Miami Heat Offseason Thread 7.0: 3ammy vs Cronin, Winner Takes Dame!!

[Spacely]

Dame does not want to play with the Celtics at all he even said it

Kawhi didn’t want Toronto, Paul George didn’t want OKC. The fact of the matter is Dame doesn’t have a NTC, he doesn’t really have an option here. Portland isn’t some FA destination, they can’t afford to lose someone like Dame for a guy like Herro that they don’t want or need.

As much as we want him here, it’s pure BS that a guy can lie through his teeth about being loyal, about not wanting to run from the grind, then sign a supermax 60mil per season, demand a trade to ONE team, the team that just happened to be in the finals. The players are getting out of hand, you guys are just ok with it because Miami is the team listed.

Dame is up for grabs and Miami simply does not have the assets to get him or anyone of his caliber here. Portland doesnt owe us a thing, and if they traded him here for a Herro then they simply put are a terrible organization.

Kawhi was an expiring and bolted right when that contract was up. You gave one example of Paul George but failed to mention KD & Harden who have been traded to teams they wanted to. KD got traded for role players and 4 FRPs so not that good of a haul for that caliber player.

Lillard has been with that team for 11 years, so yes he has leverage in going where he wants because of the longevity he has had with that team. What message will it send to other players the acquire and draft if they pull a move like this?

So KD’s trade was decent but Herro (20ppg scorer),Lowry (expiring) Caleb and 2 FRPs (potentially 3 or 4 depending on okc and nets) isn’t good enough? Yeah right.

[Bourne85]

Dame does not want to play with the Celtics at all he even said it

Kawhi didn’t want Toronto, Paul George didn’t want OKC. The fact of the matter is Dame doesn’t have a NTC, he doesn’t really have an option here. Portland isn’t some FA destination, they can’t afford to lose someone like Dame for a guy like Herro that they don’t want or need.

As much as we want him here, it’s pure BS that a guy can lie through his teeth about being loyal, about not wanting to run from the grind, then sign a supermax 60mil per season, demand a trade to ONE team, the team that just happened to be in the finals. The players are getting out of hand, you guys are just ok with it because Miami is the team listed.

Dame is up for grabs and Miami simply does not have the assets to get him or anyone of his caliber here. Portland doesnt owe us a thing, and if they traded him here for a Herro then they simply put are a terrible organization.

Lol dude just stop

Just stop being a non bias homer?
I’m not like that, I see things for what they are. Just picture this “Dame has demanded a trade to the Lakers”. Now Portland has to accept Deangelo Russel and Hachimura plus any other over paid scrub on the team. Every single person here would be sounding like the guys on the GB how this is pure bs, how lebron always gets what he wants, why watch this fraternity sport etc.

Take off the homer glasses and realize it’s BS. We don’t have assets to deserve a guy like Dame. This would simply be a gift wrapped present to us and that’s the only reason everyone here jumping for joy. Tyler Herro is not landing Dame or Curry or KD or any top end player on the open market. This is bully tactics plain and simple.

[jdawg2593]

Dame does not want to play with the Celtics at all he even said it

Kawhi didn’t want Toronto, Paul George didn’t want OKC. The fact of the matter is Dame doesn’t have a NTC, he doesn’t really have an option here. Portland isn’t some FA destination, they can’t afford to lose someone like Dame for a guy like Herro that they don’t want or need.

As much as we want him here, it’s pure BS that a guy can lie through his teeth about being loyal, about not wanting to run from the grind, then sign a supermax 60mil per season, demand a trade to ONE team, the team that just happened to be in the finals. The players are getting out of hand, you guys are just ok with it because Miami is the team listed.

Dame is up for grabs and Miami simply does not have the assets to get him or anyone of his caliber here. Portland doesnt owe us a thing, and if they traded him here for a Herro then they simply put are a terrible organization.

Lol dude just stop

Right. Like stfu bruh.

[MorbidHEAT]

This Ben Simmons thing. I have no doubt that we can restore him to what he was and we would be extremely dangerous. Having said that, Jimmy dislikes him. That isn’t a huge deal because I believe Jimmy will do whatever to win. However, is that even mathematically possible? All of our salary cap would essentially go to 4 players and that is second apron for sure. Plus, aren’t Bam and Ben both on rookie deals so they can’t be traded to whatever team Bam is on? I have no interest in Ben on the Heat, so I’m just asking for the sake of conversation.

[insfo]

This Ben Simmons thing. I have no doubt that we can restore him to what he was and we would be extremely dangerous. Having said that, Jimmy dislikes him. That isn’t a huge deal because I believe Jimmy will do whatever to win. However, is that even mathematically possible? All of our salary cap would essentially go to 4 players and that is second apron for sure. Plus, aren’t Bam and Ben both on rookie deals so they can’t be traded to whatever team Bam is on? I have no interest in Ben on the Heat, so I’m just asking for the sake of conversation.

