Do Draymond Green and Klay Thompson deserve to be in the Hall of Fame?

[dhsilv2]

Um, pretty sure playing with steph isnt what makes klay an elite shooter...Yes, he benefitted playing with steph, but same goes for steph playing with klay as well..

Klay's stats without steph curry in his career:
119 GP
32.9 mpg
20.7ppg
FG% 44.2
3p%: 40.3
https://www.statmuse.com/nba/ask/klay-thompson-stats-without-steph-curry

Klay's stats without steph last season:
20 GP
34.6mpg
26.4ppg
45.2 FG%
42.6% 3p%
https://www.statmuse.com/nba/ask/klay-thompson-stats-without-steph-curry-2023

Klay thompson stats without steph curry career playoffs:
12 GP
37.7 mpg
26.4 ppg
48.5 FG%
45.6 3p%

Seeing as how klay plays pretty well even without steph, I think its safe to say his HOF merit is not based purely on just playing with steph curry.

Nice post. Way to bring some stats to the debate.

That said, the only stats with a meaningful sample size is that first group of regular season stats. And they show exactly what the Klay naysayers are saying: that Klay is very good to be sure, but perhaps not quite HOF material.

I like Klay and I wouldn't be upset if he made the Hall or anything. He is close on merit, and he is certainly better than a handful of guys who did make it. I'm just saying that I think he falls just short of truly "deserving" it, in my purely subjective opinion.

TBF a large chunk of those games came in his rookie season where steph hurt his ankle. I think if we remove those 40 some odd games, klay's averages without steph is closer to 24-25ppg

And yea, klay shouldnt be a shoo-in for the HOF. I think playing with steph and the warriors definitely helps his HOF bid. There are tiers to HOFers of course, and klay certainly isnt at the top. I think what puts him in there for me is the elite shooting and unique playstyle. He showed you can put up all star level play as a guard without the need to be a primary or secondary ball handler. His skillset is imo important to future generations and evolution of the game. There will literally be young players trying to emulate what klay thompson has done for generations to come. There's a reason why guys like joe harris and kyle korver arent making the HOF. And even if you swapped those guys with klay on the warriors, they imo still wouldnt be HOF worthy.

Oh man Korver on the warriors vs Klay...he might have been a 25-30 a game guy! Sure he wouldn't be a good defender but man, 100% he'd be in the hall.

[Clyde Frazier]

They're locks and should be locks. It's not hard to look beyond the raw numbers and see how much they contributed to winning those titles.

[Ballerhogger]

I dont think Klay career been good enough but his rangz will get him in . Green will make it surely

[tdot_steel]

Why not? They got 4 rings

So Robert Horry is a HOFamer
Steve Kerr
Ron Harper
Derek Fisher

[ShootersShoot]

Nice post. Way to bring some stats to the debate.

That said, the only stats with a meaningful sample size is that first group of regular season stats. And they show exactly what the Klay naysayers are saying: that Klay is very good to be sure, but perhaps not quite HOF material.

I like Klay and I wouldn't be upset if he made the Hall or anything. He is close on merit, and he is certainly better than a handful of guys who did make it. I'm just saying that I think he falls just short of truly "deserving" it, in my purely subjective opinion.

TBF a large chunk of those games came in his rookie season where steph hurt his ankle. I think if we remove those 40 some odd games, klay's averages without steph is closer to 24-25ppg

And yea, klay shouldnt be a shoo-in for the HOF. I think playing with steph and the warriors definitely helps his HOF bid. There are tiers to HOFers of course, and klay certainly isnt at the top. I think what puts him in there for me is the elite shooting and unique playstyle. He showed you can put up all star level play as a guard without the need to be a primary or secondary ball handler. His skillset is imo important to future generations and evolution of the game. There will literally be young players trying to emulate what klay thompson has done for generations to come. There's a reason why guys like joe harris and kyle korver arent making the HOF. And even if you swapped those guys with klay on the warriors, they imo still wouldnt be HOF worthy.

Oh man Korver on the warriors vs Klay...he might have been a 25-30 a game guy! Sure he wouldn't be a good defender but man, 100% he'd be in the hall.

Nah korver did not have the perimeter footwork klay had, especially in the mid range. Also Klay was a much better finisher at the rim and also his ability to get to the rim/cut to the rim.

So if klay never averaged 25ppg on the warriors, you are inferring that korver would do better therefore he is a better player but just in worse circumstances?

Do I think klay could average over 15ppg playing on other teams? Because korver couldnt. 100% Klay would average over 15ppg easily playing on a different team in his career. Keep in mind if we increase korver's shot attempts, that his efficiency would most likely plummet.

