Miami Heat Offseason Thread 7.0: 3ammy vs Cronin, Winner Takes Dame!!

[IceColdCubano]

Dude is being real here in his first couple of minutes....There's a lot of truth into what he says.

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[AirP.]

Portland wasn't a dumpster fire. They were a perennial playoff team that wasn't good enough. It's tough to win in playoffs when your two best players are small guards.
The stuff about Portland having to trade now cuz fans would turn on FO or Dame would poison the well for the young kids or this would turn off future FA agents is vastly overstated. It's all fanfic and has no impact on the trade negotiations. Training camp isn't for another a couple months so there's no incentive for Portland to make a deal right now and Dame doesn't have the leverage to force anything through.
Now if its gets to training camp and he threatens not to show up then it could create the toxic situation where they have to move him.
There's a chance the deal could be done soon but If I was Portland and I didn't like the offer from Heat I would drag it out as much as possible. So I expect this to go on for a while.

Vastly overstated? You're seeing the issues of keeping younger guys with an aging star here in Miami with Herro and Butler, look how split this board is on the issue. If Butler never forced his way to Miami the fanbase would be more behind keeping Herro and hoping for continued development.

What issues ? This is just the anti Herro fanbase. Riley wants to win now and Herro salary is the best way to make it happen don't mean they are issues. Issues would be player discontentment, chemistry problems or offcourt stuff. None of that over here. They want to improve. If they could do it with the older players in Duncan/Lowry and keep Herro they would

And Portland is a different situation. They are not in a win now mode. If Dame stays and they get bounced in play in, they'd be ok with that or if he goes and they get a lottery pick. Very few teams operate in the championship or bust mentality

There would only be problems if Dame actively sought to sabotage the locker room. And judging from afar from his character that's not something he would do.

It would be uncomfortable if this gets to training camp but if Dame stays a professional it's not something that would force Portland to make a trade they don't want to

But I think it gets resolved before then but not today or in the next couple days. It might take a week or a couple for Portland to try generate more trade interests from other teams. If that fails, they might circle back to Heat. But they don't have to make a move now, they can afford to let this sit for a while

What issues? Trying to win while trying to develop players who eat up a significant portion of the cap which can spilt a fan base. I'm not comparing players, I'm comparing situations of an older star wanting to win vs a team not going all in/not cashing in on potential and instead developing a player for down the road.

[Spacely]

Full stop.

He is an expiring being sent to Portland. The Blazers aren't that dumb. Brown must sign the supermax with Boston and then be traded to put him in the same jail as Dame. Want to know how that's going to go? Everyone is watching Portland and Cronin now. Who will want to play there?

You made an excellent point, let’s say they do trade dame to another team besides the Heat for a star player. Why should that star even want to stay knowing the trail blazers treat their star players like chit?

It’s not Portland that will have that issue it’s their GM. They can just fire that guy lol

Riley has backed that dude into a real corner. Is it tampering? Probably, but you young bucks take note this is how a boss moves. Cronin can either play ball now, or be forever marred as a GM in this league and probably not be able to get another job after this. He’s in a lose lose situation.

He can dig his heels in and be defiant, it certainly won’t benefit him in the long run as far as he’s concerned.

GM still has to get approval from the bigger top dogs let’s be real here

[heatlejuice]

Kawhi didn’t want Toronto, Paul George didn’t want OKC. The fact of the matter is Dame doesn’t have a NTC, he doesn’t really have an option here. Portland isn’t some FA destination, they can’t afford to lose someone like Dame for a guy like Herro that they don’t want or need.

As much as we want him here, it’s pure BS that a guy can lie through his teeth about being loyal, about not wanting to run from the grind, then sign a supermax 60mil per season, demand a trade to ONE team, the team that just happened to be in the finals. The players are getting out of hand, you guys are just ok with it because Miami is the team listed.

Dame is up for grabs and Miami simply does not have the assets to get him or anyone of his caliber here. Portland doesnt owe us a thing, and if they traded him here for a Herro then they simply put are a terrible organization.

Lol dude just stop

Just stop being a non bias homer?
I’m not like that, I see things for what they are. Just picture this “Dame has demanded a trade to the Lakers”. Now Portland has to accept Deangelo Russel and Hachimura plus any other over paid scrub on the team. Every single person here would be sounding like the guys on the GB how this is pure bs, how lebron always gets what he wants, why watch this fraternity sport etc.

Take off the homer glasses and realize it’s BS. We don’t have assets to deserve a guy like Dame. This would simply be a gift wrapped present to us and that’s the only reason everyone here jumping for joy. Tyler Herro is not landing Dame or Curry or KD or any top end player on the open market. This is bully tactics plain and simple.

Objectively speaking, your posts have been some of the most negative I've seen on this forum. That can't be fun for you can it?

I say 80% chance we get Dame but anything can happen.

The real question though, if we do get Dame, are you gonna stop or will you find something else to be super negative about?

[Flash4thewin]

Who would want to play there. Why would anyone want to play there. Oh yea thats right, something call money

29 Other teams have money too nice try though

LOL. We had the same answer!

