Would you trade Maxey for Lillard? (Poll)

[Bum Adebayo]

It would be a win now move, but the problem is that Embiid + 33 y.o Lillard is not good enough to win a championship. Amazing Regular Season duo though, if that's all we care about.
I think the best would be to either trade Embiid, or just let him naturally decline with time while we make moves for the future instead of win now moves, you can't win with Embiid being an important player, he needs to play more of a tertiary role.

[Jhawk03]

Dame’s contract looks meh down the road. He can be good for a couple of years but him and Embiid are not getting past Boston or Mil or Miami.


People are missing the point. The KEY is for Embiid to change his playing style. If he still operates from the elbow, Jordan can’t save him.

If Embiid changing his playing style is the KEY (Nurse making it plausible), does that mean he CAN get past Boston or Mil or Miami?

It would be a win now move, but the problem is that Embiid + 33 y.o Lillard is not good enough to win a championship. Amazing Regular Season duo though, if that's all we care about.
I think the best would be to either trade Embiid, or just let him naturally decline with time while we make moves for the future instead of win now moves, you can't win with Embiid being an important player.

We're not getting Lillard, I'm convinced, every time I keep receipts to prove something, the opportunity to prove it never happens.

[Bum Adebayo]

I understand that this fanbase is not ready to trade Embiid, that's fine, but just don't make stupid short sighted moves, trading Maxey for Lillard is just trading the future for a mediocre present.

[mjkvol]

No - because I don't rate Lillard. Way past his best.

However I do want to trade Maxey - just not for Dame. I think he is seriously overrated and Sixers should cash in before he gets found out.

I don't know what is yet to be 'found out' about Maxey, but what we know already is that he is a 40% 3-pt. shooter on volume, a hard worker who has improved every season, has quickness that can't be taught, is an improving defender, and is only 22.

Good teams build around young talent like Maxey, while perennial playoff busts trade them along with all their draft capital chasing that elusive "2nd star", who inevitably ends up being an aging former star or an overrated stats compiler, and always on toxic contracts teams are trying to escape.

The result is continued playoff busts until there are no more Maxeys to trade. Then it is right back to the play-in/fake lottery treadmill. Which is exactly where all of these 'do the same thing over and expect it to be different this time' moves will take us.

[Arsenal]

I mean, we JUST traded for a 32-year-old FORMER MVP who was levels above what Dame Lillard ever was. And it didn't work.

So let's do it again with an even older, smaller, worse player with possibly the worst contract in the league for the next 4 years attached, this time giving away our last young stud on the rise.

Make it make sense.

[zaz102]

I can't do it. Time moves so fast in the NBA, that in a couple years I feel like Dame is going to looks like Beal/Harden is now (a couple steps slower) and Maxey is going to be on the rise on a cheaper contract. Feel like we've seen this play out too many times.

Plus we still have an expiring Harden and Harris go dangle/let expire for moves while also keeping Maxey.

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[Arsenal]

I can't do it. Time moves so fast in the NBA, that in a couple years I feel like Dame is going to looks like Beal/Harden is now (a couple steps slower) and Maxey is going to be on the rise on a cheaper contract. Feel like we've seen this play out too many times.

Plus we still have an expiring Harden and Harris go dangle/let expire for moves while also keeping Maxey.

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Exactly. Smart teams pay for FUTURE performance. Not past performance.

[Skates]

A trade for Dame involves losing Harden and Maxey plus another player just to match salary, with all of the third team assets from Harden going somewhere else ending up in Portland, which leaves you with Dame, Embiid, Tobias, Tucker and Melton as your core with no depth at all.

How exactly does that team remotely compete with Boston, Milwaukee or even Cleveland? It doesn’t score or defend nearly enough and gets blown out of the water the minute anyone goes to the bench or can’t play due to rest (on a team almost all30 or older) or injury, but other than that it’s freaking awesome.

