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Miami Heat Offseason Thread 7.0: 3ammy vs Cronin, Winner Takes Dame!!

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Re: Miami Heat Offseason Thread 7.0: 3ammy vs Cronin, Winner Takes Dame!! 

Post#1181 » by dean456 » Tue Jul 4, 2023 9:20 pm

Bourne85 wrote:The only fair trade here is if we include Bam. Anything less than that Portland has no reason to accept our mediocre package. And imo that trade makes us worse, not better.


This is ignoring all the other factors surrounding this. In a vacuum you may be right. If Dame and Portland were perfectly happy continuing their relationship together, Dame's value may be much higher.

But Portland through their actions last season and this offseason, its clear that they have made the decision that they want to rebuild and have forced Dame to request a trade to make it appear as though they don't want to do so, which to anyone following Portland knows is BS. But not only has Dame requested a trade he's requested a trade to one team and made it clear he doesn't want to play anywhere else multiple times.

Whether they like it or not this reduces Dame's value. Because Portland have put themselves into a position where they have to trade him otherwise things get really uncomfortable in Portland when they'd prefer to just move forward with Scoot.

If Portland also keep Dame and they are a middle of the pack team Portland also lose their FRP next season so they know and other teams know they need to get this done sooner rather than later.
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Re: Miami Heat Offseason Thread 7.0: 3ammy vs Cronin, Winner Takes Dame!! 

Post#1182 » by twix2500 » Tue Jul 4, 2023 9:23 pm

The legacy of Bol Bol in this room has died???
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Post#1183 » by Lilseb93 » Tue Jul 4, 2023 9:26 pm

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Re: Miami Heat Offseason Thread 7.0: 3ammy vs Cronin, Winner Takes Dame!! 

Post#1184 » by Lilseb93 » Tue Jul 4, 2023 9:30 pm

The narratives change every day with people outside this fanbase. Gabe and Strus were seen as untalented guys and not good enough to win a title a month ago and now they are "significant" pieces when we lost them.
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Re: Miami Heat Offseason Thread 7.0: 3ammy vs Cronin, Winner Takes Dame!! 

Post#1185 » by dean456 » Tue Jul 4, 2023 9:32 pm

IceColdCubano wrote:
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IceColdCubano wrote:Find another trade to compare it to. Harden was acting a fool, getting fat, and showing up late to practice and willing to tank his value to get to where he wanted. Lillard is not doing that, he is a great deal more professional.


it’s still James harden

Even the KD trade isn’t equal in value

So what are we doing here?

Stop falling into the trap of value, the question is value to whom?
Player x, Picks, swaps = one value to one team and another value to another.
Find what the team is valuing more, for Portland, they are asking for (1) Young players first (2) First round picks (3) Expirings. In that order.
Miami is sending Herro (does not meet the quota, because he plays a position they do not need) little to no value to them.
Firs round picks, Miami's picks are late first rounders, they hold little weight, so if their not meeting the first request then at a minimun they will need a third team to get them 2 FRP's from another team, plus Miamis 2 FRP's at minimun.
Expiring contract, that is the only item Miami is meeting on their demand, but its last on the last of value for them.
Miami needs to find a way to meet deman (1), (2).

Durant trade gave the Brooklyn nets the value they requested more. (1) stud player (2) Picks & Pick swaps. at the time Phoenix had CP3 plus now Durant all at the end of their careers, those later FRP's from Phoenix will be valuable since Phoenix should stink in the couple of years.


I don't like the argument that our picks 5 and 7 yrs from now hold little value because they will be late first rounders.

It's too hard to predict how good we'll be in those years, but Jimmy will be retired and so will Dame. Riley will be 83-85yo at that time and will likely be retired especially if we win 1 or 2 championships with Dame and Jimmy. Bam will still be around most likely but if there's any time we would likely be going through down years/rebuild it would be after going on a 3-4yr run with Jimmy/Bam/Dame much like the post Big 3 years.
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Post#1186 » by DayofMourning » Tue Jul 4, 2023 9:33 pm

Looks like Portland fans want Bam, Jovic, Jaquez, Martin, Orlando, all our first and pick swaps plus our 2nd rounders.

After the smoke clears we should have Butler and Lillard and some vet minimums to round out the roster. That chip is gonna be tasty.
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Post#1187 » by MorbidHEAT » Tue Jul 4, 2023 9:36 pm

DayofMourning wrote:Looks like Portland fans want Bam, Jovic, Jaquez, Martin, Orlando, all our first and pick swaps plus our 2nd rounders.

After the smoke clears we should have Butler and Lillard and some vet minimums to round out the roster. That chip is gonna be tasty.


After the smoke clears, they’ll come down from their high and realize that they traded Dame for Herro, Martin, Duncan and some first round picks that are half a decade away.

And then they’ll want to get high again.
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Re: Miami Heat Offseason Thread 7.0: 3ammy vs Cronin, Winner Takes Dame!! 

Post#1188 » by Lilseb93 » Tue Jul 4, 2023 9:38 pm

DayofMourning wrote:Looks like Portland fans want Bam, Jovic, Jaquez, Martin, Orlando, all our first and pick swaps plus our 2nd rounders.