Thank you!

Teams like Portland will always over pay and thats how they get people to play there. That was know from the beginning. Players go for the money. Vincent could have stayed here, a team that went to the eastern finals 3 out of 4 times. Who wouldn't want to live here right? Dude went for the money. Saying 29 other teams have money sounds great, are those teams going to pay the price player X wants? No, but teams like Portland will so guess where player x will go? It's not rocket science here guys. Thats even assuming all 29 teams have the same exact amount of cap space which they won't. So saying players won't to Portland makes as much sense as Harden not going to a strip club or Cronin not having some quality time with the corner office plant.

[twix2500]

Dude is being real here in his first couple of minutes....There's a lot of truth into what he says.

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The reason teams who drafted a star won in this league is because they had the luxury of time oppose to trading for a star or signing a star. When you trade or sign a star, time is not a luxury.

It took 8 years for Nuggets to win with their drafted star. Kobe won his chip becuse the Lakers signed a star to lead the team named Shaq. Took Kobe 10 years to win as the leader of his team. Cavs won with their drafted star being a free agent. Raptors won with a free agent star. Lakers won with two free agent stars. How many years did it take for Curry etc...

Nets time wasnt on their side

[3ammy3uck3ts]

Simmer the fuxk down, thanks

[Rapaz]

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[heatlejuice]

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[Bourne85]

Lol dude just stop

Just stop being a non bias homer?
I’m not like that, I see things for what they are. Just picture this “Dame has demanded a trade to the Lakers”. Now Portland has to accept Deangelo Russel and Hachimura plus any other over paid scrub on the team. Every single person here would be sounding like the guys on the GB how this is pure bs, how lebron always gets what he wants, why watch this fraternity sport etc.

Take off the homer glasses and realize it’s BS. We don’t have assets to deserve a guy like Dame. This would simply be a gift wrapped present to us and that’s the only reason everyone here jumping for joy. Tyler Herro is not landing Dame or Curry or KD or any top end player on the open market. This is bully tactics plain and simple.

Objectively speaking, your posts have been some of the most negative I've seen on this forum. That can't be fun for you can it?

I say 80% chance we get Dame but anything can happen.

The real question though, if we do get Dame, are you gonna stop or will you find something else to be super negative about?

To you it’s negative, to me it’s realistic. I’m a heat fan, but I’m not a blind homer. Herro for Dame wouldn’t even fly on NBA 2k with trade override on

[Bourne85]

29 Other teams have money too nice try though

LOL. We had the same answer!

Thank you!

Teams like Portland will always over pay and thats how they get people to play there. That was know from the beginning. Players go for the money. Vincent could have stayed here, a team that went to the eastern finals 3 out of 4 times. Who wouldn't want to live here right? Dude went for the money. Saying 29 other teams have money sounds great, are those teams going to pay the price player X wants? No, but teams like Portland will so guess where player x will go? It's not rocket science here guys. Thats even assuming all 29 teams have the same exact amount of cap space which they won't. So saying players won't to Portland makes as much sense as Harden not going to a strip club or Cronin not having some quality time with the corner office plant.

Pple would risk their lives to rob banks for a few thousands, yet they think they wouldn’t play basketball in Portland for 200mil or even 10mil it’s simply put more blind homerism.

[Spacely]

Just stop being a non bias homer?
I’m not like that, I see things for what they are. Just picture this “Dame has demanded a trade to the Lakers”. Now Portland has to accept Deangelo Russel and Hachimura plus any other over paid scrub on the team. Every single person here would be sounding like the guys on the GB how this is pure bs, how lebron always gets what he wants, why watch this fraternity sport etc.

Take off the homer glasses and realize it’s BS. We don’t have assets to deserve a guy like Dame. This would simply be a gift wrapped present to us and that’s the only reason everyone here jumping for joy. Tyler Herro is not landing Dame or Curry or KD or any top end player on the open market. This is bully tactics plain and simple.

Objectively speaking, your posts have been some of the most negative I've seen on this forum. That can't be fun for you can it?

I say 80% chance we get Dame but anything can happen.

The real question though, if we do get Dame, are you gonna stop or will you find something else to be super negative about?

To you it’s negative, to me it’s realistic. I’m a heat fan, but I’m not a blind homer. Herro for Dame wouldn’t even fly on NBA 2k with trade override on

Does players on 2k demand trades to specific teams

Would Mikal Bridges, Cam Johnson, and 4 FRPs work for KD in 2k too???

[3ammy3uck3ts]

Dame: I don’t want to play anywhere else but Miami, if anyone else sends an offer and tries to trade for me we will be at an impasse and I will refuse to play and give back money. I have no desire to play for teams like OKC Boston and Utah who have racist fans and the Sixers rumors are funny like y’all think I’m going to leave Portland to go play with a fluke MVP and career choke artist who’s never been passed the 2nd round over Bam. Y’all got me fuxked up I’m
Playing with my Patna Bam and Jimmy in Miami and ONLY MIAMI!! No one else try to trade for me, I WILL NOT PLAY ANYWHERE BUT MIAMI!!