Since we drafted Bam, we could technically trade for Ben. Actually Herro might be in the same boat as Bam (designated rookie max), so trading Herro out on the deal might be a requirement. And someone worked the cap numbers and found that we'd be exactly in the same situation as we are now

Edit: Actually the new CBA might have just done away with this restriction altogether. Free for all

[Spacely]

Herro worth Atleast 1 or 2 FRPs
Lowry worth Atleast 1 FRP
Caleb worth Atleast 1or 2 FRPs
Plus two MIA FRPs = Atleast* 5-7 FRPs

Dude is delusional

[Lilseb93]

Heat fans really should avoid the GB in terms of anything related to Dame. It's not worth the effort. I couldn't waste my holiday arguing with people.

[batterybro42]

This Ben Simmons thing. I have no doubt that we can restore him to what he was and we would be extremely dangerous. Having said that, Jimmy dislikes him. That isn’t a huge deal because I believe Jimmy will do whatever to win. However, is that even mathematically possible? All of our salary cap would essentially go to 4 players and that is second apron for sure. Plus, aren’t Bam and Ben both on rookie deals so they can’t be traded to whatever team Bam is on? I have no interest in Ben on the Heat, so I’m just asking for the sake of conversation.

The cap numbers work we will be capped regardless if we take on a Simmons deal or not. I think taking on Simmons is the only viable way you keep 2/3 of Martin, JJJ, and Jovic my preference would be to give up Martin.

The numbers work because you’re shedding Lowry, Robinson, and Herro that’s A LOT of money

Simmons
Dame
Butler
Bam
Jovic
Richardson
Love
JJJ
Bryant
Robinson

Fill out the rest of the roster with minimums and buyout guys for the next two years.

[insfo]

Herro worth Atleast 1 or 2 FRPs
Lowry worth Atleast 1 FRP
Caleb worth Atleast 1or 2 FRPs
Plus two MIA FRPs = Atleast* 5-7 FRPs

Dude is delusional

Lowry will need a pick attached to trade him now. Caleb might garner 1 FRP, but most likely a couple of seconds. In this bizarro world, the person I feel needs to have the most trade value (Herro) seems to be getting crapped on the most in these offers

[Spacely]

Herro worth Atleast 1 or 2 FRPs
Lowry worth Atleast 1 FRP
Caleb worth Atleast 1or 2 FRPs
Plus two MIA FRPs = Atleast* 5-7 FRPs

Dude is delusional

Lowry will need a pick attached to trade him now. Caleb might garner 1 FRP, but most likely a couple of seconds. In this bizarro world, the person I feel needs to have the most trade value (Herro) seems to be getting crapped on the most in these offers

An expiring is not gonna need a pick attached
Caleb a couple seconds? Please lol

[batterybro42]

Herro worth Atleast 1 or 2 FRPs
Lowry worth Atleast 1 FRP
Caleb worth Atleast 1or 2 FRPs
Plus two MIA FRPs = Atleast* 5-7 FRPs

Dude is delusional

Lowry will need a pick attached to trade him now. Caleb might garner 1 FRP, but most likely a couple of seconds. In this bizarro world, the person I feel needs to have the most trade value (Herro) seems to be getting crapped on the most in these offers

Herro ain’t bad and if we did have to run this squad back it would be fun to watch. To me Jovic is untouchable I now know why Riley said in his intro press event that his jersey would be in the rafters one day. That’s a damn diamond in the rough we found, he has the tools and carries himself like a damn star.

It’s a good time to be a Heat fan when our worst case scenario is an overall young core in immediate conference contention. That being said since Riley got here it’s been a good time to be a Heat fan most of the time.

[gom]

Getting Dame here now down to 35% imo. If Jaylen Brown is on the table then it’s pretty much over unless Dame states he will not play etc which I doubt he will go that route

Who said Jaylen brown is on the table?

We all have no idea but if the Celtics and Brown are at an impasse with the contract extensions a trade is not out of the open. Brown wants to get paid period, what team pays is immaterial.

Full stop.

He is an expiring being sent to Portland. The Blazers aren't that dumb. Brown must sign the supermax with Boston and then be traded to put him in the same jail as Dame. Want to know how that's going to go? Everyone is watching Portland and Cronin now. Who will want to play there?

[Flash4thewin]

Who said Jaylen brown is on the table?

We all have no idea but if the Celtics and Brown are at an impasse with the contract extensions a trade is not out of the open. Brown wants to get paid period, what team pays is immaterial.

Full stop.

He is an expiring being sent to Portland. The Blazers aren't that dumb. Brown must sign the supermax with Boston and then be traded to put him in the same jail as Dame. Want to know how that's going to go? Everyone is watching Portland and Cronin now. Who will want to play there?

Who would want to play there. Why would anyone want to play there. Oh yea thats right, something call money

[Spacely]

Who said Jaylen brown is on the table?

We all have no idea but if the Celtics and Brown are at an impasse with the contract extensions a trade is not out of the open. Brown wants to get paid period, what team pays is immaterial.

Full stop.

He is an expiring being sent to Portland. The Blazers aren't that dumb. Brown must sign the supermax with Boston and then be traded to put him in the same jail as Dame. Want to know how that's going to go? Everyone is watching Portland and Cronin now. Who will want to play there?

You made an excellent point, let’s say they do trade dame to another team besides the Heat for a star player. Why should that star even want to stay knowing the trail blazers treat their star players like chit?

