Bucks News, Transactions and Trade Ideas - Beasley on a 1 Year Deal

[BroncoBuck]

2029 is 6 years out. Giannis isn't gonna wait until the team falls apart. It's now or never. Bucks are to predictable last 3 or 4 years. Same players almost. Heck almost same team yet again barring two rookies and a new coach. Middleton and Brook older and paid more. Yeah we lost Carter and Ingles. But landed Malik and Robin. Still need a Bobby,Pat,Allen and 2029 first trade for something good yet.

It’s incredibly short sighted to trade a first in a year Giannis isn’t even under contract (and would be old if he is) for a marginal asset. The Bucks 2029 first is valuable, let alone the opportunity cost of not having it when the opportunity to trade for an actual superstar opens up.

There’s just no way to rationalize trading a first that far out for Sexton when you’re attaching good players to the deal as well. We’d be losing key players in our rotation AND one of our few trade assets for a non All Star, with zero ability to replace those players because we’re stuck paying guys league minimum in a non-destination city.

Imagine we trade our 2029 first and next year SGA becomes available, but we’re out of the race completely because we burned that pick on Sexton.

2029 first is only valuable if Giannis is retired or on another team then full tank mode.

Giannis’ game relies so much on his freakish athleticism. Setting LeBron level expectations for his game to age that well at 34 is a bit naive. He’s already been battling through nagging injuries the past few years. Six years is a long ways away.

[lightningrodman]

That NBA Insider Goat account also said that the Robin Lopez signing was because they want Bobby to play exclusively at the 4 and needed a rim protector for those lineups — to me this strains credulity

That same account also followed up later by saying Lopez would not see significant minutes this year.

Well, that fits my priors so I will choose to believe it

[tedbrogen]

It’s incredibly short sighted to trade a first in a year Giannis isn’t even under contract (and would be old if he is) for a marginal asset. The Bucks 2029 first is valuable, let alone the opportunity cost of not having it when the opportunity to trade for an actual superstar opens up.

There’s just no way to rationalize trading a first that far out for Sexton when you’re attaching good players to the deal as well. We’d be losing key players in our rotation AND one of our few trade assets for a non All Star, with zero ability to replace those players because we’re stuck paying guys league minimum in a non-destination city.

Imagine we trade our 2029 first and next year SGA becomes available, but we’re out of the race completely because we burned that pick on Sexton.

2029 first is only valuable if Giannis is retired or on another team then full tank mode.

Giannis’ game relies so much on his freakish athleticism. Setting LeBron level expectations for his game to age that well at 34 is a bit naive. He’s already been battling through nagging injuries the past few years. Six years is a long ways away.

Especially when we have no idea what the roster will look like around Giannis at that point or if Giannis will want out once the current core ages out in a couple years.

Not against moving that first but for me it’s gotta be for someone can’t miss and Quickley/Sexton are not can’t miss guys.imo

Especially when I think they can easily flip Bobby+Grayson for Rozier who gives you a lot of what those other two do and won’t require a first.

[Badgerlander]

Sexton is not a 6th man your getting him to start not come off the bench

Ideally yes, and maybe he does start but probably doesn’t finish close games

This is where Beauchamp taking a leap this year is incredibly important. A possible closing lineup of Jrue, Marjon, Middleton, Crowder, and Giannis would be ideal.

MarJon just making the leap to playable would be great. Probably a ways off from being a closer. I could see Jackson coming in and making a leap to closer. MarJon is still learning the game. I really wouldn’t be shocked to see Jackson and Moore jumping ahead of him on the depth chart with their college experience. Don’t get me wrong I want MarJon to succeed but he’s coming from Juco to g league. Hopefully Jae takes him under his wing.

[Couch Potato]

2029 first is only valuable if Giannis is retired or on another team then full tank mode.

Giannis’ game relies so much on his freakish athleticism. Setting LeBron level expectations for his game to age that well at 34 is a bit naive. He’s already been battling through nagging injuries the past few years. Six years is a long ways away.