Heat fans reaction: OMFG WE LOST HIM HES GOING TO GO TO CHARLOTTE AND PLAY FOR STEPH CURRYS HOMETOWN TEAM TO SHOW HES THE BEST PG IN THAT AREA THEY HAVE MORE PICKS THAN US AND LAMELO IS WAY BETTER THAN HERRO WERE SCREWED!!!!!!!!!!

[Kobewade11]

Just stop being a non bias homer?
I’m not like that, I see things for what they are. Just picture this “Dame has demanded a trade to the Lakers”. Now Portland has to accept Deangelo Russel and Hachimura plus any other over paid scrub on the team. Every single person here would be sounding like the guys on the GB how this is pure bs, how lebron always gets what he wants, why watch this fraternity sport etc.

Take off the homer glasses and realize it’s BS. We don’t have assets to deserve a guy like Dame. This would simply be a gift wrapped present to us and that’s the only reason everyone here jumping for joy. Tyler Herro is not landing Dame or Curry or KD or any top end player on the open market. This is bully tactics plain and simple.

Objectively speaking, your posts have been some of the most negative I've seen on this forum. That can't be fun for you can it?

I say 80% chance we get Dame but anything can happen.

The real question though, if we do get Dame, are you gonna stop or will you find something else to be super negative about?

To you it’s negative, to me it’s realistic. I’m a heat fan, but I’m not a blind homer. Herro for Dame wouldn’t even fly on NBA 2k with trade override on

It isnt Herro for Dame. Part of being realistic is not mischaracterizing the trade package to suit a narrative.

[contract]

An expiring is not gonna need a pick attached

It literally just happened with Dipo.

The Heat are sending two second-round draft picks to the Oklahoma City Thunder to facilitate the offloading of Victor Oladipo's contract.

— Ira Winderman (@IraHeatBeat)

[Spacely]

An expiring is not gonna need a pick attached

It literally just happened with Dipo.

The Heat are sending two second-round draft picks to the Oklahoma City Thunder to facilitate the offloading of Victor Oladipo's contract.

— Ira Winderman (@IraHeatBeat)

Lowrys expiring is 30 million my dude and is that a first round pick?

[Bourne85]

Objectively speaking, your posts have been some of the most negative I've seen on this forum. That can't be fun for you can it?

I say 80% chance we get Dame but anything can happen.

The real question though, if we do get Dame, are you gonna stop or will you find something else to be super negative about?

To you it’s negative, to me it’s realistic. I’m a heat fan, but I’m not a blind homer. Herro for Dame wouldn’t even fly on NBA 2k with trade override on

It isnt Herro for Dame. Part of being realistic is not mischaracterizing the trade package to suit a narrative.

You’re right, Herro plus a couple late draft picks, plus fat Lowry “expiring” that they can waste on not anyone good as no one ever chooses Portland. What else? Jovic? Unproven untouchable Heat player that was so good he couldn’t step on the court last season?? Trade away the entire team minus Jimmy and Bam and the trade is still a lopsided unfair bully tactic trade.

[gom]

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[contract]

An expiring is not gonna need a pick attached

It literally just happened with Dipo.

The Heat are sending two second-round draft picks to the Oklahoma City Thunder to facilitate the offloading of Victor Oladipo's contract.

— Ira Winderman (@IraHeatBeat)

Lowrys expiring is 30 million my dude and is that a first round pick?

It may require one, yeah. Especially since so few teams could absorb that contract without sending any players back.

[MorbidHEAT]

This Ben Simmons thing. I have no doubt that we can restore him to what he was and we would be extremely dangerous. Having said that, Jimmy dislikes him. That isn’t a huge deal because I believe Jimmy will do whatever to win. However, is that even mathematically possible? All of our salary cap would essentially go to 4 players and that is second apron for sure. Plus, aren’t Bam and Ben both on rookie deals so they can’t be traded to whatever team Bam is on? I have no interest in Ben on the Heat, so I’m just asking for the sake of conversation.

The cap numbers work we will be capped regardless if we take on a Simmons deal or not. I think taking on Simmons is the only viable way you keep 2/3 of Martin, JJJ, and Jovic my preference would be to give up Martin.

The numbers work because you’re shedding Lowry, Robinson, and Herro that’s A LOT of money

Simmons
Dame
Butler
Bam
Jovic
Richardson
Love
JJJ
Bryant
Robinson

Fill out the rest of the roster with minimums and buyout guys for the next two years.

If that can actually work financially, then it wouldn’t be an awful idea, assuming Ben and Jimmy can get along. I mean it wouldn’t be a preference, but if it can be the difference between Dame or not, then it has to be seriously considered. Ben probably has like 2 more years left on his deal? In terms of expirings, everybody is in the same timeline, more or less. It also means that it would be Bkn that would be sending a lot of assets to Portland since we are eating the Simmons contract. We would probably have to give up Martin but not JJ or Jovic.

I doubt that would happen and it certainly wouldn’t be ideal or my first choice, but we can make that work.