[dhsilv2]

TBF a large chunk of those games came in his rookie season where steph hurt his ankle. I think if we remove those 40 some odd games, klay's averages without steph is closer to 24-25ppg

And yea, klay shouldnt be a shoo-in for the HOF. I think playing with steph and the warriors definitely helps his HOF bid. There are tiers to HOFers of course, and klay certainly isnt at the top. I think what puts him in there for me is the elite shooting and unique playstyle. He showed you can put up all star level play as a guard without the need to be a primary or secondary ball handler. His skillset is imo important to future generations and evolution of the game. There will literally be young players trying to emulate what klay thompson has done for generations to come. There's a reason why guys like joe harris and kyle korver arent making the HOF. And even if you swapped those guys with klay on the warriors, they imo still wouldnt be HOF worthy.

Oh man Korver on the warriors vs Klay...he might have been a 25-30 a game guy! Sure he wouldn't be a good defender but man, 100% he'd be in the hall.

Nah korver did not have the perimeter footwork klay had, especially in the mid range. Also Klay was a much better finisher at the rim and also his ability to get to the rim/cut to the rim.

So if klay never averaged 25ppg on the warriors, you are inferring that korver would do better therefore he is a better player but just in worse circumstances?

Do I think klay could average over 15ppg playing on other teams? Because korver couldnt. 100% Klay would average over 15ppg easily playing on a different team in his career. Keep in mind if we increase korver's shot attempts, that his efficiency would most likely plummet.

On the warriors Korver at his best would score more than Klay. That doesn't mean he was better. Just he could score more because he's just a better shooter and better off ball outside. Neither imo would be allstars on a bad team.

[ShootersShoot]

Oh man Korver on the warriors vs Klay...he might have been a 25-30 a game guy! Sure he wouldn't be a good defender but man, 100% he'd be in the hall.

Nah korver did not have the perimeter footwork klay had, especially in the mid range. Also Klay was a much better finisher at the rim and also his ability to get to the rim/cut to the rim.

So if klay never averaged 25ppg on the warriors, you are inferring that korver would do better therefore he is a better player but just in worse circumstances?

Do I think klay could average over 15ppg playing on other teams? Because korver couldnt. 100% Klay would average over 15ppg easily playing on a different team in his career. Keep in mind if we increase korver's shot attempts, that his efficiency would most likely plummet.

On the warriors Korver at his best would score more than Klay. That doesn't mean he was better. Just he could score more because he's just a better shooter and better off ball outside. Neither imo would be allstars on a bad team.

So you think korver could average in the range of steph curry scoring average in the warriors system? Man cmon dont be ridiculous. Korver was a very limited player despite his shooting ability. He probably gets somewhere in the range of 3-6 points more per game at best.

[dhsilv2]

Nah korver did not have the perimeter footwork klay had, especially in the mid range. Also Klay was a much better finisher at the rim and also his ability to get to the rim/cut to the rim.

So if klay never averaged 25ppg on the warriors, you are inferring that korver would do better therefore he is a better player but just in worse circumstances?

Do I think klay could average over 15ppg playing on other teams? Because korver couldnt. 100% Klay would average over 15ppg easily playing on a different team in his career. Keep in mind if we increase korver's shot attempts, that his efficiency would most likely plummet.

On the warriors Korver at his best would score more than Klay. That doesn't mean he was better. Just he could score more because he's just a better shooter and better off ball outside. Neither imo would be allstars on a bad team.

So you think korver could average in the range of steph curry scoring average in the warriors system? Man cmon dont be ridiculous. Korver was a very limited player despite his shooting ability. He probably gets somewhere in the range of 3-6 points more per game at best.

That or Curry would have averaged 35....

[ShootersShoot]

On the warriors Korver at his best would score more than Klay. That doesn't mean he was better. Just he could score more because he's just a better shooter and better off ball outside. Neither imo would be allstars on a bad team.

So you think korver could average in the range of steph curry scoring average in the warriors system? Man cmon dont be ridiculous. Korver was a very limited player despite his shooting ability. He probably gets somewhere in the range of 3-6 points more per game at best.

That or Curry would have averaged 35....

That's not how basketball works. One just doesnt become a perennial star player simply because they are in a perfect system. Players can put up stats better than what they really are, but not that type of dramatic jump.

[Ito]

Why not? They got 4 rings

So Robert Horry is a HOFamer
Steve Kerr
Ron Harper
Derek Fisher

That’s your argument? Draymond n klay better than those players

[KazuoOda]

I know ppl dislike Draymond but the Draymond disrespect is crazy.

[SunsLyf3]

Draymond is easily the best defensive player of the 2010's and without him the Warriors dynasty is not what it is today. Klay has a very string case given all of his ridiculous performances in the playoff pre-injuries.

