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Re: Magic waive F Bol Bol 

Post#121 » by jonbob17 » Wed Jul 5, 2023 3:26 pm

SOUL wrote:He'll catch on somewhere quick. He's still interesting.. just not really a winning player at all.

I will remember Bolsanity fondly



Pre injury on 12/31, he was shooting 39% from 3 and 65% TS. His Offense and Defensive ratings were okish. Post injury just horrendous numbers...may have been MVP of holding us back a bit and helping us draft where we did. He was that bad...honestly the Magic may have made the play in game with out him. He averaged 16.33 minutes a game after 12/31...

Kind of surprising we didn't give him another chance...but i guess I don't really see who we could cut either....does kind of seem like we should have figured out a 2 for 1 deal or something ...
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Re: Magic waive F Bol Bol 

Post#122 » by drsd » Wed Jul 5, 2023 3:39 pm

pepe1991 wrote:Next year Magic players will be entering:
Fultz- 7th year
Wendell Carter- 6th year
M. Wagner- 6th year
Cole- 4th year
Suggs & Franz- 3rd year
Banchero- 2 year
Gary Harris -9th year
Isaac -7th year

pls don't give me this "young upcomming " BS excuses that roster is inexperienced.
Some of them are always hurt. But that has nothing to do with experience.


Memphis Grizzlies finished 2021-22 season ( year prior gangsta's pradise live- season ):
Ja Morant- 4th year
Desmond Bane 2th year
Brooks 5th year
Jackson 4th year

And won 56 games.

All this is nothing but creating nice cushion to fall onto excuses once Magic play yet another no-playoffs-season. And usual: injuries, age, too many rookie, experience etc excuse- cushions are already placed.

In reality, portion of fans just will defend every front office under any condition no matter how lazy or bad that front office is.


There is no excuses why Magic haven't traded one PG from cluster by now and there is no reason why they elected to not even attemp to be active during this offseason, when they had money. Instad, they Jeff- Greened- Mortiz Wagner and Joe Ingles.

For crying out loud, they couldn't even make decision on Bol, despite fact they had no roster space to keep him :crazy: , like, literally, fans here figured it's impossible to not waive him at that point, but they didn't? :crazy:





Joe "Great Shooting Form" Ingles is Orlando's difference maker!


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Re: Magic waive F Bol Bol 

Post#123 » by jonbob17 » Wed Jul 5, 2023 3:54 pm

jezzerinho wrote:I wanna be clear on my feelings regarding 1) how an FO should move and 2) what we should be doing to get better

1) "We're not goint to rush anything" keeps getting spouted like its a positive. It's not. It might be the inevitable consequence of following a specific long term plan, but theres nothing great in itself about puting off getting better to a future date.

The argument I keep getting against teams consolidating and/or leveraging assets is a list of the times that went wrong for teams. Ignoring that its the modus operandi of the entire league, so you better be good at it or you are, BY DEFINITION, not a good FO.

An FO needs to recognise the moment that the value for a non-core asset has peaked for the team, but where there's still value on that player in the eyes of the league. If that asset is not core amd there are better/competing options for that player on the team or in the proposed trade, you should move the player. When both buying and selling, you need to take advantage of information and/or value mismatches. Irrespective of what point you're at with your team, this is a fundamental aspect of building a winner.

Being "loyal" has fairly little weight in the NBA. The "players will want to come to the Magic" line is wishful thinking. Agents get paid more whwn players move than when they stand still, so dont believe for a second the liyalty card is a big one for them. Who got paid more the last 5 years, Harden's agent or Lillard's agent?

A good FO, as soon as they recognise they have potential star pieces (which are the cornerstone of any title bid), they need to design a team that will maximise that potential and do it asap. I dont deny that design might include signing no vet starters and doing it all through the draft/bench vets. But as a plan it seems pretty unlikely to work, for reasons of inexperience and future cap glut.

2) What i would have done, as soon as I realised last Xmas that we had 2 potential stars:
I would have used some of Fultz/Suggs/Cole/Harris/Isaac/WCJ/#6/#36/future picks to bring in a vet guard, who will teach our team how to win and play playoff BB. This player would need to have max 3 years remaining (excl team options), so if we had to we could get out from under it before the two max deals coincide.

