Video: Bball Breakdown: Trading Smart for Porzingis was good move.

[SuperDeluxe]

'Celtics make the Smart choice and trade Smart'.

I don't agree with this completely but it's worth watching.

Watch on YouTube

Those Smart clips are absolutely brutal.

Hard to say who had more lowlights last year--Smart or Brown.

Based on this video you would think Smart had a horrible assist to turnover ratio but he didn’t. I think it shows how he could get lackadaisical and showy leading him to make some really bad decisions at times.

You can compile a lowlight video of any NBA player and, if your viewer hasn't seen the player play much, you may get away with it.

Don't know who the guy on the video is, but he showed his cluelessness (or at least his lack of research on the C's) when he said his preferred starting five for 2023-24 has both Brown and Brogdon. I'm not a stats guy but I know that those two together on the court are bad news.

[tfmiii]

Gotta admit, those one-handed lobs rang a bell

[robbie84]

Those Smart clips are absolutely brutal.

Hard to say who had more lowlights last year--Smart or Brown.

Based on this video you would think Smart had a horrible assist to turnover ratio but he didn’t. I think it shows how he could get lackadaisical and showy leading him to make some really bad decisions at times.

You can compile a lowlight video of any NBA player and, if your viewer hasn't seen the player play much, you may get away with it.

Don't know who the guy on the video is, but he showed his cluelessness (or at least his lack of research on the C's) when he said his preferred starting five for 2023-24 has both Brown and Brogdon. I'm not a stats guy but I know that those two together on the court are bad news.

Dis he specifically say Brogdon in the starting 5 or did he mean closing games (they could be the best statistical unit).

[SuperDeluxe]

Based on this video you would think Smart had a horrible assist to turnover ratio but he didn’t. I think it shows how he could get lackadaisical and showy leading him to make some really bad decisions at times.

You can compile a lowlight video of any NBA player and, if your viewer hasn't seen the player play much, you may get away with it.

Don't know who the guy on the video is, but he showed his cluelessness (or at least his lack of research on the C's) when he said his preferred starting five for 2023-24 has both Brown and Brogdon. I'm not a stats guy but I know that those two together on the court are bad news.

Dis he specifically say Brogdon in the starting 5 or did he mean closing games (they could be the best statistical unit).

Starting 5

[celticfan42487]

You can compile a lowlight video of any NBA player and, if your viewer hasn't seen the player play much, you may get away with it.

Don't know who the guy on the video is, but he showed his cluelessness (or at least his lack of research on the C's) when he said his preferred starting five for 2023-24 has both Brown and Brogdon. I'm not a stats guy but I know that those two together on the court are bad news.

Dis he specifically say Brogdon in the starting 5 or did he mean closing games (they could be the best statistical unit).

Starting 5

Coach Nick has been a well known content maker in the mold of Thinking Basketball for quite awhile and well researched for his detailed breakdowns although although the past couple of years sadly it feels like he's gone more modern in the videos he's put out in an effort to increase casual fanbase and keep the breakdown of his analysis in video short which imo is a shame.

Conversely though he has hated Smart's inconsistency for at least 5 years and felt Smart at PG held back the Celtics due to probably all the reasons he put in the video and all the stats he listed.

But yeah even right after the trade when putting together a starting lineup just off the top of his head he put it as:

Brogdon
White
Brown
Tatum
KP

I suspect that would be the lineup he would end up with. And would want the Celtics to go out and fill out the backup wing spot in free agency.

With the goal of that group due to the adding shot making of KP to reduce any and all ball handling done by Jaylen Brown since KP can work as a hub for the offense that Horford can't due to his threat of scoring.

Basically the tried and true method of putting your best players on the court for your starting lineup.

It also is increasing ball skill on the court.

(doesn't hurt that it puts one of the oldest bigs in Horford on the bench and one of the most injury prone bigs in Rob on the bench too... Stevens really saddled this roster with as much injury risk as possible which is more of a GM issue than a putting together a lineup issue. The creator is a coach rather than a GM at heart and it shows sometimes... as perhaps it does with Stevens in his moves trading for endless injury risk that really has little chance to ALL make it healthy to the playoffs. Fools gold.)

[Triple7]

'Celtics make the Smart choice and trade Smart'.

I don't agree with this completely but it's worth watching.

Watch on YouTube

Those Smart clips are absolutely brutal.

Hard to say who had more lowlights last year--Smart or Brown.

Based on this video you would think Smart had a horrible assist to turnover ratio but he didn’t. I think it shows how he could get lackadaisical and showy leading him to make some really bad decisions at times.

Nah! Smart really ain’t a good passer. He forces passes too much, and expect his teammates to somehow catch or get them. His lob passes were horrible in the playoffs. Mostly too low, and rarely on target. I’m freakin glad he’s gone. That dude is not a starter caliber point guard for a team with championship aspirations.

