Sixers Offseason Thread Part 3

[Arsenal]

They’d be running it back though with no bench this time because they sat on their asses waiting for the harden thing to straighten out before making any moves. So it’s just going to be the same team as last season except worse and less deep.

Nobody we lost was a difference maker. They're all irrelevant in the grand scheme of things.

They made a difference. It may be small, but it adds up. Right now Korkmaz and Bev are your first guys off the bench not named Milton. That's really bad. Worst bench in the NBA currently.

People will believe that now, but come the season and/or playoffs if they don't find a way to add bench talent it's going to be the main talking point all season.

Korkmaz for Shake is a wash. That leaves Niang and McDaniels, who barely played in the playoffs, as the big losses. Nothing to be overly concerned about.

[Mik317]

the lack of depth was an issue all last season....

not doing anything to fix it does not constitute as a good move lol.

Niang, flaws and all, was also very important to the team due to his shooting and the gravity that came with it.

I feel like I am taking crazy pills lol. The current plan seems to be to run it back with worse depth and a new coach with the added bonus of potentially 3 guys who are disgruntled and looking for big pay days. Two of which who will be hated by the fanbase for most of the year. I am all for not doing rash ****...i have been team don't chase the window but this just feels like the wrong answer IMO.

[FireMorey]

Nobody we lost was a difference maker. They're all irrelevant in the grand scheme of things.

They made a difference. It may be small, but it adds up. Right now Korkmaz and Bev are your first guys off the bench not named Milton. That's really bad. Worst bench in the NBA currently.

People will believe that now, but come the season and/or playoffs if they don't find a way to add bench talent it's going to be the main talking point all season.

Korkmaz for Shake is a wash. That leaves Niang and McDaniels, who barely played in the playoffs, as the big losses. Nothing to be overly concerned about.

I don’t agree Kork for Shake is a wash. Niang had his faults but he was a 40% 3 point shooter that spaced the floor. At one point or another these guys need to be replaced, they don’t have any playable players right now on their bench aside from Melton. The difference is as flawed as the other guys were, at least they had skills that offered something. Bev right now doesn’t offer much of anything, he’s not even the defender he used to be.

And even if you think the drop off won’t be that big, the team already wasn’t good enough. If the Sixers won the title you could make the case that the drop off won’t be enough to bring them down to the pack. But the team currently isn’t good enough. You can argue the bench won’t matter, but they certainly won’t be better, and the Sixers without improving isn’t going to be good enough. They had to improve this summer to have any chance.

[fkd215]

We’ve got what, 10 players under contract now, plus possibly bball Paul? In a run-it-back scenario, how do we fill the remaining roster spots? These open spots suggest that a trade is coming, bc otherwise our only options are vet minimums, Petrusev, and the UDFAs.

[Kobblehead]

Hami Diallo is still out there....

6'5" 205 pound elite athlete that averaged 9.3 ppg on 57.3% shooting.

Go get him Daryl.

[FireMorey]

I don’t think they plan to do anything until Harden is resolved. They didn’t get involved on anyone outside Bev so far and a lot of players who made sense signed elsewhere for less than the Sixers can currently offer.

Problem is, Harden might not be resolved until September. That’s a problem. Free agency will be totally dried up by then. And what if the end result is you decide to keep Harden and not trade him? Then you objectively have a worse and less deep team the one that already wasn’t good enough with an only partially motivated James Harden.

That sounds like a winning formula for sure!

[Mik317]

might be lucky that most things are on hold until Dame gets sorted out...as some guys are probably waiting to ring chase to that team...but still

[hookshot199]

LMAO, so now they're saying that Morey is trying to get Harden to return. I don't buy it.

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I somewhat believe it. It certaibly seemed like they wanted him back before the trade demand, but on a team friendly deal. Right now the two options are trade him for the a package they don't want or go the Ben Simmons route and let him sit until somebody offers something decent if they're lucky. A third option would be to have him play and at least help the team win some extra games and could help keep his value high enough while waiting for the teams to get more desperate. I could see Harden potentially buying into this over sitting like Simmons.

I'm sure Morey would be happy with Harden finishing the year out, but it's not very plausible for Harden to agree to it.

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Yeah I should have clarified what I meant. I don't doubt Morey wants him, I just think Harden is absolutely pissed, and Patrick Beverly on the roster isn't going to fix that.

I don''t think Harden's absolutely pissed. I think Morey is letting him test the market to come up with a price, and then I think Morey's going to offer him two years, three years, whatever. So my question is, since I stopped getting deep into the weeds a couple of years, when can Morey offer Harden a contract extension? I think we're seeing some kabuki.

[Arsenal]

I somewhat believe it. It certaibly seemed like they wanted him back before the trade demand, but on a team friendly deal. Right now the two options are trade him for the a package they don't want or go the Ben Simmons route and let him sit until somebody offers something decent if they're lucky. A third option would be to have him play and at least help the team win some extra games and could help keep his value high enough while waiting for the teams to get more desperate. I could see Harden potentially buying into this over sitting like Simmons.