Paul George would cost a ton, be a huge risk healthwise and will want a big extension. But if we really only are worried about the next 2/3 years to "level-up" our young guys by sharing the court with maybe the most well-rounded guard/forward in the league, I fornone would pay that price. Why? Because i know why im doing it, i know that we cant have more high-pick rooks, i know that if we become a playoff team as we expect we wont have lottery picks, so future picks will be worth less, i know what i have in Fultz/Cole/WCJ/Isaac/Houstan/Harris et al and so i dont habe to worry too much about a Hennigan/Oladipo situation.

George is just one name. There are many other guys we could discuss. But my plan would be to get in a reasonably-priced star on a short deal who can establish a winning culture into a loser team, before the max deals kick in.


Look at the teams with recent success

Denver drafted 3 players: Jokic, Murray, MPJ. Jokic became an all star in year 4, which was their last year in the lottery. JOkic year 5 they probably could be considered contenders, and serious contenders this year (Jokic year 8)...granted Murray and MPJ were hurt previous year.

Golden State - Home grown. Steph Curry year 5 became an all star. They were a bit a head of time with the competing, but year 6 of Curry when they won their first championship.

Boston - they are kind of a weird team because they had the best record in the NBA in 2017, and were able to draft Tatum that year because of that crazy deal they made with the Nets. Tatum became an all star in year 3, and they made it to the finals in Tatum year 5. But again home grown talent, made some deals in the margins up until last offseason..outside of guards pre-Tatum

Suns - Booker year 5 became an all star. Year 6 of Booker was the first year they made the playoffs, and jumped all the way to 2nd seed. They pushed all their chips in this year for better or worse.

Then you have like Cleveland who drafted Garland and Mobley, found a steal trade filler in Jarrett Allen, thought they could accelerate things by adding Mitchell. Garland became an all star in year 3. I don't know it kind of felt like they were headed to the top of the east...but now I am not so sure i think they may have made their move too early to see how the team really fit.

Other teams in home grown situation Memphis, Sacramento (Haliburton turned into Sabonis), Hawks another team that may have made acquistions too early to try and Keep Trae Happy.

76ers definitely home grown over a long period of time then acquired players.
Milwaukee Ginanis year 4 all star, year 6 contender...win championship Giannis year 8 after they added Holiday.

Do you want be good like a 4 seed or do you want to win it all, if its the latter you either have to be very patient with the talent you draft OR be like the Lakers or Miami who can go out and get whatever Free Agents they want with a little bit of planning.
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Re: Magic waive F Bol Bol 

Post#124 » by eyriq » Wed Jul 5, 2023 3:58 pm

jonbob17 wrote:
jezzerinho wrote:I wanna be clear on my feelings regarding 1) how an FO should move and 2) what we should be doing to get better

1) "We're not goint to rush anything" keeps getting spouted like its a positive. It's not. It might be the inevitable consequence of following a specific long term plan, but theres nothing great in itself about puting off getting better to a future date.

The argument I keep getting against teams consolidating and/or leveraging assets is a list of the times that went wrong for teams. Ignoring that its the modus operandi of the entire league, so you better be good at it or you are, BY DEFINITION, not a good FO.

An FO needs to recognise the moment that the value for a non-core asset has peaked for the team, but where there's still value on that player in the eyes of the league. If that asset is not core amd there are better/competing options for that player on the team or in the proposed trade, you should move the player. When both buying and selling, you need to take advantage of information and/or value mismatches. Irrespective of what point you're at with your team, this is a fundamental aspect of building a winner.

Being "loyal" has fairly little weight in the NBA. The "players will want to come to the Magic" line is wishful thinking. Agents get paid more whwn players move than when they stand still, so dont believe for a second the liyalty card is a big one for them. Who got paid more the last 5 years, Harden's agent or Lillard's agent?

