Bucks News, Transactions and Trade Ideas - Beasley on a 1 Year Deal

[German Athens]

I really don’t know about the value of these, but just combining some targets from this board:

Bobby, Grayson, 29 first for KPJ

Jrue for quickley, barrett, roby, Dallas 24 first, our 25 first

Look to see what barrett and two firsts can get you, or roll with the quickley, KPJ, barrett backcourt for this season.

Next off-season, if you still have barrett:
barrett, Pat, 4 firsts for KAT

Trade brook for Dort plus filler - I really don’t know who would be interested in brook, but I could see okc valuing his size, defense and expiring contract.

Re-sign roby

Quickley
KPJ - Dort
Midds - marjon - Andre
Giannis - Roby - Livingston
KAT -

I would think KPJ's value is considerably lower than that right now. Think he is generally viewed as an empty-calorie malcontent.

No denying his upside, but not someone I would be targeting unless it is for dirt cheap (ie the rumored Grayson, Allen, 2nd package)

Even better!

I don’t know how he’d actually accept being a 6th man for a season, and if it’s too much of overlapping skillsets, but:

Mke: quickley, KPJ
Hou: Grayson, 2nd, roby
Nyk: Bobby, ‘29 first

You could give Jrue, quickley, KPJ each 30+ minutes per game, and the shot creation would be a major upgrade from our guard rotation - you’d also get a good look at two young guards before deciding how you want to pivot longer term.

[HKPackFan]

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son of a b-yacht

it was true.

Yeah if we make that trade it would have changed everything, and it's very unlikely we would have been in the same position for the next draft and have taken Giannis. That's how I've rationalised it anyway. If we would have been Charlotte over the last 8-10 years, I'm sure it would still eat away at me.

I agree... Different timeline, doubtful we get giannis, he goes to Atlanta instead or something.

It's like I said in the 90s with the Packers...after the first superbowl win.

We talk about "if only we drafted Barry sanders instead of Tony mandarich"

Yet I think of we draft Barry sanders we probably become the 90s lions. Drafting mandarich failed so spectacularly it forced the organization to clean hose and bring in Ron wolf and the rest is history.

Bucks bring in curry. We probably chase 6 seeds for next 10 years always in the playoffs maybe no new owners, no rebuilding and never get a giannis, no championship.

[Daver]

I’m still not sold at all on that “insider” account. But yeah if any of that is true Horst can’t give in and include the 1st, would be a big L. If Ainge is being difficult then just move on for now, there will be other decent shot creators we can acquire later on, doesn’t need to be done in early July.

Ainge will give in this deal will get done

[RiotPunch]

I really don’t know about the value of these, but just combining some targets from this board:

Bobby, Grayson, 29 first for KPJ

Jrue for quickley, barrett, roby, Dallas 24 first, our 25 first

Look to see what barrett and two firsts can get you, or roll with the quickley, KPJ, barrett backcourt for this season.

Next off-season, if you still have barrett:
barrett, Pat, 4 firsts for KAT

Trade brook for Dort plus filler - I really don’t know who would be interested in brook, but I could see okc valuing his size, defense and expiring contract.

Re-sign roby

Quickley
KPJ - Dort
Midds - marjon - Andre
Giannis - Roby - Livingston
KAT -

I would think KPJ's value is considerably lower than that right now. Think he is generally viewed as an empty-calorie malcontent.

No denying his upside, but not someone I would be targeting unless it is for dirt cheap (ie the rumored Grayson, Allen, 2nd package)

Even better!

I don’t know how he’d actually accept being a 6th man for a season, and if it’s too much of overlapping skillsets, but:

Mke: quickley, KPJ
Hou: Grayson, 2nd, roby
Nyk: Bobby, ‘29 first

You could give Jrue, quickley, KPJ each 30+ minutes per game, and the shot creation would be a major upgrade from our guard rotation - you’d also get a good look at two young guards before deciding how you want to pivot longer term.

That would be cool, even if our frontcourt takes a pretty massive hit. IQ/KPJ actually complement each other quite nicely, imo.

