Sixers Offseason Thread Part 3

[LeonJordanJr24]

Harden ain't goin nowhere... We need to focus on getting a starting 3 with some athleticism and size .

[76ciology]

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[Arsenal]

The Woj update was interesting. He says there are “teams” interested in harden. Not team but teams .. notably the clippers amongst other suitors. I think once dame is traded we will see harden follow suit

A bidding war sounds good to me!

[Jailblazers7]

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I hate him.

[sixers4real]

Cmon now, it’s Morey.
He’s always nice to everybody, and then he trades them.

[youngcrev]

I'm by no means a Kelly Oubre fan... But if he'd sign for the tMLE, that's a pretty solid upgrade to the vacated Thybulle/McDaniels spot.

He low efficiency'd his way to 20 ppg last year, so I imagine he's looking for more. But if he'd come, he's a wing with athleticism, good size, and willingness (to a fault?) to chuck from 3. In bizarro world where Harden stays and everything is fine somehow, I think he'd be pretty good playing off him, catching backdoor lobs, running in transition, and spotting up.

He's also still only 27 somehow?

[mjkvol]

Good organizations develop players, draft well, coach to their advantage, and find undervalued free agents. Overpaying in trades and free agency isn’t sustainable.

Truth, and it isn't as if it's a secret plan of some kind. It just takes a lot of work, patience, and smart, intelligent management.

And yet here we are as a fan base pining away to make yet another bad trade. Over the last 5-6 years we have become the blueprint of a bad organization, with one bad trade and FA signing after another, all with the goal of winning "now".

Has any organization in all of sports ever f**ked up a stacked deck of assets the way this one did, of course with a huge assist by the NBA? And has any fan base ever wished themselves into irrelevancy the way this one is right now?

[Negrodamus]

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Lol, kinda like this despite it alluding to Morey keeping Tobias. I respect he’s not at the stupid white party.

[ProcessDoctor]

Alright I lied, gotta do one final Dame non-Maxey one...


LAC out: Mann, Covington, Morris, 2028 1st, 2030 1st
LAC in: Harden

PHI out: Harden, Harris, 2029 1st
PHI in: Lillard, Mann, Covington, Morris

POR out: Lillard
POR in: Harris, 2028 LAC 1st, 2029 PHI 1st, 2030 LAC 1st


Lillard/Maxey/Beverley
Mann/Springer/Korkmaz
(Melton trade)/Tucker/House
Covington/Morris/Petrusev
Embiid/Reed/(vet min)

[phiphan]

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Lol, kinda like this despite it alluding to Morey keeping Tobias. I respect he’s not at the stupid white party.

[sixers4real]

Good organizations develop players, draft well, coach to their advantage, and find undervalued free agents. Overpaying in trades and free agency isn’t sustainable.

Truth, and it isn't as if it's a secret plan of some kind. It just takes a lot of work, patience, and smart, intelligent management.

And yet here we are as a fan base pining away to make yet another bad trade. Over the last 5-6 years we have become the blueprint of a bad organization, with one bad trade and FA signing after another, all with the goal of winning "now".

Has any organization in all of sports ever f**ked up a stacked deck of assets the way this one did, of course with a huge assist by the NBA? And has any fan base ever wished themselves into irrelevancy the way this one is right now?

Well, I don’t really think so.
Let’s check NBA Finals MVPs and notable champion names since 2000.

2000 - Shaq (traded from Magic)
2001 - Shaq (traded from Magic)
2002 - Shaq (traded from Magic)
2003 - Duncan
2004 - Billups (traded from Wolves, key pieces also got in a trade - Rasheed and Hamilton)
2005 - Duncan
2006 - Wade (Shaq being key #2 guy after a trade from LA)
2007 - Duncan
2008 - Pierce (because of KG and Allen trades)
2009 - Kobe (Pau and Odom trade)
2010 - Kobe (Pau, Odom and Artest trade)
2011 - Dirk (most of the supporting cast got in a trade. Kidd, Chandler, Marion, Terry)
2012 - LeBron (FA + Bosh also FA)
2013 - LeBron (FA + Bosh also FA and many many others like a hero in Ray Allen)
2014 - Kawhi
2015 - Iguodala (trade or FA, I don’t know)
2016 - LeBron (back as FA + Love trade)
2017 - Durant (trade)
2018 - Durant (trade)
2019 - Kawhi (trade)
2020 - LeBron (FA + Davis trade)
2021 - Giannis (Jrue trade)
2022 - Curry
2023 - Jokic

So, to me it’s 18 times out of 24 at least 1, 2 or 3 top team players were NOT drafted by the team.
Good trades matter for winning title.