[cloverleaf]

Those Smart clips are absolutely brutal.

Hard to say who had more lowlights last year--Smart or Brown.

Based on this video you would think Smart had a horrible assist to turnover ratio but he didn’t. I think it shows how he could get lackadaisical and showy leading him to make some really bad decisions at times.

Nah! Smart really ain’t a good passer. He forces passes too much, and expect his teammates to somehow catch or get them. His lob passes were horrible in the playoffs. Mostly too low, and rarely on target. I’m freakin glad he’s gone. That dude is not a starter caliber point guard for a team with championship aspirations.

Smart and Grant both really chatted up the media (of course, Grant chatted up anyone), which led them to getting more positive coverage than would otherwise be expected. So casual fans have a somewhat distorted sense of their value and contributions.

Smart combined those JB-esque miscues and turnovers with the infuriating, JT style of 2nd-half slowdown of play with any lead at all.

[brackdan70]

I think this trade made the team better. No doubt there. But I do/will miss Smart. Porzingas better dye his hair green now that he signed an extension

[sam_I_am]

I think this trade made the team better. No doubt there. But I do/will miss Smart. Porzingas better dye his hair green now that he signed an extension

White/Brogdon at PG is not much of a drop off from Smart/White/Brogdon apart from depth and insurance. Meanwhile, Porzingas is a huge upgrade over Grant. I love Grant but he was 6-6 and as tough and as smart as he is, his lack of length could be a problem at times.

The question mark is whether the loss of White/Brogdon minutes at SG can be filled by Hauser and Brissett without hurting the team. Alternatively, can PP or Banton play enough PG minutes to let those guys continue some time at wing.

[cloverleaf]

I think this trade made the team better. No doubt there. But I do/will miss Smart. Porzingas better dye his hair green now that he signed an extension

White/Brogdon at PG is not much of a drop off from Smart/White/Brogdon apart from depth and insurance. Meanwhile, Porzingas is a huge upgrade over Grant. I love Grant but he was 6-6 and as tough and as smart as he is, his lack of length could be a problem at times.

The question mark is whether the loss of White/Brogdon minutes at SG can be filled by Hauser and Brissett without hurting the team. Alternatively, can PP or Banton play enough PG minutes to let those guys continue some time at wing.

No problem: Rob can start with Porzi and The Elite Shooter can come off the bench with a Euro. And my guess is Malcolm plays somewhere else.

[AgentGreen]

Good explanation about Smart and the position he had to play for us. I always said that this issue is not a knock on Smart but on our GM/staff who never made moves to fill this gap. We always needed a floor general next to Smart. He never had the iq to make the type of passss to breakdown the opponents defenses and zone schemes.


FO saw the oppertunity with White and Brogdon on the roster and pulled the trigger.
Marcus got scapegoated for their mistakes imo which he never deserved. Dude played a position he never should've played in the first place.

Glad for him that he got traded to a good team though. Marcus will show his true value next to Morant. Probably will be in conversation for DPOY the next 2-3 years.

[cloverleaf]

Good explanation about Smart and the position he had to play for us. I always said that this issue is not a knock on Smart but on our GM/staff who never made moves to fill this gap. We always needed a floor general next to Smart. He never had the iq to make the type of passss to breakdown the opponents defenses and zone schemes.


FO saw the oppertunity with White and Brogdon on the roster and pulled the trigger.
Marcus got scapegoated for their mistakes imo which he never deserved. Dude played a position he never should've played in the first place.

Glad for him that he got traded to a good team though. Marcus will show his true value next to Morant. Probably will be in conversation for DPOY the next 2-3 years.

Kudos to Smart if he somehow decides to play consistent D. In Boston, he gave that up once his campaign for DPOY finally paid off.

[Hal14]

You can compile a lowlight video of any NBA player and, if your viewer hasn't seen the player play much, you may get away with it.

Don't know who the guy on the video is, but he showed his cluelessness (or at least his lack of research on the C's) when he said his preferred starting five for 2023-24 has both Brown and Brogdon. I'm not a stats guy but I know that those two together on the court are bad news.

Dis he specifically say Brogdon in the starting 5 or did he mean closing games (they could be the best statistical unit).

Starting 5

Where in the video did he say that?

Also, my understanding is that Brogdon + Brown was only a poor performing duo when they were the 2 guys running the bench unit (so JB + 4 bench guys with Brogdon of course being 1 of those 4 bench guys). I'm not sure there's any evidence that JB + Brogdon + 3 starters is a poor performing lineup.

With that being said, I doubt Brogdon gets moved into the starting lineup (mainly because it's what he is used to doing on this team and it allows us to manage his minutes better) but it's not the craziest idea. Afterall, the analyst who made the video makes some valid points about how well the team plays with Tatum at the 4 and with JB at the 3 (a lineup where JB is asked to do less ball handling which is a good thing).

