Official Trade Thread Part XLV

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I don't think we are getting a R1 pick thrown in on a deal for Wright.

Why ever would you want to trade Shamet for Marcus Morris I wonder...?

Why would anybody trade for Gallo when he'll be available for free in a minute?

[pcbothwel]

I don't think we are getting a R1 pick thrown in on a deal for Wright.

Why ever would you want to trade Shamet for Marcus Morris I wonder...?

Why would anybody trade for Gallo when he'll be available for free in a minute?

1) I think a 1st for Wright is possible if we either A) Take back more bad salary via TPE, or B) Throw in a decent 2nd
2) Gallo isnt available for free. He would cost a new team the Minimum at best, but maybe more. Also, if we trade Gallo then we would be taking back a player with what I assume to be negative value.

But yeah... Keep morris away from this team.

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I don't think we are getting a R1 pick thrown in on a deal for Wright.

Why ever would you want to trade Shamet for Marcus Morris I wonder...?

Why would anybody trade for Gallo when he'll be available for free in a minute?

1) I think a 1st for Wright is possible if we either A) Take back more bad salary via TPE, or B) Throw in a decent 2nd
2) Gallo isnt available for free. He would cost a new team the Minimum at best, but maybe more. Also, if we trade Gallo then we would be taking back a player with what I assume to be negative value.

But yeah... Keep morris away from this team.

Both your other points are good.

1. Wright -- we have room to absorb a bad contract this year. If we get draft capital it's well worth doing.
2. Gallo would be free if we bought him out in the sense that a team wouldn't have to give anything to get him. But, in this case too, as you point out we might prefer to trade him for a negative value contract plus picks.

[WallToWall]

Is Morris still on our roster? Did I miss him being traded or bought out…?


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[willbcocks]

Morris was traded to a Detroit for a 2nd round pick that I haven't seen specified yet.

[gambitx777]

I don't think we are getting a R1 pick thrown in on a deal for Wright.

Why ever would you want to trade Shamet for Marcus Morris I wonder...?

Why would anybody trade for Gallo when he'll be available for free in a minute?

To get an asset from the clippers! Like a second or something. We are actually in a good spot to help get the clippers under the second death tax.... For a price.

And the word on the street is that we might buy out Gallo but that hasn't happened we might just say **** off and keep him. I would cut Gill long before I cut Gallo he will have value later while Gill will not.

The idea of getting a first for wright is contingent on that trade helping the other team get out of the tax or off a bad contract.

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Sure... that makes some sense. The problem is Marcus Morris. Reminds me of the past. Of Kieff. Still... he'd help with the tank.

If we're considering buying out Gallo, that would probably indicate that we called around & found little or no trade interest.

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We’ve officially entered goofy fella territory where we’re defending bad moves by saying “it’s good for the tank!”

[gambitx777]

Sure... that makes some sense. The problem is Marcus Morris. Reminds me of the past. Of Kieff. Still... he'd help with the tank.

If we're considering buying out Gallo, that would probably indicate that we called around & found little or no trade interest.

That narrative of Gallo getting bought out hit instantly when the trade hit probably isn't real.
And Morris won't be on the team he's just be bought out.

For example we could do one or all three

Shammet for Morris a 2024 second

Gallo for batumn and a protected 2028 first

Gill for Covington for a 2024 second and 2027 second

We have to do them separately but they all work.

We cut all three and get 5 picks and some room for young players for Gallo, shammet and gill that's really good

The clippers get there comparable players at way way less money and save about 100 mill on their tax bill.

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[joshuacf]

Sure... that makes some sense. The problem is Marcus Morris. Reminds me of the past. Of Kieff. Still... he'd help with the tank.

If we're considering buying out Gallo, that would probably indicate that we called around & found little or no trade interest.

That narrative of Gallo getting bought out hit instantly when the trade hit probably isn't real.
And Morris won't be on the team he's just be bought out.

For example we could do one or all three

Shammet for Morris a 2024 second

Gallo for batumn and a protected 2028 first

Gill for Covington for a 2024 second and 2027 second

We have to do them separately but they all work.

We cut all three and get 5 picks and some room for young players for Gallo, shammet and gill that's really good

The clippers get there comparable players at way way less money and save about 100 mill on their tax bill.

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Shamet for Morris isn't enough difference to warrant the Clippers giving up a 2nd.

Gallo for Batum and a protected 1st is pie-in-the-sky crazy. No offense.