[SunsLyf3]

Why not? They got 4 rings

So Robert Horry is a HOFamer
Steve Kerr
Ron Harper
Derek Fisher

Kerr is definitely going to end up in the HoF. Horry has a chance.

[dhsilv2]

So you think korver could average in the range of steph curry scoring average in the warriors system? Man cmon dont be ridiculous. Korver was a very limited player despite his shooting ability. He probably gets somewhere in the range of 3-6 points more per game at best.

That or Curry would have averaged 35....

That's not how basketball works. One just doesnt become a perennial star player simply because they are in a perfect system. Players can put up stats better than what they really are, but not that type of dramatic jump.

Klay's stats aren't allstar level outside of 2015. You're acting like Klay actually played like an allstar...he hasn't.

[DrCoach]

Klay needs about 300 3 pters to pass Reggie Miller and be top 5 all time. I think that will cement it for him

Draymond yes

[ShootersShoot]

That or Curry would have averaged 35....

That's not how basketball works. One just doesnt become a perennial star player simply because they are in a perfect system. Players can put up stats better than what they really are, but not that type of dramatic jump.

Klay's stats aren't allstar level outside of 2015. You're acting like Klay actually played like an allstar...he hasn't.

Which is why it is illogical you think korver could do it. A guy whose game is even more limited and who has worse physical traits. BTW Klay was 12th in scoring in 2016 and only Steph, KD, harden had a higher TS% than him. 17 and 18 he was top 24 in scoring, which is at least all star caliber. I would put anyone in the top 25 in scoring any given year, especially with above average efficiency, to be all star caliber.

[dhsilv2]

That's not how basketball works. One just doesnt become a perennial star player simply because they are in a perfect system. Players can put up stats better than what they really are, but not that type of dramatic jump.

Klay's stats aren't allstar level outside of 2015. You're acting like Klay actually played like an allstar...he hasn't.

Which is why it is illogical you think korver could do it. A guy whose game is even more limited and who has worse physical traits. BTW Klay was 12th in scoring in 2016 and only Steph, KD, harden had a higher TS% than him. 17 and 18 he was top 24 in scoring, which is at least all star caliber. I would put anyone in the top 25 in scoring any given year, especially with above average efficiency, to be all star caliber.

If you think being top 25 in scoring makes you an allstar, you really don't understand basketball at all.

[ShootersShoot]

Klay's stats aren't allstar level outside of 2015. You're acting like Klay actually played like an allstar...he hasn't.

Which is why it is illogical you think korver could do it. A guy whose game is even more limited and who has worse physical traits. BTW Klay was 12th in scoring in 2016 and only Steph, KD, harden had a higher TS% than him. 17 and 18 he was top 24 in scoring, which is at least all star caliber. I would put anyone in the top 25 in scoring any given year, especially with above average efficiency, to be all star caliber.

If you think being top 25 in scoring makes you an allstar, you really don't understand basketball at all.

Its enough to be in consideration and therefore at "All star level" ..which is playing like an all star. And don't blame me for thinking that is all star level when the coaches that voted him in thought he was one as well. I guess they don't know anything about basketball either

You thinking korver can increase his scoring to 25ppg in any system playing with any player even as good as steph is where the lack of basketball understanding is.

[dhsilv2]

Which is why it is illogical you think korver could do it. A guy whose game is even more limited and who has worse physical traits. BTW Klay was 12th in scoring in 2016 and only Steph, KD, harden had a higher TS% than him. 17 and 18 he was top 24 in scoring, which is at least all star caliber. I would put anyone in the top 25 in scoring any given year, especially with above average efficiency, to be all star caliber.

If you think being top 25 in scoring makes you an allstar, you really don't understand basketball at all.

Its enough to be in consideration and therefore at "All star level" ..which is playing like an all star. And don't blame me for thinking that is all star level when the coaches that voted him in thought he was one as well. I guess they don't know anything about basketball either

You thinking korver can increase his scoring to 25ppg in any system playing with any player even as good as steph is where the lack of basketball understanding is.

being top 25 in scoring doesn't make you allstar level dude.

[ShootersShoot]

If you think being top 25 in scoring makes you an allstar, you really don't understand basketball at all.

Its enough to be in consideration and therefore at "All star level" ..which is playing like an all star. And don't blame me for thinking that is all star level when the coaches that voted him in thought he was one as well. I guess they don't know anything about basketball either

You thinking korver can increase his scoring to 25ppg in any system playing with any player even as good as steph is where the lack of basketball understanding is.

being top 25 in scoring doesn't make you allstar level dude.

No, but he was playing like an all star in those years and even the coaches thought so. I just provided a vague baseline in which a player should be considered eligible. But enough with semantics...you just dont understand basketball enough to realize the difference between a guy liek korver and klay thompson.