Trade/Free Agency Thread, part Ocho, 2023-24

Andrew McCeltic · Post #281 » by **Andrew McCeltic** » Thu Jul 6, 2023 3:59 am

hugepatsfan wrote:The 2nd apron is $182.5M. We are currently at $177.5M ($5M below) for 13 players.

White / Brogdon / Banton
Brown / Pritchard
Tatum / Hauser
Porzingis / Brissett / Champagnie
RWilliams / Horford / Kornet

My guess is Forsberg isnt counting Champagnie since he’s not guaranteed. So that gets you to $7M.

But we have to fill in the roster so waiving him to save $2M will be cancelled when you fill the spot.

That was it, thanks

robdog_5 · Post #282 » by **robdog_5** » Thu Jul 6, 2023 4:01 am

I'd rather not trade Brogdon for a downgrade just to get another mostly bad player in this market. Maybe we can get Oubre to come to a title contender for cheap prove it deal. Holy crap nevermind how is Oubre gonna do that coming off a year he averaged 20.

hugepatsfan · Post #283 » by **hugepatsfan** » Thu Jul 6, 2023 4:02 am

Something like Brogdon for Sexton or Brogdon for Norm Powell would give us the wiggle room to use the MLE or the TPE.

But I guess my question is who are we getting with the MLE or TPE that would be worth the downgrade from Brogdon to those players. Free agency is totally picked over for MLE guys. Teams don’t usually trade someone making under $7M if he’s any good so not sure how useful the TPE is.

Especially since Brogdon’s injury issues mean we won’t even get compensated draft pick wise for the downgrade. Juice just isn’t worth the squeeze from what I see.

Fierce1 · Post #284 » by **Fierce1** » Thu Jul 6, 2023 4:03 am

robdog_5 wrote:I'd rather not trade Brogdon for a downgrade just to get another mostly bad player in this market. Maybe we can get Oubre to come to a title contender for cheap prove it deal.

True.

Downgrade so that you can add a player NOT better than Brogs is bad basketball decision.

robdog_5 · Post #285 » by **robdog_5** » Thu Jul 6, 2023 4:03 am

hugepatsfan wrote:Something like Brogdon for Sexton or Brogdon for Norm Powell would give us the wiggle room to use the MLE or the TPE.

But I guess my question is who are we getting with the MLE or TPE that would be worth the downgrade from Brogdon to those players. Free agency is totally picked over for MLE guys. Teams don’t usually trade someone making under $7M if he’s any good so not sure how useful the TPE is.

Especially since Brogdon’s injury issues mean we won’t even get compensated draft pick wise for the downgrade. Juice just isn’t worth the squeeze from what I see.

Agree with that. Sexton could be ok. But he's got a longer deal. He may actually come with a second.

Andrew McCeltic · Post #286 » by **Andrew McCeltic** » Thu Jul 6, 2023 4:05 am

Brogdon to TOR
Gary Trent Jr., Pritchard, multiple 2nds to IND
Buddy Hield, Isaiah Jackson to BOS

We save 4.5M, sit at 171M for 12 players. taxMLE to Dosunmu, 176M for 13. Can bring in an athletic big- Bazley or Derrick Jones Jr. - or run it back with Blake. Last roster spot could be one of Javonte Green, Garrett Temple, Terence Davis..

White/Dosunmu/Banton
Jaylen/Hield/Javonte
Tatum/Hauser(/Javonte/Brissett)
KP/Brissett/Bazley
Rob/Al/Jackson/Luke

ajones9219 · Post #287 » by **ajones9219** » Thu Jul 6, 2023 4:05 am

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hugepatsfan · Post #288 » by **hugepatsfan** » Thu Jul 6, 2023 4:05 am

If the options for the MLE were more appealing I could see the logic in trading Brogs for a lesser bit cheaper player to open that up. It’s plausible that maybe there could have been some combos where Brogdon and a vet min signing wasn’t as good as a MLE signing and player you acquired for Brogdon. Even if Brogdon was the best player overall. But even if that scenario ever did exist, I don’t see it now.

zoyathedestroya · Post #289 » by **zoyathedestroya** » Thu Jul 6, 2023 4:06 am

Remember we can't even add anyone good that's gonna get bought out middle of season cos of the new apron rules.

Fierce1 · Post #290 » by **Fierce1** » Thu Jul 6, 2023 4:06 am

Brogdon's injury history is about his leg.