Especially when we have no idea what the roster will look like around Giannis at that point or if Giannis will want out once the current core ages out in a couple years.

Not against moving that first but for me it’s gotta be for someone can’t miss and Quickley/Sexton are not can’t miss guys.imo

Especially when I think they can easily flip Bobby+Grayson for Rozier who gives you a lot of what those other two do and won’t require a first.

Horst and owners and Giannis should already be discussing how long to keep the core 4 together right now already. Heck Lakers traded Shaq for Odom and that worked out and Kobe got a few more rings. Bucks have to retool eventually to help Giannis out sooner rather then later, then when it's to late.

[tedbrogen]

Giannis’ game relies so much on his freakish athleticism. Setting LeBron level expectations for his game to age that well at 34 is a bit naive. He’s already been battling through nagging injuries the past few years. Six years is a long ways away.

Especially when we have no idea what the roster will look like around Giannis at that point or if Giannis will want out once the current core ages out in a couple years.

Not against moving that first but for me it’s gotta be for someone can’t miss and Quickley/Sexton are not can’t miss guys.imo

Especially when I think they can easily flip Bobby+Grayson for Rozier who gives you a lot of what those other two do and won’t require a first.

Horst and owners and Giannis should already be discussing how long to keep the core 4 together right now already. Heck Lakers traded Shaq for Odom and that worked out and Kobe got a few more rings. Bucks have to retool eventually to help Giannis out sooner rather then later, then when it's to late.

But I wouldn’t trade that 2029 first unless it’s for a superstar that makes them overwhelming favorites (Dame for example) or if Giannis has already agreed to sign a new max extension next offseason as that would mean he would be under contract through the 28-29 season for when that pick conveys.

[MickeyDavis]

Giannis’ game relies so much on his freakish athleticism. Setting LeBron level expectations for his game to age that well at 34 is a bit naive. He’s already been battling through nagging injuries the past few years. Six years is a long ways away.

Especially when we have no idea what the roster will look like around Giannis at that point or if Giannis will want out once the current core ages out in a couple years.

Not against moving that first but for me it’s gotta be for someone can’t miss and Quickley/Sexton are not can’t miss guys.imo

Especially when I think they can easily flip Bobby+Grayson for Rozier who gives you a lot of what those other two do and won’t require a first.

Horst and owners and Giannis should already be discussing how long to keep the core 4 together right now already. Heck Lakers traded Shaq for Odom and that worked out and Kobe got a few more rings. Bucks have to retool eventually to help Giannis out sooner rather then later, then when it's to late.

Whan Shaq was traded Kobe was 25 and they didn't win another title for 5 years.

[Couch Potato]

Especially when we have no idea what the roster will look like around Giannis at that point or if Giannis will want out once the current core ages out in a couple years.

Not against moving that first but for me it’s gotta be for someone can’t miss and Quickley/Sexton are not can’t miss guys.imo

Especially when I think they can easily flip Bobby+Grayson for Rozier who gives you a lot of what those other two do and won’t require a first.

Horst and owners and Giannis should already be discussing how long to keep the core 4 together right now already. Heck Lakers traded Shaq for Odom and that worked out and Kobe got a few more rings. Bucks have to retool eventually to help Giannis out sooner rather then later, then when it's to late.

Whan Shaq was traded Kobe was 25 and they didn't win another title for 5 years.

Well 5 years Holiday,Middleton,Lopez could be a shell of them selves or out of the league or junk salary fillers by then. Just saying. Know when to hold 'em, know when to fold 'em.

[slos]

I have always liked the idea bringing everyone back with a different coach and going all in next season when Bucks will be able to trade 3 FRPs. I guess this is the plan moving forward, which means that Horst won't trade that 2029 FRP. I'm also expecting Bucks staying under the 2nd tax apron to avoid penalties in their 2031 FRP. Both of those picks will/should be used along with 2024 FRP for whatever star will want out.

