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Post#341 » by jake_swivel » Wed Jul 5, 2023 8:46 pm

slick_watts wrote:i'm still not convinced we will keep micic through the offseason.


Which is fine if he can be moved for a big or a bigger 3/4 and a backup big.

Dort is clearly the booger in the pudding, fit-wise. I’d like to get value for him before someone takes his spot and he’s even less of an asset than he is now.
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Post#342 » by Kizz Fastfists » Wed Jul 5, 2023 8:57 pm

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slick_watts wrote:i'm still not convinced we will keep micic through the offseason.


Which is fine if he can be moved for a big or a bigger 3/4 and a backup big.

Dort is clearly the booger in the pudding, fit-wise. I’d like to get value for him before someone takes his spot and he’s even less of an asset than he is now.


When did Dort ever have value? He's more worthless, and overpaid, than Kanter was.
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Post#343 » by slick_watts » Wed Jul 5, 2023 9:02 pm

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slick_watts wrote:i'm still not convinced we will keep micic through the offseason.


Which is fine if he can be moved for a big or a bigger 3/4 and a backup big.

Dort is clearly the booger in the pudding, fit-wise. I’d like to get value for him before someone takes his spot and he’s even less of an asset than he is now.


When did Dort ever have value? He's more worthless, and overpaid, than Kanter was.


no one could accuse me of being a fan of lu dort but i vehemently disagree with this.
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Post#344 » by jake_swivel » Wed Jul 5, 2023 9:07 pm

Say what you want about Dort (I have), but he’s a well regarded defender with a passable 3 point percentage on a now affordable contract compared to what has been handed out this offseason and what will be in the future. By all accounts, he’s professional and hard working.
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Post#345 » by jake_swivel » Wed Jul 5, 2023 9:12 pm

Dort and Poku for Patrick Williams from the bulls. Something like this. A mid level 3/4 who can guard PFs and a mediocre backup big who can hit a jumper and defend at an acceptable level. Balance me, Sam. Balance me.
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Post#346 » by Dadouv47 » Wed Jul 5, 2023 10:04 pm

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slick_watts wrote:i'm still not convinced we will keep micic through the offseason.


Which is fine if he can be moved for a big or a bigger 3/4 and a backup big.

Dort is clearly the booger in the pudding, fit-wise. I’d like to get value for him before someone takes his spot and he’s even less of an asset than he is now.


When did Dort ever have value? He's more worthless, and overpaid, than Kanter was.


Kanter was winning a bit more money than Dort currently is so a way bigger amount of our cap space. Kanter contract was a disaster to us. Matching that Blazers RFA offer was a big mistake from Presti (he had no many good options at that time though)

Dort has many flaws but you can play and even start him in a playoff game (he was pretty good in the play in games, same in the playoffs in 2020) while u have to bench Kanter in a playoff game if u are against average big mens.

I still want to trade Dort though. The fit is terrible in OKC. He would be great next to Trae in Atlanta.
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Post#347 » by Dadouv47 » Wed Jul 5, 2023 10:05 pm

Don't want Bol Bol. We have at least 10 "meh" players in our 20 players roster and a ton of guys to develop. I'm just adding very talented young guys or proven vets.
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Post#348 » by jake_swivel » Wed Jul 5, 2023 10:06 pm

Dadouv47 wrote:I still want to trade Dort though. The fit is terrible in OKC. He would be great next to Trae in Atlanta.


Wiretap sayin’ ole PJ just wants 18 million measly dollars….
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Post#350 » by Kizz Fastfists » Wed Jul 5, 2023 10:21 pm

Dadouv47 wrote:https://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/272380/PJ-Washington-Seeking-RFA-Contract-Above-MLE

find some $$$ and work on a S &T Presti



All the $$ went to Dipo and Bertans. Better luck next year when Washington is a UFA.
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Post#351 » by mr570 » Wed Jul 5, 2023 11:22 pm

How do you guys think Chet looks offensively so far? Maybe it's because of the guys he's playing with but he doesn't look the same as last year so far.
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Post#352 » by Patches Perry » Wed Jul 5, 2023 11:31 pm

mr570 wrote:How do you guys think Chet looks offensively so far? Maybe it's because of the guys he's playing with but he doesn't look the same as last year so far.


He looks out of sync, which is understandable given that last year he was coming off playing a full year of college basketball, and this year he hasn't played at all. Just a totally different rhythm.

That said, I thought he looked less impressive on the outside shooting, but more impressive on his handles and his drive-and-finish ability. We are only working off very small sample sizes though. My conclusion every time I watch him is that I can't imagine he won't be a very good player if he can stay healthy. That's a large sized if though.
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Post#353 » by jake_swivel » Wed Jul 5, 2023 11:34 pm

mr570 wrote:How do you guys think Chet looks offensively so far? Maybe it's because of the guys he's playing with but he doesn't look the same as last year so far.


I don’t think he’s ready to be a creator but that’s a role he’s been in more often than he should be in the regular season. He looks fine when he’s catching and shooting or pump faking and driving. Hopefully this is summer league experimenting and not what his role will be. He’ll look better being the third or fourth option with a point guard who will get him easy looks/lobs.