[ProcessDoctor]

I mean, we JUST traded for a 32-year-old FORMER MVP who was levels above what Dame Lillard ever was. And it didn't work.

So let's do it again with an even older, smaller, worse player with possibly the worst contract in the league for the next 4 years attached, this time giving away our last young stud on the rise.

Make it make sense.

One big difference - Dame has played 10,000 fewer career minutes than Harden. I would probably liken a Dame acquisition to when Harden was traded to Brooklyn rather than to us.

I think the happy medium is turning Harden into a different 3rd banana to pair with Maxey/Embiid.

On the other hand, if we traded Maxey/Harden/Harris for Dame + *strong* depth/picks, I would also be happy. Dame in his current form would probably be the best co-star he's ever had.

[mjkvol]

I mean, we JUST traded for a 32-year-old FORMER MVP who was levels above what Dame Lillard ever was. And it didn't work.

So let's do it again with an even older, smaller, worse player with possibly the worst contract in the league for the next 4 years attached, this time giving away our last young stud on the rise.

Make it make sense.

One big difference - Dame has played 10,000 fewer career minutes than Harden. I would probably liken a Dame acquisition to when Harden was traded to Brooklyn rather than to us.

I think the happy medium is turning Harden into a different 3rd banana to pair with Maxey/Embiid.

On the other hand, if we traded Maxey/Harden/Harris for Dame + *strong* depth/picks, I would also be happy. Dame in his current form would probably be the best co-star he's ever had.

And it would still be a 2nd round exit team, which obviously would make many on here happy, so long as we "do something".

Why do we need to chase "bananas"? Why can't we just build a team properly with pieces that fit? I mean, who's the "3rd banana" on the Nuggets? Looked to me like it was a different guy every night.

[Arsenal]

I mean, we JUST traded for a 32-year-old FORMER MVP who was levels above what Dame Lillard ever was. And it didn't work.

So let's do it again with an even older, smaller, worse player with possibly the worst contract in the league for the next 4 years attached, this time giving away our last young stud on the rise.

Make it make sense.

One big difference - Dame has played 10,000 fewer career minutes than Harden. I would probably liken a Dame acquisition to when Harden was traded to Brooklyn rather than to us.

I think the happy medium is turning Harden into a different 3rd banana to pair with Maxey/Embiid.

On the other hand, if we traded Maxey/Harden/Harris for Dame + *strong* depth/picks, I would also be happy. Dame in his current form would probably be the best co-star he's ever had.

That 10,000 mins number is misleading because Harden came out of college two years earlier than Lillard did. So add the extra 2 years of college mins for Dame and it's much closer. Plus aging and losing athleticism is potentially a bigger problem for a smaller, quicker guy like Dame than it was for Harden, who is much bigger and never relied much on athleticism to begin with.

[ProcessDoctor]

I mean, we JUST traded for a 32-year-old FORMER MVP who was levels above what Dame Lillard ever was. And it didn't work.

So let's do it again with an even older, smaller, worse player with possibly the worst contract in the league for the next 4 years attached, this time giving away our last young stud on the rise.

Make it make sense.

One big difference - Dame has played 10,000 fewer career minutes than Harden. I would probably liken a Dame acquisition to when Harden was traded to Brooklyn rather than to us.

I think the happy medium is turning Harden into a different 3rd banana to pair with Maxey/Embiid.

On the other hand, if we traded Maxey/Harden/Harris for Dame + *strong* depth/picks, I would also be happy. Dame in his current form would probably be the best co-star he's ever had.

And it would still be a 2nd round exit team, which obviously would make many on here happy, so long as we "do something".

Why do we need to chase "bananas"? Why can't we just build a team properly with pieces that fit? I mean, who's the "3rd banana" on the Nuggets? Looked to me like it was a different guy every night.

Aaron Gordon on most nights. Doesn't necessarily mean pure scoring output.