A good FO, as soon as they recognise they have potential star pieces (which are the cornerstone of any title bid), they need to design a team that will maximise that potential and do it asap. I dont deny that design might include signing no vet starters and doing it all through the draft/bench vets. But as a plan it seems pretty unlikely to work, for reasons of inexperience and future cap glut.

2) What i would have done, as soon as I realised last Xmas that we had 2 potential stars:
I would have used some of Fultz/Suggs/Cole/Harris/Isaac/WCJ/#6/#36/future picks to bring in a vet guard, who will teach our team how to win and play playoff BB. This player would need to have max 3 years remaining (excl team options), so if we had to we could get out from under it before the two max deals coincide.

Paul George would cost a ton, be a huge risk healthwise and will want a big extension. But if we really only are worried about the next 2/3 years to "level-up" our young guys by sharing the court with maybe the most well-rounded guard/forward in the league, I fornone would pay that price. Why? Because i know why im doing it, i know that we cant have more high-pick rooks, i know that if we become a playoff team as we expect we wont have lottery picks, so future picks will be worth less, i know what i have in Fultz/Cole/WCJ/Isaac/Houstan/Harris et al and so i dont habe to worry too much about a Hennigan/Oladipo situation.

George is just one name. There are many other guys we could discuss. But my plan would be to get in a reasonably-priced star on a short deal who can establish a winning culture into a loser team, before the max deals kick in.


Look at the teams with recent success

Denver drafted 3 players: Jokic, Murray, MPJ. Jokic became an all star in year 4, which was their last year in the lottery. JOkic year 5 they probably could be considered contenders, and serious contenders this year...granted Murray and MPJ were hurt previous year.

Golden State - Home grown. Steph Curry year 5 became an all star. They were a bit a head of time with the competing, but year 6 of Curry when they won their first championship.

Boston - they are kind of a weird team because they had the best record in the NBA in 2017, and were able to draft Tatum because of that crazy deal they made with the Nets. Tatum became an all star in year 3, and they made it to the finals in year 5. But again home grown talent, made some deals in the margins up until this offseason

Suns - Booker year 5 became an all star. Year 6 of Booker was the first year they made the playoffs, and jumped all the way to 2nd seed. They pushed all their chips in this year for better or worse.

Then you have like Cleveland who drafted Garland and Mobley, found a steal FA in Jarrett Allen, thought they could accelerate things by adding Mitchell. Garland became an all star in year 3. I don't know it kind of felt like they were headed to the top of the east...but now I am not so sure i think they may have made their move too early to see how the team really fit.

Other teams in home grown situation Memphis, Sacramento (Haliburton turned into Sabonis), Hawks another team that may have made acquistions too early to try and Keep Trae Happy.

76ers definitely home grown over a long period of time then acquired players.
Milwaukee Ginanis year 4 all star, year 6 contender...win championship Giannis year 8 after they added Holiday.

Do you want be good like a 4 seed or do you want to win it all, if its the latter you either have to be very patient with the talent you draft OR be like the Lakers or Miami who can go out and get whatever Free Agents they want with a little bit of planning.
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Re: Magic waive F Bol Bol 

Post#125 » by VFX » Wed Jul 5, 2023 4:12 pm

jonbob17 wrote:
Do you want be good like a 4 seed or do you want to win it all, if its the latter you either have to be very patient with the talent you draft OR be like the Lakers or Miami who can go out and get whatever Free Agents they want with a little bit of planning.


Are people aware that not every single trade transaction needs to result in a blockbuster win-now move?

You can improve the roster in more than one direction than 1:1 trades involving only starters or giant consolidations. They need to make multiple decent trades to clear room for one great one.

This is the same argument SOUL is making, which doesn't make sense. Is the argument that we can't trade Fultz because it isn't in a package for Paul George or SGA? Like.. what? Do role players and bench guys with upside just not exist in this equation whatsoever? Players have direct value outside of their salary.

If Bol Bol's contract is about to expire, and he is coming off a stretch of months that make him look like a solid rotation piece, then it would be a reasonable question as to why we aren't gauging his value sooner than later.

Are the Magic completely locked into giving Bol Bol, Mortiz Wagner, Terrance Ross, and Mo Bamba 20mpg when they actually play? The answer is absolutely not.

