Do Draymond Green and Klay Thompson deserve to be in the Hall of Fame?

[nate33]

Before KD signed with them, Klay was the SECOND option. Draymod was more important but he did not provide much in the way of scoring. Klay was the second option last season as well. I also do not recall stackhouse being an elite three point shooter. Stack was also below average in terms of efficiency while klay in his prime was above average.

Stack also didn't play with the greatest shooter of all time. I was just using an example of a scoring shooting guard and that was the first one that came to mind. If Rip Hamilton played with Steph, could have put up above average efficiency as a second option? Klay famously doesn't really create shots for himself and relied on playmaking from Steph/Draymond.

Um, pretty sure playing with steph isnt what makes klay an elite shooter...Yes, he benefitted playing with steph, but same goes for steph playing with klay as well..

Klay's stats without steph curry in his career:
119 GP
32.9 mpg
20.7ppg
FG% 44.2
3p%: 40.3
https://www.statmuse.com/nba/ask/klay-thompson-stats-without-steph-curry

Klay's stats without steph last season:
20 GP
34.6mpg
26.4ppg
45.2 FG%
42.6% 3p%
https://www.statmuse.com/nba/ask/klay-thompson-stats-without-steph-curry-2023

Klay thompson stats without steph curry career playoffs:
12 GP
37.7 mpg
26.4 ppg
48.5 FG%
45.6 3p%

Seeing as how klay plays pretty well even without steph, I think its safe to say his HOF merit is not based purely on just playing with steph curry.

Nice post. Way to bring some stats to the debate.

That said, the only stats with a meaningful sample size is that first group of regular season stats. And they show exactly what the Klay naysayers are saying: that Klay is very good to be sure, but perhaps not quite HOF material.

I like Klay and I wouldn't be upset if he made the Hall or anything. He is close on merit, and he is certainly better than a handful of guys who did make it. I'm just saying that I think he falls just short of truly "deserving" it, in my purely subjective opinion.

[FluLikeSymptoms]

Steph will be introducing both, I’m sure. A better question may be who gets in first. And then there’s the Iggy question, he’ll be up for nomination before the others.

[clyde21]

So we playing hypotheticals too to prop Curry some more? Steph would be ringless without either one of these guys: Draymond, Klay, KD.

Switch Curry to Dame’s blazers or Lebron’s 03-09 cavs and he’d be a fringe all-star without Kerr’s system and the two names mentioned in the title of this thread. Show some respect to your franchise cornerstones, or continue to be a delusional Stephew. How embarrassing.

Lol, don't compare Dame to Steph, every time your crowd does this they get blown out of the water. Dame's best TS% season would rank as like Steph's 9th best. different stratosphere for player and impact.

and no one has played with more HoFers than LeBron, who were HoFers also without LeBron. good try tho.

LeBron needs more help!™

Point is Steph isn’t getting out of the conf finals with any of Dame blazer teams either.

proof?

[Kawaii Leonard]

Lol, don't compare Dame to Steph, every time your crowd does this they get blown out of the water. Dame's best TS% season would rank as like Steph's 9th best. different stratosphere for player and impact.

and no one has played with more HoFers than LeBron, who were HoFers also without LeBron. good try tho.

LeBron needs more help!™

Point is Steph isn’t getting out of the conf finals with any of Dame blazer teams either.

proof?

Imagine asking proof for this. Yeah let me whip out my time stone real quick.

So we playing hypotheticals too to prop Curry some more?

After your hilarious what-if take on how Klay and Draymond would be ineffective had they not played with Steph.

Even so, CJ McCollum and Nurkic aren’t even in the same stratosphere to the former duo. Regardless of how obvious this is with some little critical thinking, you’re seriously asking for proof on a hypothetical made up situation?

[ShootersShoot]

Stack also didn't play with the greatest shooter of all time. I was just using an example of a scoring shooting guard and that was the first one that came to mind. If Rip Hamilton played with Steph, could have put up above average efficiency as a second option? Klay famously doesn't really create shots for himself and relied on playmaking from Steph/Draymond.