[Daver]

FWIW got this off twitter

Spot on. Jazz asking price as of now seems to have Milwaukee thrown off. Still talks to continue don’t get me wrong - but the Bucks view they have done the Jazz a favour by including a valuable piece to them in Connaughton + a decent rotation piece in Allen + potential pick(s).

[RiotPunch]

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[dedned]

We should be the ones getting the pick in that deal.

[BucksRule18]

I keep seeing a lot of trade proposals to improve the roster, which makes sense. However, since the Bucks won the championship 2 years ago (after 50 years), I just can't see the them parting ways with most of their core pieces.

Giannis - That's a no brainer. Of course you do everything to keep him, including signing his brother to multiple minimum deals.
Middleton - Key piece in us winning the chip and someone who Giannis genuinely likes and has been there with him from the very beginning. There was no chance of the Bucks ever not signing or trading him.
Holiday - Key in us winning the chip, especially on the defensive end. A great human being who has also done a lot for the community. The Bucks will likely keep him, even if they know he'll walk away for nothing in 2 years.
Lopez - Same as the others. They even threw in Robin to keep him around. Did that before as well.
Connaughton - They will not part with him because of his close relationship to Giannis.
Portis - A fan favorite, great Game 6 against the Suns, and a guy who did a handshake deal for a small 1 year deal, just to give the Bucks cap space.

Let's face it, the only tradeable guy at this point is Grayson Allen and maybe Marjon. For a small market team, which has a hard time signing key free agents, they can't risk alienating anyone.

[skbucks1985]

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A friend and I were looking at this person's feed yesterday and speculating on who they probably are and our best guess was NBATV intern

[RiotPunch]

If we're all posting most-likely-BS tweets:

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A friend and I were looking at this person's feed yesterday and speculating on who they probably are and our best guess was NBATV intern

Hard to say. He is beating the heavy hitters to the punch on some stuff but he's got nothing to lose for being early/wrong either.

[DingleJerry]

Getting Beasly makes at least of one of Pat/Allan very expendable. Almost have to think its a big indicator a trade involving one of them is on the horizon. Most likely Allan due to being more money and expiring, and also likely more valuable to other teams.

I know its scary on this board to trade 1sts and I do get the risk many years down the line as Giannis ages. But guys trading a 1st right now isn't the same as in like 2012 when its almost for sure a top 10 pick. You would have to get very unlucky for the trade to end up in the lottery and chances are a hypothetical Sexton trade they'd probably let you tack on a top 10-15 protection on it and be fine with it. That eliminates the "we've made a huge mistake" situation happening in 6 years. But yea doesn't surprise me Ainge might be being psycho on demanding that and more. OTOH, if you're getting Sexton without trading Bobby you're probably coming out better than we all would've guessed a month ago in a hypothetical for guys like him, Rozier, etc. Overall I like Sexton as at target after doing all they can to get Dame, think I was one of the early people to bring him up. we'll see

[skbucks1985]

If we're all posting most-likely-BS tweets:

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A friend and I were looking at this person's feed yesterday and speculating on who they probably are and our best guess was NBATV intern

Hard to say. He is beating the heavy hitters to the punch on some stuff but he's got nothing to lose for being early/wrong either.

Pretty much everything they've said is unprovable speculation and what's remaining is stuff other people with real credibility have already said

[tedbrogen]

Giannis is not currently under contract for the 28-29 season, as are none of the current players, and Giannis will be 34 years old that season. There is no guarantee the 2029 pick won’t be a lottery pick or even top three pick. (There is a reason Ainge wants that pick, it’s super valuable because as soon as Giannis leaves or declines, the franchise is back to the dark ages unless they draft another superstar)

None of the names floated for trade scenarios, outside of Dame, are guaranteed to increase title chances of this team.

Trading an unprotected pick six years out for Sexton or Quickley is not something I would do.

[jschligs]

Can MD please ban anyone who posts NBA Insider tweets? I'm so sick of that guy.

[tedbrogen]

I’m still not sold at all on that “insider” account. But yeah if any of that is true Horst can’t give in and include the 1st, would be a big L. If Ainge is being difficult then just move on for now, there will be other decent shot creators we can acquire later on, doesn’t need to be done in early July.