I'm sure Morey would be happy with Harden finishing the year out, but it's not very plausible for Harden to agree to it.

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Yeah I should have clarified what I meant. I don't doubt Morey wants him, I just think Harden is absolutely pissed, and Patrick Beverly on the roster isn't going to fix that.

I don''t think Harden's absolutely pissed. I think Morey is letting him test the market to come up with a price, and then I think Morey's going to offer him two years, three years, whatever. So my question is, since I stopped getting deep into the weeds a couple of years, when can Morey offer Harden a contract extension? I think we're seeing some kabuki.

We can't offer Harden an extension. He will become a FA next summer no matter what now.

[eyeatoma]

I somewhat believe it. It certaibly seemed like they wanted him back before the trade demand, but on a team friendly deal. Right now the two options are trade him for the a package they don't want or go the Ben Simmons route and let him sit until somebody offers something decent if they're lucky. A third option would be to have him play and at least help the team win some extra games and could help keep his value high enough while waiting for the teams to get more desperate. I could see Harden potentially buying into this over sitting like Simmons.

I'm sure Morey would be happy with Harden finishing the year out, but it's not very plausible for Harden to agree to it.

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Yeah I should have clarified what I meant. I don't doubt Morey wants him, I just think Harden is absolutely pissed, and Patrick Beverly on the roster isn't going to fix that.

I don''t think Harden's absolutely pissed. I think Morey is letting him test the market to come up with a price, and then I think Morey's going to offer him two years, three years, whatever. So my question is, since I stopped getting deep into the weeds a couple of years, when can Morey offer Harden a contract extension? I think we're seeing some kabuki.

He can't offer him anything, he's opted in. He's a free agent next season.

[ExplosionsInDaSky]

OK...So nothing new. Aaight...Check ya later.

[Negrodamus]

Hami Diallo is still out there....

6'5" 205 pound elite athlete that averaged 9.3 ppg on 57.3% shooting.

Go get him Daryl.

But complete and utter ass from 3, FT.

[eyeatoma]

What a poverty franchise.

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In case people missed the context, Michael Ruben's White Party is happening again. Everyone was there including Tobias. Josh Harris was talking to Harden. Harden was with Tobi, and then this pick. They're going to run it back, and we'll be worse than last year. LOL.

[ExplosionsInDaSky]

Niang and Shake left. It's not that massive of a loss. Shake was never going to get any time here and Niang is replaceable. If we're running it back with Harden ok...Let's quit with the BS and move forward. I think at this point, that's the best thing to do. Run it back with the guys we have. Both Harden and Tobias are gone after the season.

We signed Beverly, he's more than an adequate replacement for Milton. He's not going to get run off the floor due to being a defensive liability. He can also play with any one of Harden, Maxey, or Melton. Springer is getting promoted and we have Korkmaz to take the place of Niang. I just don't see it as some big deal that they left. I was the biggest Shake fan on this forum, but what good is he here if he can't get minutes?

We're 4 days into free agency. There are plenty of names out there that we can add for an affordable price. At this point, let's just go with what we have. Second round exit either way unless we somehow get the 1 seed.

[Kobblehead]

But complete and utter ass from 3, FT.

That's fine. Nick Nurse is a shooting specialist. Maybe he can help raise Hami's free throw shooting to the 70% range like he did with Scottie Barnes.

Diallo's 18.6 ppg per 36 would have ranked 4th in scoring on the Sixers last year. And his ridiculous 57.3% field goal percentage would have ranked 1st among our non-centers.

He's a gem, hidden in plain sight.

[Eyeamok]

Hey Morey can I get a season of Bol Bol please !

[ankle420breaker]

Get Bol Bol

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[Skates]

McDaniels was really the archetype of the player I wanted and signed cheap. His weird refusal to drive all the way to the basket was almost Simmons-esque, but I would have loved to see him coached up by Nurse.

I expected to replace Niang and Shake, and between King (if they ever sign him) and Springer we can cover the Shake spot. Unless House steps it up, which I would love, we are pretty bereft at the forward spots and few FA’s left out there.

[Embiid P]

We need to sign Bol Bol. However, I fully expect the Raps to nab him.

[the_process]

the lack of depth was an issue all last season....

not doing anything to fix it does not constitute as a good move lol.

Niang, flaws and all, was also very important to the team due to his shooting and the gravity that came with it.

I feel like I am taking crazy pills lol. The current plan seems to be to run it back with worse depth and a new coach with the added bonus of potentially 3 guys who are disgruntled and looking for big pay days. Two of which who will be hated by the fanbase for most of the year. I am all for not doing rash ****...i have been team don't chase the window but this just feels like the wrong answer IMO.

This sums it up perfectly. They are trying to walk a completely untenable path.

If you want to preserve cap, then just trade Harden and Harris for other expirings and maybe picks.

At least that way you can keep Maxey on board even though he's not getting paid yet.