Um, pretty sure playing with steph isnt what makes klay an elite shooter...Yes, he benefitted playing with steph, but same goes for steph playing with klay as well..

Klay's stats without steph curry in his career:
119 GP
32.9 mpg
20.7ppg
FG% 44.2
3p%: 40.3
https://www.statmuse.com/nba/ask/klay-thompson-stats-without-steph-curry

Klay's stats without steph last season:
20 GP
34.6mpg
26.4ppg
45.2 FG%
42.6% 3p%
https://www.statmuse.com/nba/ask/klay-thompson-stats-without-steph-curry-2023

Klay thompson stats without steph curry career playoffs:
12 GP
37.7 mpg
26.4 ppg
48.5 FG%
45.6 3p%

Seeing as how klay plays pretty well even without steph, I think its safe to say his HOF merit is not based purely on just playing with steph curry.

Nice post. Way to bring some stats to the debate.

That said, the only stats with a meaningful sample size is that first group of regular season stats. And they show exactly what the Klay naysayers are saying: that Klay is very good to be sure, but perhaps not quite HOF material.

I like Klay and I wouldn't be upset if he made the Hall or anything. He is close on merit, and he is certainly better than a handful of guys who did make it. I'm just saying that I think he falls just short of truly "deserving" it, in my purely subjective opinion.

TBF a large chunk of those games came in his rookie season where steph hurt his ankle. I think if we remove those 40 some odd games, klay's averages without steph is closer to 24-25ppg

And yea, klay shouldnt be a shoo-in for the HOF. I think playing with steph and the warriors definitely helps his HOF bid. There are tiers to HOFers of course, and klay certainly isnt at the top. I think what puts him in there for me is the elite shooting and unique playstyle. He showed you can put up all star level play as a guard without the need to be a primary or secondary ball handler. His skillset is imo important to future generations and evolution of the game. There will literally be young players trying to emulate what klay thompson has done for generations to come. There's a reason why guys like joe harris and kyle korver arent making the HOF. And even if you swapped those guys with klay on the warriors, they imo still wouldnt be HOF worthy.

[clyde21]

Point is Steph isn’t getting out of the conf finals with any of Dame blazer teams either.

proof?

Imagine asking proof for this. Yeah let me whip out my time stone real quick.

So we playing hypotheticals too to prop Curry some more?

After your hilarious what-if take on how Klay and Draymond would be ineffective had they not played with Steph.

Even so, CJ McCollum and Nurkic aren’t even in the same stratosphere to the former duo. Regardless of how obvious this is with some little critical thinking, you’re seriously asking for proof on a hypothetical made up situation?

you're making the claim that Steph replacing Dame would never have made it outside the WCF...how do you know this? unless you're suggesting Steph is not better than Dame or worse than Dame?

[Kawaii Leonard]

proof?

Imagine asking proof for this. Yeah let me whip out my time stone real quick.

So we playing hypotheticals too to prop Curry some more?

After your hilarious what-if take on how Klay and Draymond would be ineffective had they not played with Steph.

Even so, CJ McCollum and Nurkic aren’t even in the same stratosphere to the former duo. Regardless of how obvious this is with some little critical thinking, you’re seriously asking for proof on a hypothetical made up situation?

you're making the claim that Steph replacing Dame would never have made it outside the WCF...how do you know this? unless you're suggesting Steph is not better than Dame or worse than Dame?

You’d have to be prime Jordan to drag CJ and Meyers Leonard to the Finals. Get real. I am not comparing the two players directly and saying who is better. Rather, how drastically opposite their situations are based on who they stayed loyal to.

[CS707]

Steph stans really are built different. Anything, including discrediting your own franchise corner pieces, to prop your golden boy up. Ludicrous behaviour. How far can you stoop Warrior”GM”?