Gill for Covington and two seconds is never going to happen. Covington isn't good anymore, but he at least has high-level shooting ability. If Gill wasn't on the Wizards, there's a good chance he wouldn't be in the league.

I understand the notion that the Clippers want to save on their luxury tax. But there are much much better players that the Clippers can trade for who would accomplish the same thing.

Maybe we could do something like Gallo for Covington and a very heavily protected 2nd.

[gambitx777]

Sure... that makes some sense. The problem is Marcus Morris. Reminds me of the past. Of Kieff. Still... he'd help with the tank.

If we're considering buying out Gallo, that would probably indicate that we called around & found little or no trade interest.

That narrative of Gallo getting bought out hit instantly when the trade hit probably isn't real.
And Morris won't be on the team he's just be bought out.

For example we could do one or all three

Shammet for Morris a 2024 second

Gallo for batumn and a protected 2028 first

Gill for Covington for a 2024 second and 2027 second

We have to do them separately but they all work.

We cut all three and get 5 picks and some room for young players for Gallo, shammet and gill that's really good

The clippers get there comparable players at way way less money and save about 100 mill on their tax bill.

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Shamet for Morris isn't enough difference to warrant the Clippers giving up a 2nd.

Gallo for Batum and a protected 1st is pie-in-the-sky crazy. No offense.

Gill for Covington and two seconds is never going to happen. Covington isn't good anymore, but he at least has high-level shooting ability. If Gill wasn't on the Wizards, there's a good chance he wouldn't be in the league.

I understand the notion that the Clippers want to save on their luxury tax. But there are much much better players that the Clippers can trade for who would accomplish the same thing.

Maybe we could do something like Gallo for Covington and a very heavily protected 2nd.

Most of the money has been spent there are teams with tpes but most of them have tax issues too. Saving them that kind of money while provoking players of similar production is valuable. Primium in fact. And sure these guys are billionaires but almost a100 mill in tax money isn't a joke that's huge. Giving three players at similar production at 17 million vs those guys almost 40! That's a valuable trade and would be worth more than you think.

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[joshuacf]

That narrative of Gallo getting bought out hit instantly when the trade hit probably isn't real.
And Morris won't be on the team he's just be bought out.

For example we could do one or all three

Shammet for Morris a 2024 second

Gallo for batumn and a protected 2028 first

Gill for Covington for a 2024 second and 2027 second

We have to do them separately but they all work.

We cut all three and get 5 picks and some room for young players for Gallo, shammet and gill that's really good

The clippers get there comparable players at way way less money and save about 100 mill on their tax bill.

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Shamet for Morris isn't enough difference to warrant the Clippers giving up a 2nd.

Gallo for Batum and a protected 1st is pie-in-the-sky crazy. No offense.

Gill for Covington and two seconds is never going to happen. Covington isn't good anymore, but he at least has high-level shooting ability. If Gill wasn't on the Wizards, there's a good chance he wouldn't be in the league.

I understand the notion that the Clippers want to save on their luxury tax. But there are much much better players that the Clippers can trade for who would accomplish the same thing.

Maybe we could do something like Gallo for Covington and a very heavily protected 2nd.

Most of the money has been spent there are teams with tpes but most of them have tax issues too. Saving them that kind of money while provoking players of similar production is valuable. Primium in fact. And sure these guys are billionaires but almost a100 mill in tax money isn't a joke that's huge. Giving three players at similar production at 17 million vs those guys almost 40! That's a valuable trade and would be worth more than you think.

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I acknowledged the Clippers want to get under the tax. That doesn't mean they're going to part with draft capital in order to get very mediocre players.

Monte Morris was just traded for a lone 2nd. The difference between Monte Morris and Shamet, Gallo, and Gill is very big. Even when you factor in that the Wizards are taking back bad salaries, the trades aren't even close to being fair.

Would the Clippers explore trading Morris, Batum, and Covington? Absolutely. Are they just going to take any random players and give up draft capital? No. They can get better players with similar salaries to what we are offering.

The Shamet Morris deal is perhaps the most realistic. The Gallo for Batum + a protected FRP is crazy. Gill for Covington is a framework that could work, but we'd be getting much less than two 2nds. If you don't believe me, propose these on the trade board and see what people say.

[gambitx777]

Shamet for Morris isn't enough difference to warrant the Clippers giving up a 2nd.

Gallo for Batum and a protected 1st is pie-in-the-sky crazy. No offense.