So why then are people giving this "OH WELL HE WASNT WORTH ANYTHING ANYWAY!" ridiculous statement when people on the general board are gassing him up 4 months ago and Orlando's bench is still absolute ****.

Nah, everyone is good with players getting waived, traded for 2nd round picks that are kicked down the road, and getting as little value as possible for guys that have been rotting on the bench for seasons at a time.

This response isn't directed entirely at you, Im just using your statement as an example to the first portion.
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Re: Magic waive F Bol Bol 

Post#126 » by jonbob17 » Wed Jul 5, 2023 4:18 pm

MagicMatic wrote:
jonbob17 wrote:
Do you want be good like a 4 seed or do you want to win it all, if its the latter you either have to be very patient with the talent you draft OR be like the Lakers or Miami who can go out and get whatever Free Agents they want with a little bit of planning.


Are people aware that not every single trade transaction needs to result in a blockbuster win-now move?

You can improve the roster in more than one direction than 1:1 trades involving only starters or giant consolidations. They need to make multiple decent trades to clear room for one great one.

This is the same argument SOUL is making, which doesn't make sense. Is the argument that we can't trade Fultz because it isn't in a package for Paul George or SGA? Like.. what? Do role players and bench guys with upside just not exist in this equation whatsoever?

If Bol Bol's contract is about to expire, and he is coming off a stretch of months that make him look like a solid rotation piece, then it would be a reasonable question as to why we aren't gauging his value sooner than later.

Are the Magic completely locked into giving Bol Bol, Mortiz Wagner, Terrance Ross, and Mo Bamba 20mpg when they actually play? The answer is absolutely not.

So why then are people giving this "OH WELL HE WASNT WORTH ANYTHING ANYWAY!" ridiculous statement when people on the general board are gassing him up 4 months ago and Orlando's bench is still absolute ****.

Nah, everyone is good with players getting waived, traded for 2nd round picks that are kicked down the road, and getting as little value as possible for guys that have been rotting on the bench for seasons at a time.


My point is if we had traded for (or signed) some guard to upgrade PG of SG...what does that do the the long-term development of the young guards we have and should be a part of our future contending teams.

A small consolidation trade probably was in order, but we don't need Paul George or Bradley Beal in 2023 to win a championship in 2027. But we will need one or both of Anthony Black and Jalen Suggs.

And as for Bol I am not sure we would have traded him in December of last year after his hype train was out of control. He was fantastic, he got hurt, and then he was rubbish. Did we know he would get hurt and fly off the rails? No of course not...we thought we had a steal for the next two years. Probably should have been able to move him in small deal this offseason, but apparently couldnt. There had to be a cut, and he was last kind guy on the roster...kind of happens to rebuilding teams that add lots of youth...look at what OKC has done in recent years or Houston just did.
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Re: Magic waive F Bol Bol 

Post#127 » by VFX » Wed Jul 5, 2023 4:28 pm

jonbob17 wrote:
MagicMatic wrote:
jonbob17 wrote:
Do you want be good like a 4 seed or do you want to win it all, if its the latter you either have to be very patient with the talent you draft OR be like the Lakers or Miami who can go out and get whatever Free Agents they want with a little bit of planning.


Are people aware that not every single trade transaction needs to result in a blockbuster win-now move?

You can improve the roster in more than one direction than 1:1 trades involving only starters or giant consolidations. They need to make multiple decent trades to clear room for one great one.

This is the same argument SOUL is making, which doesn't make sense. Is the argument that we can't trade Fultz because it isn't in a package for Paul George or SGA? Like.. what? Do role players and bench guys with upside just not exist in this equation whatsoever?

If Bol Bol's contract is about to expire, and he is coming off a stretch of months that make him look like a solid rotation piece, then it would be a reasonable question as to why we aren't gauging his value sooner than later.

Are the Magic completely locked into giving Bol Bol, Mortiz Wagner, Terrance Ross, and Mo Bamba 20mpg when they actually play? The answer is absolutely not.

So why then are people giving this "OH WELL HE WASNT WORTH ANYTHING ANYWAY!" ridiculous statement when people on the general board are gassing him up 4 months ago and Orlando's bench is still absolute ****.