Edit: I also don't think if we got Dame we'd automatically have no depth. Between Harden, Harris, and Maxey we'd get Dame + lots of depth just by merely looking at the money we'd be sending out. I'm not saying we do it, but I don't think Dame + Embiid + tremendous depth is a 2nd round team.

[ProcessDoctor]

I mean, we JUST traded for a 32-year-old FORMER MVP who was levels above what Dame Lillard ever was. And it didn't work.

So let's do it again with an even older, smaller, worse player with possibly the worst contract in the league for the next 4 years attached, this time giving away our last young stud on the rise.

Make it make sense.

One big difference - Dame has played 10,000 fewer career minutes than Harden. I would probably liken a Dame acquisition to when Harden was traded to Brooklyn rather than to us.

I think the happy medium is turning Harden into a different 3rd banana to pair with Maxey/Embiid.

On the other hand, if we traded Maxey/Harden/Harris for Dame + *strong* depth/picks, I would also be happy. Dame in his current form would probably be the best co-star he's ever had.

That 10,000 mins number is misleading because Harden came out of college two years earlier than Lillard did. So add the extra 2 years of college mins for Dame and it's much closer. Plus aging and losing athleticism is potentially a bigger problem for a smaller, quicker guy like Dame than it was for Harden, who is much bigger and never relied much on athleticism to begin with.

I mean the college schedule is cake compared to the NBA. You can't just equate 2 years of college to 2 years of NBA play.

[Arsenal]

One big difference - Dame has played 10,000 fewer career minutes than Harden. I would probably liken a Dame acquisition to when Harden was traded to Brooklyn rather than to us.

I think the happy medium is turning Harden into a different 3rd banana to pair with Maxey/Embiid.

On the other hand, if we traded Maxey/Harden/Harris for Dame + *strong* depth/picks, I would also be happy. Dame in his current form would probably be the best co-star he's ever had.

And it would still be a 2nd round exit team, which obviously would make many on here happy, so long as we "do something".

Why do we need to chase "bananas"? Why can't we just build a team properly with pieces that fit? I mean, who's the "3rd banana" on the Nuggets? Looked to me like it was a different guy every night.

Aaron Gordon on most nights. Doesn't necessarily mean pure scoring output.

Aaron Gordon is the same tier of player as Tobias Harris. So the point mjkvol makes is a good one. Denver had only 2 "stars" and a bunch of complimentary role players that are young and athletic surrounding them. They just had a dominant title run with that roster construction yet these Dame lovers can't seem to grasp that's a good way to build a roster.

[mjkvol]

One big difference - Dame has played 10,000 fewer career minutes than Harden. I would probably liken a Dame acquisition to when Harden was traded to Brooklyn rather than to us.

I think the happy medium is turning Harden into a different 3rd banana to pair with Maxey/Embiid.

On the other hand, if we traded Maxey/Harden/Harris for Dame + *strong* depth/picks, I would also be happy. Dame in his current form would probably be the best co-star he's ever had.

And it would still be a 2nd round exit team, which obviously would make many on here happy, so long as we "do something".

Why do we need to chase "bananas"? Why can't we just build a team properly with pieces that fit? I mean, who's the "3rd banana" on the Nuggets? Looked to me like it was a different guy every night.

Aaron Gordon on most nights. Doesn't necessarily mean pure scoring output.

A brilliant pickup of a young 'second chance' guy. Those are the ones I want us to go after, not tired, aging, overpaid former stars and chuckers on bad contracts.

[Arsenal]

One big difference - Dame has played 10,000 fewer career minutes than Harden. I would probably liken a Dame acquisition to when Harden was traded to Brooklyn rather than to us.

I think the happy medium is turning Harden into a different 3rd banana to pair with Maxey/Embiid.

On the other hand, if we traded Maxey/Harden/Harris for Dame + *strong* depth/picks, I would also be happy. Dame in his current form would probably be the best co-star he's ever had.

