Bucks News, Transactions and Trade Ideas - Beasley on a 1 Year Deal

[tedbrogen]

What amuses me is how many of you have been beating the "we need to get younger" drum for quite some time. Now, when discussing two similar players, some of you are saying "I want the old guy that costs 20 million more over the next 3 years over the young player that is still improving and had to continue to work his way back on a completely new team after missing a full year because of injury."

Also, add to that the personality of both players, one has gang ties that they openly flaunt, the other is a gym rat that would seem to be a great fit for the Bucks culture.


I really like the idea of adding Sexton, but adding a FRP would also be the line I would not cross. At that point I would try to make a trade of Grayson and cash to the Wizards for Delon Wright. All the pieces that could be movable now will still be movable at the deadline. The Bucks would also have a much clearer idea of the development of some of their young players.

Again want to clearly state that I am not advocating for Rozier. I just think he is a better pure shooter than Sexton, while Sexton is a far better pure scorer. The gang stuff is definitely not ideal.

In a vacuum, all things being equal, Sexton is preferred. But we're dealing with Ainge, so you know he is pushing like hell for a 1st to *win* the trade. Rozier you probably just need to match salary and that's it.

Yep. The Hornets seem to want off Rozier’s contract now that Ball will be getting max money starting next season. So Allen’s expiring and Bobby being a big has to be appealing to them. And Bobby is very moveable if they don’t like his fit or want to pay him going forward.

[bucksfansince88]

What amuses me is how many of you have been beating the "we need to get younger" drum for quite some time. Now, when discussing two similar players, some of you are saying "I want the old guy that costs 20 million more over the next 3 years over the young player that is still improving and had to continue to work his way back on a completely new team after missing a full year because of injury."

Also, add to that the personality of both players, one has gang ties that they openly flaunt, the other is a gym rat that would seem to be a great fit for the Bucks culture.


I really like the idea of adding Sexton, but adding a FRP would also be the line I would not cross. At that point I would try to make a trade of Grayson and cash to the Wizards for Delon Wright. All the pieces that could be movable now will still be movable at the deadline. The Bucks would also have a much clearer idea of the development of some of their young players.

Rozier has gang ties?

Chief Blood lol

[Shaffty]

Any news on Crowder contract? Was it the minimum or something more?

since he can be signed with bird rights, I am assuming they will wait to give him whatever they have left after all moves are complete that will keep us under the 2nd apron.

Right now all we could give him is Vet min and I am going to assume it took a sprinkle more then vet min to get him to stay and not go to the heat lol

[bucksfansince88]

if we take the rozier route, I want PJ washington too

[Ron Swanson]

I'm fine and would even advocate for shuffling the 5-8 spots in the rotation but just blowing more future 1st's on the first young-ish shot-creating guard who is available and might blossom into a much better player here just isn't smart asset management IMO. Again, I'll reiterate my mantra that being young itself isn't a positive or negative basketball trait. We already "got younger" this offseason regardless of what other moves we do (8 of 15 roster spots aged-30 and under).

I would like to see the weighted average by projected minutes by age/roster spot. Basically everyone is a year older than their roster spot in last years playoff rotation. The only way we got younger is we replace Joe's 89 minutes with Marjon (debatable), or Jevon's 45 minutes with someone younger than 27.

Like I agree overall that why care about age when our window is 2 years, but saying we got 'younger' has no practical reasoning.

Semantics. The roster as a whole literally got younger. Now, if we wanna talk about how many of the younger guys are actually gonna be playoff contributors Year 1, then sure, I'm not gonna argue that we did unless Beasley and Jackson Jr. transform into Top-8 rotation dudes (not crazy but unlikely).

But this is just the reality. There's no "getting younger while still contending" in the NBA. The best you can do while lacking draft capital is basically exactly what we did. Retain your aging but still good core players while getting younger on the margins utilizing minimal assets. Trading more future firsts for non-Jrue level players isn't that.

[tedbrogen]

That matched salary would probably be Bobby though. Which, is more to give up than a 6 year out first in value (ignoring the hoarding and restrictions issues on the 1st)

Not everyone agrees with Bobby > 2029 1st. If a superstar is available via trade that team would likely value the first more than Bobby (I know Portland would for Dame)

Could you trade Bobby for a 2029 first right now? I’m not certain you could to most teams.

Plus, I view Bobby as a regular season player who gets played off the floor or disappears in the postseason more often than not. While that 2029 first should only be used for someone who can contribute in the postseason.

[crowhead76]

What amuses me is how many of you have been beating the "we need to get younger" drum for quite some time. Now, when discussing two similar players, some of you are saying "I want the old guy that costs 20 million more over the next 3 years over the young player that is still improving and had to continue to work his way back on a completely new team after missing a full year because of injury."