Nah, everyone is good with players getting waived, traded for 2nd round picks that are kicked down the road, and getting as little value as possible for guys that have been rotting on the bench for seasons at a time.


My point is if we had traded for (or signed) some guard to upgrade PG of SG...what does that do the the long-term development of the young guards we have and should be a part of our future contending teams.

A small consolidation trade probably was in order, but we don't need Paul George or Bradley Beal in 2023 to win a championship in 2027. But we will need one or both of Anthony Black and Jalen Suggs.


I agree on both statements.

I just don't understand where this idea that Bol couldn't be moved for a different guy with a different skillset. Players like Okeke don't have THAT much value.

There is a grey area between being a push all the chips in Miami/LA and an organically grown Golden State team when it comes to micro transactions. Certain casuals get lost in this idea that none of those moves matter because it isn't something getting talked about on espn or effecting the starting lineup, when in reality they are moves that position teams a certain way to make those bigger decisions.

Then I hear about people incessantly talking about how genius Miami is for their roster decisions and maximizing value.

People cant have it both ways.
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Re: Magic waive F Bol Bol 

Post#128 » by pepe1991 » Wed Jul 5, 2023 6:00 pm

Some "examples " here are flat out false

Denver Nuggets traded for "center of future" in Jusuf Nurkic on draft night in 2014.

They got Jokic in 2015.

After just one and half year of them both existing on same roster, Nuggets parted ways with Nurkic to get all the PT to Jokic. Definition of DECISION made.



Second example same team.
2015 - 7th overall pick by Nuggets is Mudiay. He starts all but two games as rookie. He sucks.
2016- they draft new PG- Murray. Murray is 19 and only starts 10 games. But gets consistant 22 mpg and produces.
2017- Murray is full time starter. Mudiay is removed from starting lineup and traded . DECISION MADE.


Third example, same team.

Jokic just finished 2 years in NBA. He is great but not allstar let alone superstar. Nuggets front office steps in and makes DECISION to get balls deep in free agency to make roster changes to help team reach next level.
They didn't bother with infamous "timelines" , they resign Mason Plumlee and get 33 years old Paul MIllsap on 3 years $90M contract.

They win 46 games. Miss playoffs but get taste of what playing for something means.


In year 4 of Jokic, he is allstar, they are 54 wins team and pass first round.


Now if that was Magic, according to fans, we would keep Nurkic and Jokic for 6 years. Resign Mudiay just to be sure he won't break out in year 8. Probably also resigned "on good contracts ,team friendly" Farried because he is "good guy".

Magic decisions are non existent, that's why i called front office spineless. They refuse to make anything that could be viewed as "bad " in retrospective so they do - nothing, 99% of time.

Whole job of front office isn't to win every trade but to build team. That requires making unpopular decisions and even make mistakes along the lines. Lining up 50% of roster to be free agents in 2024 ( and near 70% of roster by 2025) is crazy.
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Post#129 » by I Rasharted » Wed Jul 5, 2023 6:12 pm

tooler wrote:I remember now that Bol was so happy that he had found a home last season. Now I'm sad.

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Re: Magic waive F Bol Bol 

Post#130 » by jezzerinho » Wed Jul 5, 2023 6:27 pm

MagicMatic wrote:
jonbob17 wrote:
Do you want be good like a 4 seed or do you want to win it all, if its the latter you either have to be very patient with the talent you draft OR be like the Lakers or Miami who can go out and get whatever Free Agents they want with a little bit of planning.


Are people aware that not every single trade transaction needs to result in a blockbuster win-now move?

You can improve the roster in more than one direction than 1:1 trades involving only starters or giant consolidations. They need to make multiple decent trades to clear room for one great one.

This is the same argument SOUL is making, which doesn't make sense. Is the argument that we can't trade Fultz because it isn't in a package for Paul George or SGA? Like.. what? Do role players and bench guys with upside just not exist in this equation whatsoever? Players have direct value outside of their salary.