His main utility to the team is wreaking havoc on defense and rebounding while being a functional option on offense spreading the floor.
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Post#354 » by Patches Perry » Wed Jul 5, 2023 11:36 pm

Patches Perry wrote:Any interest in Grant Williams? He plays a lot of PF (despite being a little undersized, he is similar size to Draymond), is a pretty good defender from my recollection, and shoots the three well. He is a free agent. I wouldn't want to pay a whole bunch for him but seems like he might be a good fit. Only 24yo.


Ugh, Grant Williams signs a 4 year deal worth 53 million (roughly 13m/year) with Dallas and it only took Reggie Bullock and an unprotected pick swap to get him. Grant Williams is only 24yo and would strengthen our frontcourt while keeping a shooter on the court. He is very good defensively and kind of a "dog" which we need.
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Post#355 » by mr570 » Wed Jul 5, 2023 11:36 pm

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mr570 wrote:How do you guys think Chet looks offensively so far? Maybe it's because of the guys he's playing with but he doesn't look the same as last year so far.


I don’t think he’s ready to be a creator but that’s a role he’s been in more often than he should be in the regular season. He looks fine when he’s catching and shooting or pump faking and driving. Hopefully this is summer league experimenting and not what his role will be. He’ll look better being the third or fourth option with a point guard who will get him easy looks/lobs.

His main utility to the team is wreaking havoc on defense and rebounding while being a functional option on offense spreading the floor.

He was taking behind the back dribble pullups out of a dead sprint last year and this year just nothing like that. Kinda wild.
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Post#356 » by jake_swivel » Wed Jul 5, 2023 11:44 pm

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mr570 wrote:How do you guys think Chet looks offensively so far? Maybe it's because of the guys he's playing with but he doesn't look the same as last year so far.


I don’t think he’s ready to be a creator but that’s a role he’s been in more often than he should be in the regular season. He looks fine when he’s catching and shooting or pump faking and driving. Hopefully this is summer league experimenting and not what his role will be. He’ll look better being the third or fourth option with a point guard who will get him easy looks/lobs.

His main utility to the team is wreaking havoc on defense and rebounding while being a functional option on offense spreading the floor.

He was taking behind the back dribble pullups out of a dead sprint last year and this year just nothing like that. Kinda wild.


The crossover, spin move, pump fake, up and under the first game was pretty sweet.

His handle is still too loose and he’s a little clumsy.

He can be very successful without trying to be a point center. I doubt this will be what his role looks like when there are a ton of established ball handlers on the floor with him.
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Post#357 » by Kizz Fastfists » Thu Jul 6, 2023 1:50 am

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Kizz Fastfists wrote:Would he have had an impact in the Minny game that ended OKC's season? Who was playing defense on Gobert and KAT? Who was challenging them on the glass? Do Gobert and KAT both drop 20 and 10 with a competent big man on the court for OKC?


we can and should do better than bol bol. we have enough borderline guys on this team as-is. bol bol is rated okay on defense but offensively he'd be another dude who can't shoot and i don't think we want any of those. i'd prefer mo bamba for this reason- he's been a high-ish volume 3pt shooter before, which can keep him on the court offensively.

w/r/t the wolves game... are you being serious? obviously chet holmgren is that big man. if the thunder ever need another big body to put with him for matchup purposes, i'd want something different than bol bol.


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Post#358 » by ThunderBolt » Thu Jul 6, 2023 1:53 am

Patches Perry wrote:
Patches Perry wrote:Any interest in Grant Williams? He plays a lot of PF (despite being a little undersized, he is similar size to Draymond), is a pretty good defender from my recollection, and shoots the three well. He is a free agent. I wouldn't want to pay a whole bunch for him but seems like he might be a good fit. Only 24yo.


Ugh, Grant Williams signs a 4 year deal worth 53 million (roughly 13m/year) with Dallas and it only took Reggie Bullock and an unprotected pick swap to get him. Grant Williams is only 24yo and would strengthen our frontcourt while keeping a shooter on the court. He is very good defensively and kind of a "dog" which we need.


Grant seemed like he’d have been a good locker room guy. Bummer.
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Post#359 » by slick_watts » Thu Jul 6, 2023 2:15 am

mr570 wrote:
jake_swivel wrote:
mr570 wrote:How do you guys think Chet looks offensively so far? Maybe it's because of the guys he's playing with but he doesn't look the same as last year so far.


I don’t think he’s ready to be a creator but that’s a role he’s been in more often than he should be in the regular season. He looks fine when he’s catching and shooting or pump faking and driving. Hopefully this is summer league experimenting and not what his role will be. He’ll look better being the third or fourth option with a point guard who will get him easy looks/lobs.

His main utility to the team is wreaking havoc on defense and rebounding while being a functional option on offense spreading the floor.

He was taking behind the back dribble pullups out of a dead sprint last year and this year just nothing like that. Kinda wild.


he has not played in a year.
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Post#360 » by mr570 » Thu Jul 6, 2023 2:36 pm

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mr570 wrote:
jake_swivel wrote:
I don’t think he’s ready to be a creator but that’s a role he’s been in more often than he should be in the regular season. He looks fine when he’s catching and shooting or pump faking and driving. Hopefully this is summer league experimenting and not what his role will be. He’ll look better being the third or fourth option with a point guard who will get him easy looks/lobs.

His main utility to the team is wreaking havoc on defense and rebounding while being a functional option on offense spreading the floor.

He was taking behind the back dribble pullups out of a dead sprint last year and this year just nothing like that. Kinda wild.


he has not played in a year.

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