Gill for Covington and two seconds is never going to happen. Covington isn't good anymore, but he at least has high-level shooting ability. If Gill wasn't on the Wizards, there's a good chance he wouldn't be in the league.

I understand the notion that the Clippers want to save on their luxury tax. But there are much much better players that the Clippers can trade for who would accomplish the same thing.

Maybe we could do something like Gallo for Covington and a very heavily protected 2nd.

Most of the money has been spent there are teams with tpes but most of them have tax issues too. Saving them that kind of money while provoking players of similar production is valuable. Primium in fact. And sure these guys are billionaires but almost a100 mill in tax money isn't a joke that's huge. Giving three players at similar production at 17 million vs those guys almost 40! That's a valuable trade and would be worth more than you think.

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I acknowledged the Clippers want to get under the tax. That doesn't mean they're going to part with draft capital in order to get very mediocre players.

Monte Morris was just traded for a lone 2nd. The difference between Monte Morris and Shamet, Gallo, and Gill is very big. Even when you factor in that the Wizards are taking back bad salaries, the trades aren't even close to being fair.

Would the Clippers explore trading Morris, Batum, and Covington? Absolutely. Are they just going to take any random players and give up draft capital? No. They can get better players with similar salaries to what we are offering.

The Shamet Morris deal is perhaps the most realistic. The Gallo for Batum + a protected FRP is crazy. Gill for Covington is a framework that could work, but we'd be getting much less than two 2nds. If you don't believe me, propose these on the trade board and see what people say.

I think we have a little disconnect here.

I agree all of those alone I agree Gallo doesn't get you a first for batumn maybe a second.But these deals are being done together Bassically as one bigs trade they just can't be done as one trade due to traded play rules.

Because you're Bassically buying picks here. Seconds for cash usually run you ablutn2-4 million. You're saving them 22 ish million in player salaries and almost reducing their tax bill to nothing almost getting them out of the tax. Probably almost 80-100 mill.
Plus Gill is probably just as good as Covington as this stage. Gallo is probably a better player than Morris right now and shamett is probably on par with batumn. 3 second and a protected first which would probably be one of those loto protected of they don't convey turned in to two future seconds for 20 plus million and a coupon for 80-100 off the seasons tax bill. Yeah that's probably fair value cuz that's real money.

Sure I'm sure they would double down and trade all that stuff for harden but if that trade isn't available there aren't a ton of teams left that can do for them what we can and would be willing to do so and just to burn 20 plus million on picks.

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[joshuacf]

Most of the money has been spent there are teams with tpes but most of them have tax issues too. Saving them that kind of money while provoking players of similar production is valuable. Primium in fact. And sure these guys are billionaires but almost a100 mill in tax money isn't a joke that's huge. Giving three players at similar production at 17 million vs those guys almost 40! That's a valuable trade and would be worth more than you think.

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I acknowledged the Clippers want to get under the tax. That doesn't mean they're going to part with draft capital in order to get very mediocre players.

Monte Morris was just traded for a lone 2nd. The difference between Monte Morris and Shamet, Gallo, and Gill is very big. Even when you factor in that the Wizards are taking back bad salaries, the trades aren't even close to being fair.

Would the Clippers explore trading Morris, Batum, and Covington? Absolutely. Are they just going to take any random players and give up draft capital? No. They can get better players with similar salaries to what we are offering.

The Shamet Morris deal is perhaps the most realistic. The Gallo for Batum + a protected FRP is crazy. Gill for Covington is a framework that could work, but we'd be getting much less than two 2nds. If you don't believe me, propose these on the trade board and see what people say.

I think we have a little disconnect here.

I agree all of those alone I agree Gallo doesn't get you a first for batumn maybe a second.But these deals are being done together Bassically as one bigs trade they just can't be done as one trade due to traded play rules.

Because you're Bassically buying picks here. Seconds for cash usually run you ablutn2-4 million. You're saving them 22 ish million in player salaries and almost reducing their tax bill to nothing almost getting them out of the tax. Probably almost 80-100 mill.
Plus Gill is probably just as good as Covington as this stage. Gallo is probably a better player than Morris right now and shamett is probably on par with batumn. 3 second and a protected first which would probably be one of those loto protected of they don't convey turned in to two future seconds for 20 plus million and a coupon for 80-100 off the seasons tax bill. Yeah that's probably fair value cuz that's real money.