If Bol Bol's contract is about to expire, and he is coming off a stretch of months that make him look like a solid rotation piece, then it would be a reasonable question as to why we aren't gauging his value sooner than later.

Are the Magic completely locked into giving Bol Bol, Mortiz Wagner, Terrance Ross, and Mo Bamba 20mpg when they actually play? The answer is absolutely not.

So why then are people giving this "OH WELL HE WASNT WORTH ANYTHING ANYWAY!" ridiculous statement when people on the general board are gassing him up 4 months ago and Orlando's bench is still absolute ****.

Nah, everyone is good with players getting waived, traded for 2nd round picks that are kicked down the road, and getting as little value as possible for guys that have been rotting on the bench for seasons at a time.

This response isn't directed entirely at you, Im just using your statement as an example to the first portion.



Exactly. Its not binary. You need to supplement your roster with vet talent AND you need tonget value fornthe players you dont think fit anymore. Its a 3-legged stool and Orlando is teetering on 2 legs.
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Post#131 » by Kent » Wed Jul 5, 2023 6:45 pm

pepe1991 wrote:Some "examples " here are flat out false

Denver Nuggets traded for "center of future" in Jusuf Nurkic on draft night in 2014.

They got Jokic in 2015.

After just one and half year of them both existing on same roster, Nuggets parted ways with Nurkic to get all the PT to Jokic. Definition of DECISION made.



Second example same team.
2015 - 7th overall pick by Nuggets is Mudiay. He starts all but two games as rookie. He sucks.
2016- they draft new PG- Murray. Murray is 19 and only starts 10 games. But gets consistant 22 mpg and produces.
2017- Murray is full time starter. Mudiay is removed from starting lineup and traded . DECISION MADE.


Third example, same team.

Jokic just finished 2 years in NBA. He is great but not allstar let alone superstar. Nuggets front office steps in and makes DECISION to get balls deep in free agency to make roster changes to help team reach next level.
They didn't bother with infamous "timelines" , they resign Mason Plumlee and get 33 years old Paul MIllsap on 3 years $90M contract.

They win 46 games. Miss playoffs but get taste of what playing for something means.


In year 4 of Jokic, he is allstar, they are 54 wins team and pass first round.


Now if that was Magic, according to fans, we would keep Nurkic and Jokic for 6 years. Resign Mudiay just to be sure he won't break out in year 8. Probably also resigned "on good contracts ,team friendly" Farried because he is "good guy".

Magic decisions are non existent, that's why i called front office spineless. They refuse to make anything that could be viewed as "bad " in retrospective so they do - nothing, 99% of time.

Whole job of front office isn't to win every trade but to build team. That requires making unpopular decisions and even make mistakes along the lines. Lining up 50% of roster to be free agents in 2024 ( and near 70% of roster by 2025) is crazy.


Isn't waiving Bol after one season an instance of "decision made?"

I acknowledge that the FO does take more time to evaluate talent as compared to your cited examples.

I guess I would say there are pros and cons to both strategies but neither one is inherently superior.

I'm also not saying I prefer one to the other. Personality, I try to stay neutral as it regards FO moves because I don't know the full story and landscape. I've also never been in their seat so what do I know?

But we all have opinions and that's cool too.
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Re: Magic waive F Bol Bol 

Post#132 » by yoyojw17 » Wed Jul 5, 2023 7:49 pm

pepe1991 wrote:Next year Magic players will be entering:
Fultz- 7th year
Wendell Carter- 6th year
M. Wagner- 6th year
Cole- 4th year
Suggs & Franz- 3rd year
Banchero- 2 year
Gary Harris -9th year
Isaac -7th year

pls don't give me this "young upcomming " BS excuses that roster is inexperienced.
Some of them are always hurt. But that has nothing to do with experience.


Memphis Grizzlies finished 2021-22 season ( year prior gangsta's pradise live- season ):
Ja Morant- 4th year
Desmond Bane 2th year
Brooks 5th year
Jackson 4th year

And won 56 games.

All this is nothing but creating nice cushion to fall onto excuses once Magic play yet another no-playoffs-season. And usual: injuries, age, too many rookie, experience etc excuse- cushions are already placed.