[SuperDeluxe]

Dis he specifically say Brogdon in the starting 5 or did he mean closing games (they could be the best statistical unit).

Starting 5

Where in the video did he say that?

Also, my understanding is that Brogdon + Brown was only a poor performing duo when they were the 2 guys running the bench unit (so JB + 4 bench guys with Brogdon of course being 1 of those 4 bench guys). I'm not sure there's any evidence that JB + Brogdon + 3 starters is a poor performing lineup.

With that being said, I doubt Brogdon gets moved into the starting lineup (mainly because it's what he is used to doing on this team and it allows us to manage his minutes better) but it's not the craziest idea. Afterall, the analyst who made the video makes some valid points about how well the team plays with Tatum at the 4 and with JB at the 3 (a lineup where JB is asked to do less ball handling which is a good thing).

I won't watch the whole video again so I can't tell you where in the video he said that. It's when he mentions his preferred starting lineup.

Like I said, I'm not a stats guy but it's been mentioned multiple times on this board that, statistically, Brown and Brogdon together on the court wasn't good. The stat also matches the eye test, since those two are the players who (along with Pritchard) tend to stop the ball movement.

[LewisnotMiller]

But I do/will miss Smart. Porzingas better dye his hair green now that he signed an extension

Ha! Exact comment my daughter made...

[steefP2]

Starting 5

Where in the video did he say that?

Also, my understanding is that Brogdon + Brown was only a poor performing duo when they were the 2 guys running the bench unit (so JB + 4 bench guys with Brogdon of course being 1 of those 4 bench guys). I'm not sure there's any evidence that JB + Brogdon + 3 starters is a poor performing lineup.

With that being said, I doubt Brogdon gets moved into the starting lineup (mainly because it's what he is used to doing on this team and it allows us to manage his minutes better) but it's not the craziest idea. Afterall, the analyst who made the video makes some valid points about how well the team plays with Tatum at the 4 and with JB at the 3 (a lineup where JB is asked to do less ball handling which is a good thing).

I won't watch the whole video again so I can't tell you where in the video he said that. It's when he mentions his preferred starting lineup.

Like I said, I'm not a stats guy but it's been mentioned multiple times on this board that, statistically, Brown and Brogdon together on the court wasn't good. The stat also matches the eye test, since those two are the players who (along with Pritchard) tend to stop the ball movement.

Jaylen and brogdon together on the court were a -1 in 1800 possessions but they are + 4 in the 700 possessions that Derrick white joined them and in the 1000 possessions Jaylen and brogdon shared the court without smart they were actually + 6. So not to put it all on smart but it seems that when brogdon can be the primary pg it works fine. I still wanna start double big but brogdon led bench units should work extremely well as long as brogdon can be the primary ball handler. I think brogdon/Porzingis second units are gonna finally be the answer to non Tatum bench woes

[ParticleMan]

Where in the video did he say that?

Also, my understanding is that Brogdon + Brown was only a poor performing duo when they were the 2 guys running the bench unit (so JB + 4 bench guys with Brogdon of course being 1 of those 4 bench guys). I'm not sure there's any evidence that JB + Brogdon + 3 starters is a poor performing lineup.

With that being said, I doubt Brogdon gets moved into the starting lineup (mainly because it's what he is used to doing on this team and it allows us to manage his minutes better) but it's not the craziest idea. Afterall, the analyst who made the video makes some valid points about how well the team plays with Tatum at the 4 and with JB at the 3 (a lineup where JB is asked to do less ball handling which is a good thing).

I won't watch the whole video again so I can't tell you where in the video he said that. It's when he mentions his preferred starting lineup.

Like I said, I'm not a stats guy but it's been mentioned multiple times on this board that, statistically, Brown and Brogdon together on the court wasn't good. The stat also matches the eye test, since those two are the players who (along with Pritchard) tend to stop the ball movement.

Jaylen and brogdon together on the court were a -1 in 1800 possessions but they are + 4 in the 700 possessions that Derrick white joined them and in the 1000 possessions Jaylen and brogdon shared the court without smart they were actually + 6. So not to put it all on smart but it seems that when brogdon can be the primary pg it works fine. I still wanna start double big but brogdon led bench units should work extremely well as long as brogdon can be the primary ball handler. I think brogdon/Porzingis second units are gonna finally be the answer to non Tatum bench woes

brogs+JB wasn't as horrible as it seemed by eye but it was definitely ugly. i don't put it on smart so much as JB/coaching. basically, when tatum+brogs were together (start of the 4th, usually) they worked well because both are good ballhandlers and passers. JB was trying to replicate tatum but he isn't nearly the ballhandler or passer that tatum is, so it quickly devolved into my turn your turn. having smart there surely didn't help, he often reverts to this as soon as others do instead of taking it upon himself to promote ball movement (horf is the exact opposite).

but the bottom line this should be something where Joe steps in and says no, brogs is the primary handler and JB you should be off the ball instead of trying to create from 30 feet out and turning it over more often than not. and brogs you need to go back to your indy days where you were responsible for setting up others. it can work, but not if we keep doing what we've been doing.