Ainge will give in this deal will get done

I hope so as Ainge has let guys go in the past for not massive packages but my concern is he has it in his mind that he gets that 2029 1st or no deal.

[RiotPunch]

Getting Beasly makes at least of one of Pat/Allan very expendable. Almost have to think its a big indicator a trade involving one of them is on the horizon. Most likely Allan due to being more money and expiring, and also likely more valuable to other teams.

I know its scary on this board to trade 1sts and I do get the risk many years down the line as Giannis ages. But guys trading a 1st right now isn't the same as in like 2012 when its almost for sure a top 10 pick. You would have to get very unlucky for the trade to end up in the lottery and chances are a hypothetical Sexton trade they'd probably let you tack on a top 10-15 protection on it and be fine with it. That eliminates the "we've made a huge mistake" situation happening in 6 years. But yea doesn't surprise me Ainge might be being psycho on demanding that and more. OTOH, if you're getting Sexton without trading Bobby you're probably coming out better than we all would've guessed a month ago in a hypothetical for guys like him, Rozier, etc. Overall I like Sexton as at target after doing all they can to get Dame, think I was one of the early people to bring him up. we'll see

Slos has been talking about it for a while now, but saving our 1st now allows us to have three tradeable 1sts next summer. Seems like we are trying to stay below the 2nd apron to preserve that offer.

[DingleJerry]

Giannis is not currently under contract for the 28-29 season, as are none of the current players, and Giannis will be 34 years old that season. There is no guarantee the 2029 pick won’t be a lottery pick or even top three pick. (There is a reason Ainge wants that pick, it’s super valuable because as soon as Giannis leaves or declines, the franchise is back to the dark ages unless they draft another superstar)

None of the names floated for trade scenarios, outside of Dame, are guaranteed to increase title chances of this team.

Trading an unprotected pick six years out for Sexton or Quickley is not something I would do.

Again, you'd have to get very unlucky though for Giannis to leave and/or be so bad that pick is in the lottery. Plus, you'd have to botch every trade of him, Khris, Jrue to not be getting enough back to not be a competent team. We have to break the perpetual pessimism. Yea, if they demand fully unprotect sure say No to avoid the catastrophic situation but otherwise tack on some protection with both sides realizing it's likely gonna be in the 20s and go for it. But I think Giannis becomes extension eligible next year already, it's probably 90% a year from now that pick's value is trash the minute he signs the extension.

And yes, having a Sexton type over Allan for sure increases the chances of a title next year. plus he's signed and cost controlled for years. Adding a young player like him actually helps in the resigning of Giannis. But in general you can't be expecting to land starter level players for nothing.

[DingleJerry]

Getting Beasly makes at least of one of Pat/Allan very expendable. Almost have to think its a big indicator a trade involving one of them is on the horizon. Most likely Allan due to being more money and expiring, and also likely more valuable to other teams.

I know its scary on this board to trade 1sts and I do get the risk many years down the line as Giannis ages. But guys trading a 1st right now isn't the same as in like 2012 when its almost for sure a top 10 pick. You would have to get very unlucky for the trade to end up in the lottery and chances are a hypothetical Sexton trade they'd probably let you tack on a top 10-15 protection on it and be fine with it. That eliminates the "we've made a huge mistake" situation happening in 6 years. But yea doesn't surprise me Ainge might be being psycho on demanding that and more. OTOH, if you're getting Sexton without trading Bobby you're probably coming out better than we all would've guessed a month ago in a hypothetical for guys like him, Rozier, etc. Overall I like Sexton as at target after doing all they can to get Dame, think I was one of the early people to bring him up. we'll see

Slos has been talking about it for a while now, but saving our 1st now allows us to have three tradeable 1sts next summer. Seems like we are trying to stay below the 2nd apron to preserve that offer.

That would be the more accurate argument. holding out so you can create a bigger package for a bigger star next year. Not that this pick is incredibly valuable that we need to be afraid to trade it

[GHOSTofSIKMA]

if sexton isnt worth a first to upgrade over what we have already then why bother

[emunney]

if sexton isnt worth a first to upgrade over what we have already then why bother

Yeah, he's not and we shouldn't.