[_GH0ST_]

I'm happy because we will win all way. If we get Lillard we will be the best team in the league. If we don't get him; even if the Butler is washed a few years later, we will have a great core with Herro-Jaquez-Jovic-Bam.

[Spacely]

We all have no idea but if the Celtics and Brown are at an impasse with the contract extensions a trade is not out of the open. Brown wants to get paid period, what team pays is immaterial.

Full stop.

He is an expiring being sent to Portland. The Blazers aren't that dumb. Brown must sign the supermax with Boston and then be traded to put him in the same jail as Dame. Want to know how that's going to go? Everyone is watching Portland and Cronin now. Who will want to play there?

Who would want to play there. Why would anyone want to play there. Oh yea thats right, something call money

29 Other teams have money too nice try though

[gom]

We all have no idea but if the Celtics and Brown are at an impasse with the contract extensions a trade is not out of the open. Brown wants to get paid period, what team pays is immaterial.

Full stop.

He is an expiring being sent to Portland. The Blazers aren't that dumb. Brown must sign the supermax with Boston and then be traded to put him in the same jail as Dame. Want to know how that's going to go? Everyone is watching Portland and Cronin now. Who will want to play there?

Who would want to play there. Why would anyone want to play there. Oh yea thats right, something call money

29 other teams deal in this currency too. Portland already is a bad team for free agents.

[gom]

Full stop.

He is an expiring being sent to Portland. The Blazers aren't that dumb. Brown must sign the supermax with Boston and then be traded to put him in the same jail as Dame. Want to know how that's going to go? Everyone is watching Portland and Cronin now. Who will want to play there?

Who would want to play there. Why would anyone want to play there. Oh yea thats right, something call money

29 Other teams have money too nice try though

LOL. We had the same answer!

Thank you!

[ShulaDon92]

I think we have successfully hoodwinked the league into thinking we are doing everybody a favor by taking on Ben Simmons. I will go completely on the record in saying I’m a massive fan of the move. The sticker value of his contract might give you pause, but we’d be capped regardless. Give Spo somebody like Simmons to play around with, he will find his niche with this team. Not expecting superstar greatness, but I am expecting a guy with new confidence playing within a scheme that actually knows how to utilize his talents. He fits exactly the mold of what Spo wants in a 4 defensively at an elite level. He naturally fits in the dribble hand off game offensively.

He gives us a rebounding and paint presence that we haven’t had on the floor alongside Bam ever. I think he can do a lot of the things Aaron Gordon did for the Nuggets, and it would force most teams to play us with two bigs.

Simmons is a hand and glove fit even in his current state with the potential that he regains his confidence in the Heat culture, and starts balling out. I’d welcome him to Miami with open arms. It would be one of the greatest heists of our time, especially if it allows us to retain JJJ and Jovic

This is delusional to the point of needing to be taken with a straight jacket. Dude literally couldn't get on the floor with a lotto nets team

No, sir

-SHULA

Bad Coaching can do that to a player. This is a guy who has elite tools who has been forced to develop like a guard. Treat his big ass like a 4 that has the ability to handle the ball. A guy like Simmons just needs structure, and a solid environment around him. Jimmy has played with him he knows better than anybody

Simmons is a guy who is 26 and has averaged 14/8/8 on 56% shooting for his career. We wouldn’t be asking him to be the 2nd or even 3rd option. Ben Simmons we are asking you to be the dirty glue guy, a role I think he’s about willing to accept. I’m all on the Simmons rebrand in Miami

Last thing I want to say is that if I know anything about Miami Heat basketball is that they get everybody on their roster playing with crazy confidence. Nobody is afraid to shoot, or make a play, it’s an infectious deal. You are not going to convince me that all the tools that made Simmons a 3 time all star career in his first 4 years just disappeared. He’s having a career altering identity crisis, it can be fixed with CONFIDENCE.

Nope. Not when you have Jovi here. Why even take on a project like that? We are not a psyche ward or a hospital for injured vets like dipo. Sorry dipo. Enough w these projects. Why do this to yourself?

Make no moves

-SHULA

[batterybro42]

We all have no idea but if the Celtics and Brown are at an impasse with the contract extensions a trade is not out of the open. Brown wants to get paid period, what team pays is immaterial.

Full stop.

He is an expiring being sent to Portland. The Blazers aren't that dumb. Brown must sign the supermax with Boston and then be traded to put him in the same jail as Dame. Want to know how that's going to go? Everyone is watching Portland and Cronin now. Who will want to play there?

You made an excellent point, let’s say they do trade dame to another team besides the Heat for a star player. Why should that star even want to stay knowing the trail blazers treat their star players like chit?

It’s not Portland that will have that issue it’s their GM. They can just fire that guy lol

Riley has backed that dude into a real corner. Is it tampering? Probably, but you young bucks take note this is how a boss moves. Cronin can either play ball now, or be forever marred as a GM in this league and probably not be able to get another job after this. He’s in a lose lose situation.

He can dig his heels in and be defiant, it certainly won’t benefit him in the long run as far as he’s concerned.