And, matter of fact, we already have 2 of the 3 best players on the team that we drafted. Embiid and Maxey. We need good trades to win title:)

[Stanford]

No, because you need to develop players, draft well, coach to their advantage, and find undervalued free agents to make good trades. Unless you're one of the three teams that everyone wants to go to. Which we are not.

[Eyeamok]

Cmon now, it’s Morey.
He’s always nice to everybody, and then he trades them.

Reminds me of Hinkie when he gave Evan Turner a ride to the airport after trading him. Nothing personal just business.

[Eyeamok]

Good organizations develop players, draft well, coach to their advantage, and find undervalued free agents. Overpaying in trades and free agency isn’t sustainable.

Truth, and it isn't as if it's a secret plan of some kind. It just takes a lot of work, patience, and smart, intelligent management.

And yet here we are as a fan base pining away to make yet another bad trade. Over the last 5-6 years we have become the blueprint of a bad organization, with one bad trade and FA signing after another, all with the goal of winning "now".

Has any organization in all of sports ever f**ked up a stacked deck of assets the way this one did, of course with a huge assist by the NBA? And has any fan base ever wished themselves into irrelevancy the way this one is right now?

To be fair the 76ers were on that path of stability throughout the entire organization. And then our process got broken. And this is the result. It's just that simple.

[mjkvol]

Good organizations develop players, draft well, coach to their advantage, and find undervalued free agents. Overpaying in trades and free agency isn’t sustainable.

Truth, and it isn't as if it's a secret plan of some kind. It just takes a lot of work, patience, and smart, intelligent management.

And yet here we are as a fan base pining away to make yet another bad trade. Over the last 5-6 years we have become the blueprint of a bad organization, with one bad trade and FA signing after another, all with the goal of winning "now".

Has any organization in all of sports ever f**ked up a stacked deck of assets the way this one did, of course with a huge assist by the NBA? And has any fan base ever wished themselves into irrelevancy the way this one is right now?

Well, I don’t really think so.
Let’s check NBA Finals MVPs and notable champion names since 2000.

2000 - Shaq (traded from Magic)
2001 - Shaq (traded from Magic)
2002 - Shaq (traded from Magic)
2003 - Duncan
2004 - Billups (traded from Wolves, key pieces also got in a trade - Rasheed and Hamilton)
2005 - Duncan
2006 - Wade (Shaq being key #2 guy after a trade from LA)
2007 - Duncan
2008 - Pierce (because of KG and Allen trades)
2009 - Kobe (Pau and Odom trade)
2010 - Kobe (Pau, Odom and Artest trade)
2011 - Dirk (most of the supporting cast got in a trade. Kidd, Chandler, Marion, Terry)
2012 - LeBron (FA + Bosh also FA)
2013 - LeBron (FA + Bosh also FA and many many others like a hero in Ray Allen)
2014 - Kawhi
2015 - Iguodala (trade or FA, I don’t know)
2016 - LeBron (back as FA + Love trade)
2017 - Durant (trade)
2018 - Durant (trade)
2019 - Kawhi (trade)
2020 - LeBron (FA + Davis trade)
2021 - Giannis (Jrue trade)
2022 - Curry
2023 - Jokic

So, to me it’s 18 times out of 24 at least 1, 2 or 3 top team players were NOT drafted by the team.
Good trades matter for winning title.

And, matter of fact, we already have 2 of the 3 best players on the team that we drafted. Embiid and Maxey. We need good trades to win title:)

You actually made my point. Good trades and signings are an essential part of solid team building, to add depth and role players.

Thats not the same as dumping assets trying to add core players past their prime and/or pn toxic contracts. And we're talking about midsize markets, not destinations and James teams, who can play by different standards.

A perfect example was MIL trading for Jrue - smart trade that filled a vital role and put them over the top. TOR trading for Kawhi was a lottery ticket that actually paid off, but using that as a template is usually a road to nowhere.

[phifans]

Good organizations develop players, draft well, coach to their advantage, and find undervalued free agents. Overpaying in trades and free agency isn’t sustainable.

Truth, and it isn't as if it's a secret plan of some kind. It just takes a lot of work, patience, and smart, intelligent management.

And yet here we are as a fan base pining away to make yet another bad trade. Over the last 5-6 years we have become the blueprint of a bad organization, with one bad trade and FA signing after another, all with the goal of winning "now".

Has any organization in all of sports ever f**ked up a stacked deck of assets the way this one did, of course with a huge assist by the NBA? And has any fan base ever wished themselves into irrelevancy the way this one is right now?

Well, I don’t really think so.
Let’s check NBA Finals MVPs and notable champion names since 2000.