Also, add to that the personality of both players, one has gang ties that they openly flaunt, the other is a gym rat that would seem to be a great fit for the Bucks culture.


I really like the idea of adding Sexton, but adding a FRP would also be the line I would not cross. At that point I would try to make a trade of Grayson and cash to the Wizards for Delon Wright. All the pieces that could be movable now will still be movable at the deadline. The Bucks would also have a much clearer idea of the development of some of their young players.

Again want to clearly state that I am not advocating for Rozier. I just think he is a better pure shooter than Sexton, while Sexton is a far better pure scorer. The gang stuff is definitely not ideal.

In a vacuum, all things being equal, Sexton is preferred. But we're dealing with Ainge, so you know he is pushing like hell for a 1st to *win* the trade. Rozier you probably just need to match salary and that's it.

Rozier also puts the Bucks well above the second apron, which means one of Bobby, Pat, or Grayson (whoever would not be included in a trade for him) would eventually need to be moved to clear cap space, in which case the trading team typically gets pennies on the dollar.

[crowhead76]

if we take the rozier route, I want PJ washington too

PJ Washington is not even a possibility, he would require a sign and trade and the Bucks can't do accommodate that.

[Daver]

What amuses me is how many of you have been beating the "we need to get younger" drum for quite some time. Now, when discussing two similar players, some of you are saying "I want the old guy that costs 20 million more over the next 3 years over the young player that is still improving and had to continue to work his way back on a completely new team after missing a full year because of injury."

Also, add to that the personality of both players, one has gang ties that they openly flaunt, the other is a gym rat that would seem to be a great fit for the Bucks culture.


I really like the idea of adding Sexton, but adding a FRP would also be the line I would not cross. At that point I would try to make a trade of Grayson and cash to the Wizards for Delon Wright. All the pieces that could be movable now will still be movable at the deadline. The Bucks would also have a much clearer idea of the development of some of their young players.

Again want to clearly state that I am not advocating for Rozier. I just think he is a better pure shooter than Sexton, while Sexton is a far better pure scorer. The gang stuff is definitely not ideal.

In a vacuum, all things being equal, Sexton is preferred. But we're dealing with Ainge, so you know he is pushing like hell for a 1st to *win* the trade. Rozier you probably just need to match salary and that's it.

Rozier also puts the Bucks well above the second apron, which means one of Bobby, Pat, or Grayson (whoever would not be included in a trade for him) would eventually need to be moved to clear cap space, in which case the trading team typically gets pennies on the dollar.

I dont know so i ask doesnt bobby n allen or pat combined nake as much as rozier how much is rozier making

[RiotPunch]

What amuses me is how many of you have been beating the "we need to get younger" drum for quite some time. Now, when discussing two similar players, some of you are saying "I want the old guy that costs 20 million more over the next 3 years over the young player that is still improving and had to continue to work his way back on a completely new team after missing a full year because of injury."

Also, add to that the personality of both players, one has gang ties that they openly flaunt, the other is a gym rat that would seem to be a great fit for the Bucks culture.


I really like the idea of adding Sexton, but adding a FRP would also be the line I would not cross. At that point I would try to make a trade of Grayson and cash to the Wizards for Delon Wright. All the pieces that could be movable now will still be movable at the deadline. The Bucks would also have a much clearer idea of the development of some of their young players.

Again want to clearly state that I am not advocating for Rozier. I just think he is a better pure shooter than Sexton, while Sexton is a far better pure scorer. The gang stuff is definitely not ideal.

In a vacuum, all things being equal, Sexton is preferred. But we're dealing with Ainge, so you know he is pushing like hell for a 1st to *win* the trade. Rozier you probably just need to match salary and that's it.

Rozier also puts the Bucks well above the second apron, which means one of Bobby, Pat, or Grayson (whoever would not be included in a trade for him) would eventually need to be moved to clear cap space, in which case the trading team typically gets pennies on the dollar.

Yeah, that is a very fair point. We have until the end of the fiscal year to duck the 2nd apron though, if I'm not mistaken. Would really force our hand to make a deadline deal or ASAP after season's end.

[tedbrogen]

What amuses me is how many of you have been beating the "we need to get younger" drum for quite some time. Now, when discussing two similar players, some of you are saying "I want the old guy that costs 20 million more over the next 3 years over the young player that is still improving and had to continue to work his way back on a completely new team after missing a full year because of injury."

Also, add to that the personality of both players, one has gang ties that they openly flaunt, the other is a gym rat that would seem to be a great fit for the Bucks culture.


I really like the idea of adding Sexton, but adding a FRP would also be the line I would not cross. At that point I would try to make a trade of Grayson and cash to the Wizards for Delon Wright. All the pieces that could be movable now will still be movable at the deadline. The Bucks would also have a much clearer idea of the development of some of their young players.