That 10,000 mins number is misleading because Harden came out of college two years earlier than Lillard did. So add the extra 2 years of college mins for Dame and it's much closer. Plus aging and losing athleticism is potentially a bigger problem for a smaller, quicker guy like Dame than it was for Harden, who is much bigger and never relied much on athleticism to begin with.

I mean the college schedule is cake compared to the NBA. You can't just equate 2 years of college to 2 years of NBA play.

it's not like he wasn't playing ball when he wasn't playing games. You do realize these guys play ball nonstop, right?

[ProcessDoctor]

And it would still be a 2nd round exit team, which obviously would make many on here happy, so long as we "do something".

Why do we need to chase "bananas"? Why can't we just build a team properly with pieces that fit? I mean, who's the "3rd banana" on the Nuggets? Looked to me like it was a different guy every night.

Aaron Gordon on most nights. Doesn't necessarily mean pure scoring output.

Aaron Gordon is the same tier of player as Tobias Harris. So the point mjkvol makes is a good one. Denver had only 2 "stars" and a bunch of complimentary role players that are young and athletic surrounding them. They just had a dominant title run with that roster construction yet these Dame lovers can't seem to grasp that's a good way to build a roster.

I think the flaw here is people are assuming Maxey will be Jamal Murray next season just because Denver just won with Murray and Jokic. Murray is 26 and just entering his prime while Maxey is only 22. It's a lot to ask a 22-year-old to be the 2nd best player on a championship team.

[Arsenal]

And it would still be a 2nd round exit team, which obviously would make many on here happy, so long as we "do something".

Why do we need to chase "bananas"? Why can't we just build a team properly with pieces that fit? I mean, who's the "3rd banana" on the Nuggets? Looked to me like it was a different guy every night.

Aaron Gordon on most nights. Doesn't necessarily mean pure scoring output.

A brilliant pickup of a 'second chance' guy. Those are the ones I want us to go after, not tired, aging, overpaid former stars and chuckers on bad contracts.

Exactly. Gordon was a good bet because he was still YOUNG and ATHLETIC when the Nugs took a chance on him. We need to bring in young, athletic guys, not washed former or soon-to-be former stars.

[Arsenal]

Aaron Gordon on most nights. Doesn't necessarily mean pure scoring output.

Aaron Gordon is the same tier of player as Tobias Harris. So the point mjkvol makes is a good one. Denver had only 2 "stars" and a bunch of complimentary role players that are young and athletic surrounding them. They just had a dominant title run with that roster construction yet these Dame lovers can't seem to grasp that's a good way to build a roster.

I think the flaw here is people are assuming Maxey will be Jamal Murray next season just because Denver just won with Murray and Jokic. Murray is 26 and just entering his prime while Maxey is only 22. It's a lot to ask a 22-year-old to be the 2nd best player on a championship team.

I think the real flaw here is that people are ridiculously overestimating the chances of a 33-year-old Dame + Embiid winning a title if Maxey has to go in the deal.

Why do we have to sacrifice our future for a (maybe) slightly better chance next year, then probably a worse chance every year after?

[ProcessDoctor]

Aaron Gordon is the same tier of player as Tobias Harris. So the point mjkvol makes is a good one. Denver had only 2 "stars" and a bunch of complimentary role players that are young and athletic surrounding them. They just had a dominant title run with that roster construction yet these Dame lovers can't seem to grasp that's a good way to build a roster.

I think the flaw here is people are assuming Maxey will be Jamal Murray next season just because Denver just won with Murray and Jokic. Murray is 26 and just entering his prime while Maxey is only 22. It's a lot to ask a 22-year-old to be the 2nd best player on a championship team.

I think the real flaw here is that people are ridiculously overestimating the chances of a 33-year-old Dame + Embiid winning a title if Maxey has to go in the deal.

Why do we have to sacrifice our future for a (maybe) slightly better chance next year, then probably a worse chance every year after?

Genuine question: how many years do you think Embiid has left as an MVP-caliber player?