2000 - Shaq (traded from Magic)
2001 - Shaq (traded from Magic)
2002 - Shaq (traded from Magic)
2003 - Duncan
2004 - Billups (traded from Wolves, key pieces also got in a trade - Rasheed and Hamilton)
2005 - Duncan
2006 - Wade (Shaq being key #2 guy after a trade from LA)
2007 - Duncan
2008 - Pierce (because of KG and Allen trades)
2009 - Kobe (Pau and Odom trade)
2010 - Kobe (Pau, Odom and Artest trade)
2011 - Dirk (most of the supporting cast got in a trade. Kidd, Chandler, Marion, Terry)
2012 - LeBron (FA + Bosh also FA)
2013 - LeBron (FA + Bosh also FA and many many others like a hero in Ray Allen)
2014 - Kawhi
2015 - Iguodala (trade or FA, I don’t know)
2016 - LeBron (back as FA + Love trade)
2017 - Durant (trade)
2018 - Durant (trade)
2019 - Kawhi (trade)
2020 - LeBron (FA + Davis trade)
2021 - Giannis (Jrue trade)
2022 - Curry
2023 - Jokic

So, to me it’s 18 times out of 24 at least 1, 2 or 3 top team players were NOT drafted by the team.
Good trades matter for winning title.

And, matter of fact, we already have 2 of the 3 best players on the team that we drafted. Embiid and Maxey. We need good trades to win title:)

If anything this list tells you it's just don't trade for aging declined star player.

[LeonJordanJr24]

Melton 8 mil and Korkmaz 5mil are expendable.

We have Springer to replace Melton and his expiring. Korkmaz has been bench fodder for 3 years now .

13mil plus a MLE 5 mil ?

We need to add a starter at 3/4.

Embiid / Reed
Tobias/ Tucker
---++++/ House
Maxey / Springer
Harden / Bev

[Arsenal]

Truth, and it isn't as if it's a secret plan of some kind. It just takes a lot of work, patience, and smart, intelligent management.

And yet here we are as a fan base pining away to make yet another bad trade. Over the last 5-6 years we have become the blueprint of a bad organization, with one bad trade and FA signing after another, all with the goal of winning "now".

Has any organization in all of sports ever f**ked up a stacked deck of assets the way this one did, of course with a huge assist by the NBA? And has any fan base ever wished themselves into irrelevancy the way this one is right now?

Well, I don’t really think so.
Let’s check NBA Finals MVPs and notable champion names since 2000.

2000 - Shaq (traded from Magic)
2001 - Shaq (traded from Magic)
2002 - Shaq (traded from Magic)
2003 - Duncan
2004 - Billups (traded from Wolves, key pieces also got in a trade - Rasheed and Hamilton)
2005 - Duncan
2006 - Wade (Shaq being key #2 guy after a trade from LA)
2007 - Duncan
2008 - Pierce (because of KG and Allen trades)
2009 - Kobe (Pau and Odom trade)
2010 - Kobe (Pau, Odom and Artest trade)
2011 - Dirk (most of the supporting cast got in a trade. Kidd, Chandler, Marion, Terry)
2012 - LeBron (FA + Bosh also FA)
2013 - LeBron (FA + Bosh also FA and many many others like a hero in Ray Allen)
2014 - Kawhi
2015 - Iguodala (trade or FA, I don’t know)
2016 - LeBron (back as FA + Love trade)
2017 - Durant (trade)
2018 - Durant (trade)
2019 - Kawhi (trade)
2020 - LeBron (FA + Davis trade)
2021 - Giannis (Jrue trade)
2022 - Curry
2023 - Jokic

So, to me it’s 18 times out of 24 at least 1, 2 or 3 top team players were NOT drafted by the team.
Good trades matter for winning title.

And, matter of fact, we already have 2 of the 3 best players on the team that we drafted. Embiid and Maxey. We need good trades to win title:)

If anything this list tells you it's just don't trade for aging declined star player.

THIS. The ONLY team on the list that traded for an aging star on the decline was the 2006 Heat, who won after trading for 33-year-old Shaquille O'Neal.

And Dame Lillard couldn't even sniff Shaq's jock.

[Stanford]

THIS. The ONLY team on the list that traded for an aging star on the decline was the 2006 Heat, who won after trading for 33-year-old Shaquille O'Neal.

And Dame Lillard couldn't even sniff Shaq's jock.

Also notable that they refused to include Wade.

[Skates]

That feeling when you check RealGM and this thread specifically and see it hasn’t advanced a bunch of pages since the last time you checked and your soul sighs because you know not a damn thing has happened since last time you checked…