Remember that this was the same strategy in 2020 when Giannis went into a contract year and Bucks pulled the Jrue trade using #24, 2025/2027 FRPs + 2024/2026 swaps. In 2024 they will have an identical package with another 20ish pick and 2029/2031 FRPs + 2028/2030 swaps. Taking into account that Bucks also used bad salary (Bledsoe and Hill) and Giannis will be entering in his 30s this package looks even better despite being pretty much the same.

Having said that I think Bucks are done making big moves this offseason. Assuming they sign the rookies they will be at 7 mil under the 2nd tax apron with 12 contracts. And that's without counting Crowder who we still don't know details about his contract and I guess he didn't sign for the minimum.

Jrue
Beauchamp/Allen/Beasley
Middleton/Connaughton/Jackson
Giannis/Crowder/Livingston
BroLo/Portis/RoLo

Allen + 2027 SRP for a backup PG is the best I'm expecting at this point to balance this roster. Bucks can use 2024 POR SRP too, but I guess Horst keeps that too since it will be in the 30s and he will need cheap young talent moving forward.

[BucksRule18]

Are the Bucks waiting until the February deadline to move Allen for a PG? Perhaps at that point other teams would be more willing to take on his expiring contract.

[Couch Potato]

Are the Bucks waiting until the February deadline to move Allen for a PG? Perhaps at that point other teams would be more willing to take on his expiring contract.

That's a possibility. But I hate to wait until mid-season for a bench guard trade or possible starter.

[GoldenAntlers]

Now's the time.

[slos]

I was checking at available PGs in free agency. It's a poor list and Aaron Holiday looks like the BPA. With two spots open - assuming Jackson and Livingston both sign - it's a real possibility having six brothers in the same roster.

[Ayt]

He’s been a 20ppg scorer when given big minutes on high efficiency shooting. What’s to doubt?

His play the last two years is what adds doubt.

You didn’t watch him last yr in Utah then.

What was good about it? He had a TS% of .535.

[ShootingtheJ]

You didn’t watch him last yr in Utah then.

An inefficient 53TS% with bad defense in Utah. He has been a bad player for awhile at multiple stops, plus off the court issues.

What off the court issues?

Malik Beasley spent 78 days in jail for threats of violence and felony gun charges.

[Daver]

Are the Bucks waiting until the February deadline to move Allen for a PG? Perhaps at that point other teams would be more willing to take on his expiring contract.

No allen could be traded within the next 2 days

[raferfenix]

I’m high on Pat as well as Bobby on the court.

That’s even aside from how advantageous their contracts are alongside the reason that’s the case being their loyalty to the franchise.

If there isn’t a good enough consolidation trade you keep them.

In that case I hope our focus is something around Allen + 2nds or cash or the like for someone like a Delon Wright or Monte Morris. We need PG help enough where I could see even a lateral move from an asset standpoint making a big difference.

[Couch Potato]

I’m high on Pat as well as Bobby on the court.

That’s even aside from how advantageous their contracts are alongside the reason that’s the case being their loyalty to the franchise.

If there isn’t a good enough consolidation trade you keep them.

In that case I hope our focus is something around Allen + 2nds or cash or the like for someone like a Delon Wright or Monte Morris. We need PG help enough where I could see even a lateral move from an asset standpoint making a big difference.

What piece fits for a guard trade for Allen a second round picks? Hawks ring a bell to dump salary. But that's around $20M like Bogdanovic.

[LUKE23]

His play the last two years is what adds doubt.

You didn’t watch him last yr in Utah then.

What was good about it? He had a TS% of .535.

He had a .616 TS in 48 games.

https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/s/sextoco01.html

[ShootingtheJ]

You didn’t watch him last yr in Utah then.

What was good about it? He had a TS% of .535.

He had a .616 TS in 48 games.

https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/s/sextoco01.html

They were talking about Malik Beasley.