TGW wrote:
For one, this doesn't belong here. It belongs in the politics thread. Secondly, I read that glossary of terms or whatever, and it comes off as the LGBTQ is trying to police language, which is problematic.
LOL. The irony of complaining about policing language, by trying to police where how and if a discussion can be held.
I dunno. I'm not taking Gilbert's opinion on political issues as terribly relevant or important. Even in this case he has logical loopholes in what he is saying. A dude overheard him saying a buddy was acting like a f******, and understood it to mean he was saying his buddy was less than a man. Correctly because Gilbert said, yeah well that is exactly how I meant it. He meant to offend the guy by calling him a slur that refers to another group.
Its the same as saying like "oh you're trying to jew me on on the price" or whatever. It is offensive whether you say it to someone, or about someone else. You're not saying it as praise. It's not 'unfair' to be called out about it.
You use the f- word in that context because you know it is offensive. If that pisses people off, don't be surprised when you realize you have offended them. You meant it that way. It's kinda dickish to double down on it and defend your right to offend people. That doesn't require a dictionary or a playbook. Gilbert used the word to degrade his friend, even in a joking manner. A guy said, hey, don't use my existence as a term of insult. And if you do that in a public place, don't be startled if you get called on it. But yeah it's hyperbole to say 'the most unfair people on the planet'. It's not like he is giving a history lesson with a carefully considered response. He was led into a stupid conversation and jumped right in to the stupid with both feet.
The rest is just stirring up a hornet's nest to get page clicks. Both the video in the first place and the article referring to it. But that is the world nowadays: "oooh did you hear what she said?" What they used to call signifying. Stirring up trouble. Oh really, Gilbert said something thoughtless? That's news. When has he ever done that before. Good for him. He says people confronted him about it and made him think and he went to counseling over the issue.
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EDIT : actually the thing I learned most from this was following links to find out that Tim Hardaway did work to promote support for gay marriage in his hometown. I recall him saying he didn't like gay people. To flip that on it's head and reverse course once he realized he messed up is interesting to me.
And the thing about Gilbert is that he no doubt would be willing to have that debate. Whatever he says today he will say something different tomorrow. Twice in the itnerview he says "we are still learning" this stuff. Even in the incident, he had a debate with the guy about it. He didn't just say 'well f-- you too f*****t". Go ahead, tell him where he's wrong. Have the public debate. You could see even halfway through the interview he understood his position was contradictory.
Anyway.