After the smoke clears we should have Butler and Lillard and some vet minimums to round out the roster. That chip is gonna be tasty.


They really think they are going to get a treasure chest like that when Miami is only bidding against themselves. :lol:
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Post#1189 » by MettaWorldPanda » Tue Jul 4, 2023 9:38 pm

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HEAT_ME_UP wrote:Mark your calendars, the trade is happening on July 6th. Confirmed by my sources.

Fat chance. I’m going on a 4-week vacation starting tomorrow, returning 8/1. My phone will be off the entire time.

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Re: Miami Heat Offseason Thread 7.0: 3ammy vs Cronin, Winner Takes Dame!! 

Post#1190 » by QUIZ » Tue Jul 4, 2023 9:40 pm

Lilseb93 wrote:IDC what people in the GB say, you are not going to convince me that the media isn't pissed that Dame wants to go to Miami.

Oh they are so unbelievably pissed. Portland fans I understand but man are those Bostons fans/media styles unbelievably shameless.

They are coping so hard
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Post#1191 » by ShulaDon92 » Tue Jul 4, 2023 9:42 pm

MorbidHEAT wrote:
DayofMourning wrote:Looks like Portland fans want Bam, Jovic, Jaquez, Martin, Orlando, all our first and pick swaps plus our 2nd rounders.

After the smoke clears we should have Butler and Lillard and some vet minimums to round out the roster. That chip is gonna be tasty.


After the smoke clears, they’ll come down from their high and realize that they traded Dame for Herro, Martin, Duncan and some first round picks that are half a decade away.

And then they’ll want to get high again.


Unbelievable the filth said about our young core.

These are those same tankers, u know u are

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Post#1192 » by ShulaDon92 » Tue Jul 4, 2023 9:43 pm

Lilseb93 wrote:
DayofMourning wrote:Looks like Portland fans want Bam, Jovic, Jaquez, Martin, Orlando, all our first and pick swaps plus our 2nd rounders.

After the smoke clears we should have Butler and Lillard and some vet minimums to round out the roster. That chip is gonna be tasty.


They really think they are going to get a treasure chest like that when Miami is only bidding against themselves. :lol:


That kind of delusional behavior we have to check for because yes its happened

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Post#1193 » by Lilseb93 » Tue Jul 4, 2023 9:44 pm

I've never understood the hate for the Heat outside the Big 3. We're usually the underdogs and a respectful and hard-working organization. The Heat players don't go out to the club every night and do drugs and party. We're not perfect but every time a good player is linked to us, people lose their minds like we are the Lakers or Cowboys. I've never understood the irrational dislike of Miami.
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Post#1194 » by Dc__20 » Tue Jul 4, 2023 9:48 pm

It’s actually amazing how much hate Miami gets. I watched first take and Perkins was talking up Boston so hard and keeping brown, windhorst was baffled and said…. What’s the trade? They can’t get him, the money doesn’t work unless they’re trading brown. Yet this juggernaut show is spending 10 mins rambling about this scenario. Then the rest of espn coverage is how same should go to Philly and how he’d have to share the ball with Jimmy….. Do these morons watch heat games? Jimmy is the most selfless player that can average 35ppg in a playoff series lol! He’s selfless to a fault.
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Post#1195 » by MorbidHEAT » Tue Jul 4, 2023 9:51 pm

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Lilseb93 wrote:IDC what people in the GB say, you are not going to convince me that the media isn't pissed that Dame wants to go to Miami.

Oh they are so unbelievably pissed. Portland fans I understand but man are those Bostons fans/media styles unbelievably shameless.

They are coping so hard


It’s really fantastic to watch how pissed they are.
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Post#1196 » by Rapaz » Tue Jul 4, 2023 9:51 pm

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Post#1197 » by inhabitMiami » Tue Jul 4, 2023 9:56 pm

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Great time for a 4-week vacation.

Why yall keep fallin for the fake account. It's 20.
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Post#1198 » by miamiballer » Tue Jul 4, 2023 9:58 pm

Can’t herro only be traded starting July 6 or 9 ke something like that? Maybe that’s the hold up?
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Post#1199 » by Tony15 » Tue Jul 4, 2023 9:59 pm

Dc__20 wrote:It’s actually amazing how much hate Miami gets. I watched first take and Perkins was talking up Boston so hard and keeping brown, windhorst was baffled and said…. What’s the trade? They can’t get him, the money doesn’t work unless they’re trading brown. Yet this juggernaut show is spending 10 mins rambling about this scenario. Then the rest of espn coverage is how same should go to Philly and how he’d have to share the ball with Jimmy….. Do these morons watch heat games? Jimmy is the most selfless player that can average 35ppg in a playoff series lol! He’s selfless to a fault.

That network has a hard-on for the Sixers/Celtics/Knicks when they aren't riding the Lakers, so nothing surprising here....HEAT are just coming off a Finals and have already forgotten. ESPN's been a joke to a lot of folk for a while now.
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Post#1200 » by MettaWorldPanda » Tue Jul 4, 2023 10:00 pm

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