The injury Brogs has now is his arm.

He played 67 games last season.

So the injury prone thing is overblown.

bigfoot_cryptozoology · Post #291 » by **bigfoot_cryptozoology** » Thu Jul 6, 2023 4:06 am

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robdog_5 · Post #292 » by **robdog_5** » Thu Jul 6, 2023 4:07 am

ajones9219 wrote:

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The next part of her quote was but Dame doesn't want to go. So unless you think Brad is willing to gamble on that.

Curmudgeon · Post #293 » by **Curmudgeon** » Thu Jul 6, 2023 4:09 am

Once again, this offseason has been a disaster so far for the Celtics. When Brown gets the supermax, the disaster will be complete. At least they have some draft picks to rebuild after the extent of the damage becomes evident.

robdog_5 · Post #294 » by **robdog_5** » Thu Jul 6, 2023 4:09 am

hugepatsfan wrote:If the options for the MLE were more appealing I could see the logic in trading Brogs for a lesser bit cheaper player to open that up. It’s plausible that maybe there could have been some combos where Brogdon and a vet min signing wasn’t as good as a MLE signing and player you acquired for Brogdon. Even if Brogdon was the best player overall. But even if that scenario ever did exist, I don’t see it now.

Wings Will Barton, Danny Green, Stanley Johnson, Romeo Langford, Wesley Matthews, Terrence Ross, T.J. Warren, Lindy Waters III, Justise Winslow, Oubre

Gs: Terence Davis, Hamidou Diallo, Goran Dragic, R.J. Hampton, George Hill, Aaron Holiday, Mike James, Svi Mykhailiuk, Raul Neto, Daishen Nix, Frank Ntilikina, Kendrick Nunn, Austin Rivers, Ish Smith, Edmond Sumner

bigs: Darius Bazley, Bismack Biyombo, JaMychal Green, Blake Griffin, Montrezl Harrell, Willy Hernangomez, Derrick Jones Jr., Juan Toscano-Anderson

Pretty barren.

hugepatsfan · Post #295 » by **hugepatsfan** » Thu Jul 6, 2023 4:09 am

zoyathedestroya wrote:Remember we can't even add anyone good that's gonna get bought out middle of season cos of the new apron rules.

We can if we stay under, which to this point we seem to be maneuvering to do

Bill Lumbergh · Post #296 » by **Bill Lumbergh** » Thu Jul 6, 2023 4:10 am

robdog_5 wrote:
ajones9219 wrote:

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The next part of her quote was but Dame doesn't want to go. So unless you think Brad is willing to gamble on that.

Not that big a gamble, imo. It's not like he's an expiring.

robdog_5 · Post #297 » by **robdog_5** » Thu Jul 6, 2023 4:10 am

Curmudgeon wrote:Once again, this offseason has been a disaster so far for the Celtics. When Brown gets the supermax, the disaster will be complete. At least they have some draft picks to rebuild after the extent of the damage becomes evident.

A disaster would be losing Tatum. Smart and Grant sucks. But Porzingis is better than either.

robdog_5 · Post #298 » by **robdog_5** » Thu Jul 6, 2023 4:11 am

NuckyPowell wrote:
robdog_5 wrote:
ajones9219 wrote:

Read on Twitter

The next part of her quote was but Dame doesn't want to go. So unless you think Brad is willing to gamble on that.

Not that big a gamble, imo. It's not like he's an expiring.

I 100% agree. I'd do it. Just the text isn't really complete there.

ajones9219 · Post #299 » by **ajones9219** » Thu Jul 6, 2023 4:11 am

NuckyPowell wrote:
robdog_5 wrote:
ajones9219 wrote:

Read on Twitter

The next part of her quote was but Dame doesn't want to go. So unless you think Brad is willing to gamble on that.

Not that big a gamble, imo. It's not like he's an expiring.

yep. Him sitting is the most absurd possible take. I can't believe that anyone actually buys that

zoyathedestroya · Post #300 » by **zoyathedestroya** » Thu Jul 6, 2023 4:14 am

hugepatsfan wrote:
zoyathedestroya wrote:Remember we can't even add anyone good that's gonna get bought out middle of season cos of the new apron rules.

We can if we stay under, which to this point we seem to be maneuvering to do

Yep, what I meant. So unless there’s more maneuvering to cut salary, I’m not even sure we’ll use either the MLE or newly created TPE.