Again want to clearly state that I am not advocating for Rozier. I just think he is a better pure shooter than Sexton, while Sexton is a far better pure scorer. The gang stuff is definitely not ideal.

In a vacuum, all things being equal, Sexton is preferred. But we're dealing with Ainge, so you know he is pushing like hell for a 1st to *win* the trade. Rozier you probably just need to match salary and that's it.

Rozier also puts the Bucks well above the second apron, which means one of Bobby, Pat, or Grayson (whoever would not be included in a trade for him) would eventually need to be moved to clear cap space, in which case the trading team typically gets pennies on the dollar.

Not necessarily. Rozier only adds an extra ~$2.5M. So structure Brooks and Midds contracts with lower first year salaries to make that up. They might already have done so to build in a buffer as we don’t have specific numbers on the years amounts.

[DingleJerry]

That matched salary would probably be Bobby though. Which, is more to give up than a 6 year out first in value (ignoring the hoarding and restrictions issues on the 1st)

Not everyone agrees with Bobby > 2029 1st. If a superstar is available via trade that team would likely value the first more than Bobby (I know Portland would for Dame)

Could you trade Bobby for a 2029 first right now? I’m not certain you could to most teams.

Plus, I view Bobby as a regular season player who gets played off the floor or disappears in the postseason more often than not. While that 2029 first should only be used for someone who can contribute in the postseason.

Fair. But I know which one is more valuable trying to win a title in the next 3-4 years.

[emunney]

Unless we have enough room beneath it to use a significant portion of the TPMLE, going over the 2nd apron this year doesn't really matter. It means we can't sign buyout guys who were bought out of a contract bigger than 12m and we can't take back more than 110% in a trade.

[RiotPunch]

Unless we have enough room beneath it to use a significant portion of the TPMLE, going over the 2nd apron this year doesn't really matter. It means we can't sign buyout guys who were bought out of a contract bigger than 12m and we can't take back more than 110% in a trade.

It does also have future pick trading implications, has it been made clearer when that lovely addition comes into effect?

[Prez]

That matched salary would probably be Bobby though. Which, is more to give up than a 6 year out first in value (ignoring the hoarding and restrictions issues on the 1st)

Not everyone agrees with Bobby > 2029 1st. If a superstar is available via trade that team would likely value the first more than Bobby (I know Portland would for Dame)

Could you trade Bobby for a 2029 first right now? I’m not certain you could to most teams.

Plus, I view Bobby as a regular season player who gets played off the floor or disappears in the postseason more often than not. While that 2029 first should only be used for someone who can contribute in the postseason.

Fair. But I know which one is more valuable trying to win a title in the next 3-4 years.

I guess I don’t understand why we’re ignoring the trade restrictions with the picks? If we’re talking next 3-4 years, I’d rather have the 1st as trade ammunition than Bobby, as it opens the door for a 3 firsts + multiple swaps trade package next summer.

[tedbrogen]

Not everyone agrees with Bobby > 2029 1st. If a superstar is available via trade that team would likely value the first more than Bobby (I know Portland would for Dame)

Could you trade Bobby for a 2029 first right now? I’m not certain you could to most teams.

Plus, I view Bobby as a regular season player who gets played off the floor or disappears in the postseason more often than not. While that 2029 first should only be used for someone who can contribute in the postseason.

Fair. But I know which one is more valuable trying to win a title in the next 3-4 years.

I guess I don’t understand why we’re ignoring the trade restrictions with the picks? If we’re talking next 3-4 years, I’d rather have the 1st as trade ammunition than Bobby, as it opens the door for a 3 firsts + multiple swaps trade package next summer.

Yep. It is being described as having Bobby now or having Sexton now versus making a pick in 2029 when keeping that draft powder would allow them to have three firsts, two swaps, and tons of expiring salary (in the form of useful players) to trade in June of 2024. I view that flexibility as more likely to help a prime 29 year old Giannis than Sexton or Bobby.

[fansinceforever]

I wish I was as confident as some of you in Giannis's committment to this team provided we have another early exit with largely the same rotation.

[Dick Tate]

Is Bobby trade likely?
aka:
IBTL

[emunney]

Unless we have enough room beneath it to use a significant portion of the TPMLE, going over the 2nd apron this year doesn't really matter. It means we can't sign buyout guys who were bought out of a contract bigger than 12m and we can't take back more than 110% in a trade.

It does also have future pick trading implications, has it been made clearer when that lovely addition comes into effect?

Yep, not until the 24-25 league year.

[tedbrogen]

I wish I was as confident as some of you in Giannis's committment to this team provided we have another early exit with largely the same rotation.

He re-upped after the exit in the bubble because they traded a bunch of firsts for Jrue. So trade three first and two swaps in June next year for someone he wants to play with if they flame out and he’ll sign the extension.

They just let him pick the new coach.