LeBron stans have made a career out of this practice

This isn’t a dick swinging contest and do you notice no one even mentioned LeBron? It’s a thread about Klay, Draymond and the Warriors. Again goes to show you, anything to prop him up.

Rent free.

It wasn't explicitly about Steph either.

Rent free indeed.

[cam24thomas]

Klay/Curry would be completely ringless, without Draymond Green.
Whereas you can replace Klay with another all-star shooter, and they still would win a bunch of rings.
Its all about Draymond Green = the definition of a winner and a lock for the Hall of Fame.
Without Draymond Green, GS are not even a championship contender.
The day GS trade Draymond Green, is the day they give-up on contending for championships.

[clyde21]

Imagine asking proof for this. Yeah let me whip out my time stone real quick.



After your hilarious what-if take on how Klay and Draymond would be ineffective had they not played with Steph.

Even so, CJ McCollum and Nurkic aren’t even in the same stratosphere to the former duo. Regardless of how obvious this is with some little critical thinking, you’re seriously asking for proof on a hypothetical made up situation?

you're making the claim that Steph replacing Dame would never have made it outside the WCF...how do you know this? unless you're suggesting Steph is not better than Dame or worse than Dame?

You’d have to be prime Jordan to drag CJ and Meyers Leonard to the Finals. Get real. Try to use some of your brain. I am not comparing the two players directly and saying who is better. Rather, how drastically opposite their situations are based on who they stayed loyal to.

so what's your point? The Steph is not 'prime Jordan'? cool story?

[Kawaii Leonard]

you're making the claim that Steph replacing Dame would never have made it outside the WCF...how do you know this? unless you're suggesting Steph is not better than Dame or worse than Dame?

You’d have to be prime Jordan to drag CJ and Meyers Leonard to the Finals. Get real. Try to use some of your brain. I am not comparing the two players directly and saying who is better. Rather, how drastically opposite their situations are based on who they stayed loyal to.

so what's your point? The Steph is not 'prime Jordan'? cool story?

You literally asked what would it would take to get those blazer teams to the finals? And yeah Curry isn’t Jordan, hard to fathom right? You might be the most special poster on this board. It’s okay. Hope you can piece it together one day.

[Kawaii Leonard]

LeBron stans have made a career out of this practice

This isn’t a dick swinging contest and do you notice no one even mentioned LeBron? It’s a thread about Klay, Draymond and the Warriors. Again goes to show you, anything to prop him up.

Rent free.

It wasn't explicitly about Steph either.

Rent free indeed.

Is Steph Curry not on the Warriors and a career long teammate of the two mentioned?

The OP is the biggest known Steph stan on this board.

Keep up.

[CS707]

This isn’t a dick swinging contest and do you notice no one even mentioned LeBron? It’s a thread about Klay, Draymond and the Warriors. Again goes to show you, anything to prop him up.

Rent free.

It wasn't explicitly about Steph either.

Rent free indeed.

Is Steph Curry not on the Warriors and a career long teammate of the two mentioned?

The OP is the biggest known Steph stan on this board.

Keep up.

Ok, so we're reading between the lines then.

In that case, Clyde was spot on. Your post was as transparent as any assumed intent of the OP.

[Kawaii Leonard]

It wasn't explicitly about Steph either.

Rent free indeed.

Is Steph Curry not on the Warriors and a career long teammate of the two mentioned?

The OP is the biggest known Steph stan on this board.

Keep up.

Ok, so we're reading between the lines then.

In that case, Clyde was spot on. Your post was as transparent as any assumed intent of the OP.

Which is? Calling out an obvious agenda by discrediting teammates to prop your favourite basketball player?

Something that I don’t do as an objective fan of a player or franchise? Thanks for noticing I guess? You seem very lost on what Clyde and I are even arguing about.

[CS707]

Is Steph Curry not on the Warriors and a career long teammate of the two mentioned?

