get a good deal or you move on.

I agree. One aging star is not going to put us over the top (i.e. Kyle Lowry). You need depth to win championships. In the Big 3 era, it wasn't our stars that brought home the chips. It was the role players (Mike Miller, James Jones, Zo, Ray Allen, Battier, Birdman, etc.). With the addition of a playmaking PG and a rebounding/defensive-minded big man, we can contend for the title next year. I think we have good depth with Martin, Highsmith, JJJ, and Jovic.

Forget about POR. Just try to trade Herro somewhere for a solid PG.

[HeatIn5]

Again, NO OTHER TEAM is offering a massive super amazing package for a 33YO guard making 200Mil+ after he said he doesn't want to play for them.

NO TEAM ON EARTH.

Don't play yourself and don't outbid yourself.

I’ve asked people in the GB 10 times to give me a better package that a team will realistically offer and I’ve only been met with silence

[Grumpy Heat Fan]

edit double post

[Flash4thewin]

Again, NO OTHER TEAM is offering a massive super amazing package for a 33YO guard making 200Mil+ after he said he doesn't want to play for them.

NO TEAM ON EARTH.

Don't play yourself and don't outbid yourself.

I’ve asked people in the GB 10 times to give me a better package that a team will realistically offer and I’ve only been met with silence

Well the first problem is we dont even know what the offer is. If it's Lowry + Herro + Jovic + Picks and Herro is rerouted to another team for expiring we are making a fair deal. If it Herro and Duncan then we are clearly not acting in good faith and thats an FU offer which Portland should reject. We just dont know.

[marson]

Dame wearing a Miami summer outfit and pointing to his clock on his IG story.

Just keep one of Jaquez or Jovic and we good.

[Grumpy Heat Fan]

Well the first problem is we dont even know what the offer is. If it's Lowry + Herro + Jovic + Picks and Herro is rerouted to another team for expiring we are making a fair deal. If it Herro and Duncan then we are clearly not acting in good faith and thats an FU offer which Portland should reject. We just dont know.

I’ve asked people in the GB 10 times to give me a better package that a team will realistically offer and I’ve only been met with silence

All reports so far out of Miami, have indicated that Riley negotiated in good faith with a fair offer, and did not try to fleece them. That would be the last thing we need, to piss off Portland any further than we already have, and make them entrench themselves into denying him to us

Riles did a fair offer for both sides.

It's up to them to reach "acceptance" stage of grief and send us Dame.

[3ammy3uck3ts]

Land of the free my ass, im trapped to my phone praying for the trade to come through every minute of every day. Am I supposed to sit out by the pool and get absolutely belligerent while having these thoughts in the back of my mind?! Obviously not.

Do you see what you’ve done Cronin?! You stolen freedom from Heat and Portland fans and have ruined our Independence Day. Hell, you’ve ruined it for the basketball world as a whole while everyone awaits the news in shambles and just devastated Miami is getting another star!!!

[Flash4thewin]

Well the first problem is we dont even know what the offer is. If it's Lowry + Herro + Jovic + Picks and Herro is rerouted to another team for expiring we are making a fair deal. If it Herro and Duncan then we are clearly not acting in good faith and thats an FU offer which Portland should reject. We just dont know.

I’ve asked people in the GB 10 times to give me a better package that a team will realistically offer and I’ve only been met with silence

All reports so far out of Miami, have indicated that Riley negotiated in good faith with a fair offer, and did not try to fleece them. That would be the last thing we need, to piss off Portland any further than we already have, and make them entrench themselves into denying him to us

Riles did a fair offer for both sides.

It's up to them to reach "acceptance" stage of grief and send us Dame.

All reports out of Miami would say we were offering a fair offer lol. We know how this works. If the offer was fair and even a slight over pay, this would have been done which is in our best interest. Thats why the first question im asking is what is the actual offer on the table.

[3ammy3uck3ts]

If Rat Riley finishes the job Bam started today and gets Dame here by the end of the day I’ll grab my ankles and let the old man blast my cheeks into oblivion

[3ammy3uck3ts]

Need this done asap so we don’t miss out on anymore guys, Beasley would’ve been a very solid cheap pickup and now he went to imo our biggest competitor in the East. I wonder if Gordon was another guy waiting?

These guys just can’t sit around and wait and hope Miami chooses them when they know their positions of need after, they have to take the jobs when they can.

If this was done on draft night I have a feeling our roster would be looking a lot different right now and the work would probably be done. Think we would’ve got some major bargain deals on some of these vets

[Grumpy Heat Fan]

Well the first problem is we dont even know what the offer is. If it's Lowry + Herro + Jovic + Picks and Herro is rerouted to another team for expiring we are making a fair deal. If it Herro and Duncan then we are clearly not acting in good faith and thats an FU offer which Portland should reject. We just dont know.

I’ve asked people in the GB 10 times to give me a better package that a team will realistically offer and I’ve only been met with silence

All reports so far out of Miami, have indicated that Riley negotiated in good faith with a fair offer, and did not try to fleece them. That would be the last thing we need, to piss off Portland any further than we already have, and make them entrench themselves into denying him to us

Riles did a fair offer for both sides.

It's up to them to reach "acceptance" stage of grief and send us Dame.

All reports out of Miami would say we were offering a fair offer lol. We know how this works. If the offer was fair and even a slight over pay, this would have been done which is in our best interest. Thats why the first question im asking is what is the actual offer on the table.

I have no idea what the offer is, but I believe the reports that say we are negotiating in good faith, and not trying to lowball.

It could be that Portland is just being petty.

[Flash4thewin]

If Rat Riley finishes the job Bam started today and gets Dame here by the end of the day I’ll grab my ankles and let the old man blast my cheeks into oblivion

Too much info

[CrossOver]

Well the first problem is we dont even know what the offer is. If it's Lowry + Herro + Jovic + Picks and Herro is rerouted to another team for expiring we are making a fair deal. If it Herro and Duncan then we are clearly not acting in good faith and thats an FU offer which Portland should reject. We just dont know.

I’ve asked people in the GB 10 times to give me a better package that a team will realistically offer and I’ve only been met with silence

All reports so far out of Miami, have indicated that Riley negotiated in good faith with a fair offer, and did not try to fleece them. That would be the last thing we need, to piss off Portland any further than we already have, and make them entrench themselves into denying him to us

Riles did a fair offer for both sides.

It's up to them to reach "acceptance" stage of grief and send us Dame.

All reports out of Miami would say we were offering a fair offer lol. We know how this works. If the offer was fair and even a slight over pay, this would have been done which is in our best interest. Thats why the first question im asking is what is the actual offer on the table.

Shams report last night pretty much gives us an idea of what is in the offer. It's essentially a multi-team deal involving BKN and maybe another team with multiple firsts being routed to POR. The problem is most likely involving what big salary contracts (Nurk/Simmons) go where.