[La Flame]

I won't watch the whole video again so I can't tell you where in the video he said that. It's when he mentions his preferred starting lineup.

Like I said, I'm not a stats guy but it's been mentioned multiple times on this board that, statistically, Brown and Brogdon together on the court wasn't good. The stat also matches the eye test, since those two are the players who (along with Pritchard) tend to stop the ball movement.

Jaylen and brogdon together on the court were a -1 in 1800 possessions but they are + 4 in the 700 possessions that Derrick white joined them and in the 1000 possessions Jaylen and brogdon shared the court without smart they were actually + 6. So not to put it all on smart but it seems that when brogdon can be the primary pg it works fine. I still wanna start double big but brogdon led bench units should work extremely well as long as brogdon can be the primary ball handler. I think brogdon/Porzingis second units are gonna finally be the answer to non Tatum bench woes

brogs+JB wasn't as horrible as it seemed by eye but it was definitely ugly. i don't put it on smart so much as JB/coaching. basically, when tatum+brogs were together (start of the 4th, usually) they worked well because both are good ballhandlers and passers. JB was trying to replicate tatum but he isn't nearly the ballhandler or passer that tatum is, so it quickly devolved into my turn your turn. having smart there surely didn't help, he often reverts to this as soon as others do instead of taking it upon himself to promote ball movement (horf is the exact opposite).

but the bottom line this should be something where Joe steps in and says no, brogs is the primary handler and JB you should be off the ball instead of trying to create from 30 feet out and turning it over more often than not. and brogs you need to go back to your indy days where you were responsible for setting up others. it can work, but not if we keep doing what we've been doing.

We been watching this group of guys for years and it doesn't matter who the coach is it's still gonna devolve into myturn-yourturn, you can bet on that lol.

We've also had pretty soft coaches who don't ever hold any player accountable except the young 2nd rounders with potential who are stuck on the end of the bench.

[celticfan42487]

Jaylen and brogdon together on the court were a -1 in 1800 possessions but they are + 4 in the 700 possessions that Derrick white joined them and in the 1000 possessions Jaylen and brogdon shared the court without smart they were actually + 6. So not to put it all on smart but it seems that when brogdon can be the primary pg it works fine. I still wanna start double big but brogdon led bench units should work extremely well as long as brogdon can be the primary ball handler. I think brogdon/Porzingis second units are gonna finally be the answer to non Tatum bench woes

brogs+JB wasn't as horrible as it seemed by eye but it was definitely ugly. i don't put it on smart so much as JB/coaching. basically, when tatum+brogs were together (start of the 4th, usually) they worked well because both are good ballhandlers and passers. JB was trying to replicate tatum but he isn't nearly the ballhandler or passer that tatum is, so it quickly devolved into my turn your turn. having smart there surely didn't help, he often reverts to this as soon as others do instead of taking it upon himself to promote ball movement (horf is the exact opposite).

but the bottom line this should be something where Joe steps in and says no, brogs is the primary handler and JB you should be off the ball instead of trying to create from 30 feet out and turning it over more often than not. and brogs you need to go back to your indy days where you were responsible for setting up others. it can work, but not if we keep doing what we've been doing.

We been watching this group of guys for years and it doesn't matter who the coach is it's still gonna devolve into myturn-yourturn, you can bet on that lol.

We've also had pretty soft coaches who don't ever hold any player accountable except the young 2nd rounders with potential who are stuck on the end of the bench.

I was really hoping post trade that we had a wink wink deal that CP3 was going to get cut and come here and take over the locker room to completely change that toxic culture.

It's fine when you're LeBron and doing it or MJ.

It's not fine when you're Smart and the Jays and you lead the NBA to the worst record in the clutch for the past 2-3 years is it now?

We desperately needed ball handling, playmaking, and a leadership change. Job was half done by KP by removing Smart to open the door but we never filled the open position with someone to come in and do the work lol.

[ajones9219]

You can compile a lowlight video of any NBA player and, if your viewer hasn't seen the player play much, you may get away with it.

Don't know who the guy on the video is, but he showed his cluelessness (or at least his lack of research on the C's) when he said his preferred starting five for 2023-24 has both Brown and Brogdon. I'm not a stats guy but I know that those two together on the court are bad news.

Dis he specifically say Brogdon in the starting 5 or did he mean closing games (they could be the best statistical unit).

Starting 5

Basically every statistic shows that the Celtics were at their best when brown/Tatum/Brogdan and white all shared the floor. People can cite some eye test bs, but that the stats don't lie.