The OP is the biggest known Steph stan on this board.

Keep up.

Ok, so we're reading between the lines then.

In that case, Clyde was spot on. Your post was as transparent as any assumed intent of the OP.

Which is? Calling out an obvious agenda by discrediting teammates to prop your favourite basketball player?

Something that I don’t do as an objective fan of a player or franchise? Thanks for noticing I guess? You seem very lost on what Clyde and I are even arguing about.

Yes, obvious agendas. That is what we're talking about.

[Kawaii Leonard]

Ok, so we're reading between the lines then.

In that case, Clyde was spot on. Your post was as transparent as any assumed intent of the OP.

Which is? Calling out an obvious agenda by discrediting teammates to prop your favourite basketball player?

Something that I don’t do as an objective fan of a player or franchise? Thanks for noticing I guess? You seem very lost on what Clyde and I are even arguing about.

Yes, obvious agendas. That is what we're talking about.

I have none here. Mentioning Steph Curry in a thread pertaining to Klay Thompson and Draymond Green is having an agenda and having him rent-free in my head, as opposed to the guy that randomly brings about Lebron?

Pointing out that a poster known to have delusional levels of stanning Steph, making a thread to question the pedigree of his teammates to obviously prop him up is having an agenda?

Nice one.

[CS707]

Which is? Calling out an obvious agenda by discrediting teammates to prop your favourite basketball player?

Something that I don’t do as an objective fan of a player or franchise? Thanks for noticing I guess? You seem very lost on what Clyde and I are even arguing about.

Yes, obvious agendas. That is what we're talking about.

I have none here. Mentioning Steph Curry in a thread pertaining to Klay Thompson and Draymond Green is having an agenda and having him rent-free in my head, as opposed to the guy that randomly brings about Lebron?

Pointing out that a poster known to have delusional levels of stanning Steph, making a thread to question the pedigree of his teammates to obvious prop him up is having an agenda?

Nice one.

OP didn't bring up Steph, you did.

Why? Because of your own obvious agenda when it comes to anything Steph related, which is why Clyde replied the way he did.

OP mentions Klay and Dray and you go straight to Steph and his fans. That's the definition of rent free.

[Kawaii Leonard]

Yes, obvious agendas. That is what we're talking about.

I have none here. Mentioning Steph Curry in a thread pertaining to Klay Thompson and Draymond Green is having an agenda and having him rent-free in my head, as opposed to the guy that randomly brings about Lebron?

Pointing out that a poster known to have delusional levels of stanning Steph, making a thread to question the pedigree of his teammates to obvious prop him up is having an agenda?

Nice one.

OP didn't bring up Steph, you did.

Why? Because of your own obvious agenda when it comes to anything Steph related, which is why Clyde replied the way he did.

OP mentions Klay and Dray and you go straight to Steph and his fans. That's the definition of rent free.

I guess some things obvious and very apparent aren’t for others. Think how you will of my original post, which directly calls out the OP by name and from his history of this behaviour (see sig). Quite admirable of you to help out another very lost Steph stan. Both WarriorGM and Clyde. Or I guess your feelings just got hurt. For the record, I enjoy watching Curry play the game of basketball. It’s the deranged fanboying I can’t fathom, when it reaches absolute illogical and atrocious levels. Doesn’t take a genius to know this thread is another by-product of that.

[bmurph128]

Klay yes - where does he rank all time as a shooter? Pretty damn high. He'd still be an elite shooter without Steph.

Draymond.....hell no. But part of that for me is how he treats the refs and the ridiculous overreactions he's had

[The4thHorseman]

It wasn't explicitly about Steph either.

Rent free indeed.

Is Steph Curry not on the Warriors and a career long teammate of the two mentioned?

The OP is the biggest known Steph stan on this board.

Keep up.

Ok, so we're reading between the lines then.

In that case, Clyde was spot on. Your post was as transparent as any assumed intent of the OP.