Sure I'm sure they would double down and trade all that stuff for harden but if that trade isn't available there aren't a ton of teams left that can do for them what we can and would be willing to do so and just to burn 20 plus million on picks.

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I'll repeat it again: I understand the Clippers want to save on their luxury tax bill.

That doesn't mean they are going to give away a protected first and three seconds and accept any three cheap players in return. For the draft capital you are suggesting the Clippers give up, they could get players from other teams who have similar contracts to Shamet, Gill, and Gallo, but are significantly better than them.

Here's a more realistic deal:

Clippers get: Gallo and Gill
Wizards get: Morris, Batum, and a 2nd.

Let's get other people to weigh in here.

[gambitx777]

I acknowledged the Clippers want to get under the tax. That doesn't mean they're going to part with draft capital in order to get very mediocre players.

Monte Morris was just traded for a lone 2nd. The difference between Monte Morris and Shamet, Gallo, and Gill is very big. Even when you factor in that the Wizards are taking back bad salaries, the trades aren't even close to being fair.

Would the Clippers explore trading Morris, Batum, and Covington? Absolutely. Are they just going to take any random players and give up draft capital? No. They can get better players with similar salaries to what we are offering.

The Shamet Morris deal is perhaps the most realistic. The Gallo for Batum + a protected FRP is crazy. Gill for Covington is a framework that could work, but we'd be getting much less than two 2nds. If you don't believe me, propose these on the trade board and see what people say.

I think we have a little disconnect here.

I agree all of those alone I agree Gallo doesn't get you a first for batumn maybe a second.But these deals are being done together Bassically as one bigs trade they just can't be done as one trade due to traded play rules.

Because you're Bassically buying picks here. Seconds for cash usually run you ablutn2-4 million. You're saving them 22 ish million in player salaries and almost reducing their tax bill to nothing almost getting them out of the tax. Probably almost 80-100 mill.
Plus Gill is probably just as good as Covington as this stage. Gallo is probably a better player than Morris right now and shamett is probably on par with batumn. 3 second and a protected first which would probably be one of those loto protected of they don't convey turned in to two future seconds for 20 plus million and a coupon for 80-100 off the seasons tax bill. Yeah that's probably fair value cuz that's real money.

Sure I'm sure they would double down and trade all that stuff for harden but if that trade isn't available there aren't a ton of teams left that can do for them what we can and would be willing to do so and just to burn 20 plus million on picks.

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I'll repeat it again: I understand the Clippers want to save on their luxury tax bill.

That doesn't mean they are going to give away a protected first and three seconds and accept any three cheap players in return. For the draft capital you are suggesting the Clippers give up, they could get players from other teams who have similar contracts to Shamet, Gill, and Gallo, but are significantly better than them.

Here's a more realistic deal:

Clippers get: Gallo and Gill
Wizards get: Morris, Batum, and a 2nd.

Let's get other people to weigh in here.

Who are these hypothetical players? They aren't there. I've looked at every team we have the right combination of contracts and tpe. We have the 5th highest TPE in the league at 12 the other teams a head of us are the hawks who are too close and the nets who have two big ones.

The 4 teams who could do something like this are the pistons, nets, spurs and the jazz
The jazz and the nests can only do one or two the jazz don't have the contracts to save them enough money to make it worth doing. The nets can only do one or two not all three and the clippers would only be getting back Royce O'Neal who is worse than all three of those guys on the clippers. The pistons can do all three but are not saving nearly as much money for them, while the players are better Bagley Burke's and monte are not going to get traded in a salary burn for some seconds.
The spurs can do it but the clippers are getting back guys like berch, mcbuckets, and Collins and still save them a bit less. So it's like pick a team at that point.

All the other teams in the league are too close or over the tax and can't afford to help burn contracts. Don't have the contracts or do but are in a postion where they don't wanna give up better players for a player they are gonna cut or don't have the TPE.

All I'm saying is that we are in a special position that there aren't a lot of other teams in right now. We can exact value out of that. I'd love to hear what other people think.

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[nate33]

This is nonsense. We are not going after Grant Williams.

[penbeast0]

How about Bol Bol? We need a backup center and he just got waived.

[deneem4]

How about Bol Bol? We need a backup center and he just got waived.

Bol Bol and gafford at the 4/5 has potential

[Frichuela]

A Delon Wright for Achiuwa trade with Toronto makes much more sense than going after Grant Williams. Precious is the type of small ball 5 we should be going after.