In reality, portion of fans just will defend every front office under any condition no matter how lazy or bad that front office is.


There is no excuses why Magic haven't traded one PG from cluster by now and there is no reason why they elected to not even attemp to be active during this offseason, when they had money. Instad, they Jeff- Greened- Mortiz Wagner and Joe Ingles.

For crying out loud, they couldn't even make decision on Bol, despite fact they had no roster space to keep him :crazy: , like, literally, fans here figured it's impossible to not waive him at that point, but they didn't? :crazy:


Sweet ... so we're on track ... because this will be season #2 with our star player, #3 for his partner in crime.... and we could have possibly been a .500 team without injuries to all of our PG at the beginning of the season. And IF you believe your young core is continuing to grow.... then YES you pick up impactful players that don't have to see the court (allowing the focal point to grow more and evaluate their trajectory) but bring intangibles to the team while securing flexibility for the moment an opportunity. Mo brings a consistent fire no matter what. He plays the same level of intensity at all times... up by 12 or down by 12. and we've all heard by now how Joe Ingles has affect on the team and brings a toughness and winning attitude.... allowing players less of a chance slack and more of a chance to excel.

and yes... injuries and growth are the reasons to not trade PG in the 3rd year and 2nd year... that are showing improvements. or the 6th year pg that dealt with injuries till that point and came back seemingly on track

and How do you really know why they did waive Bol Bol? could they have been attempting to hold onto him as a trade chip in a trade, wanted to do good by him and get him a spot somewhere else (securing another years salary), or... let's wait to see how coaches feel about summer league prospects? many different reasons to take your time if there is nothing pressing.
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Re: Magic waive F Bol Bol 

Post#133 » by RookieStar » Wed Jul 5, 2023 9:13 pm

I actually was entertained reading all the posts here but in the corner of my eye i saw the thread title "bolbol"

WTF? How did Ingles, Payton, Harris, the PHI championship with Gordon, get on here?
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Re: Magic waive F Bol Bol 

Post#134 » by Furinkazan » Thu Jul 6, 2023 3:23 pm

turns out he had a nagative value
The Mavs called the Orlando Magic about a potential trade for Bol Bol, via NBA reporter Marc Stein. However, Dallas' offer was to take on Bol's contract in exchange for the 36th overall pick. Orlando ultimately declined their trade and sent No. 36 to the Milwaukee Bucks for future draft capital.
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Re: Magic waive F Bol Bol 

Post#135 » by Furinkazan » Thu Jul 6, 2023 3:24 pm

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Re: Magic waive F Bol Bol 

Post#136 » by Skybox » Thu Jul 6, 2023 3:31 pm

Furinkazan wrote:turns out he had a nagative value
The Mavs called the Orlando Magic about a potential trade for Bol Bol, via NBA reporter Marc Stein. However, Dallas' offer was to take on Bol's contract in exchange for the 36th overall pick. Orlando ultimately declined their trade and sent No. 36 to the Milwaukee Bucks for future draft capital.


worst trade offer ever...were they aware it was non-guaranteed?
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Re: Magic waive F Bol Bol 

Post#137 » by thelead » Thu Jul 6, 2023 3:34 pm

This board has some insufferable fans…. Go for a walk… relax…. Enjoy your life… woosah and all of that
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Re: Magic waive F Bol Bol 

Post#138 » by Audi » Thu Jul 6, 2023 4:21 pm

lol. sky is falling because he didn't get value for Bol.

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Re: Magic waive F Bol Bol 

Post#139 » by Optimus_Steel » Thu Jul 6, 2023 7:28 pm

Audi wrote:lol. sky is falling because he didn't get value for Bol.

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Re: Magic waive F Bol Bol 

Post#140 » by The-Stallion70 » Thu Jul 6, 2023 7:50 pm

He couldn't really guard anywhere unless it was blocking a shot. He was easily boxed put by other bigs. And he doesn't shoot well enough to spread the floor for Paolo or Franz.

Was fun to watch slenderman go coast to coast though. I think he'll get picked up by some team but I don't think he's a rotation player for a playoff team.
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