Trade/Free Agency Thread, part Ocho, 2023-24

[Fencer reregistered]

Cannot say I love the trade because second round picks are kind of useless Boston definitely needs some depth now

2nd round picks are not useless by any means with the new CBA.

Boston has had 26 second round picks since 2000 and the only player that has made an impact is Big Baby. Maybe they are good for throw aways in trades (like we saw teams doing this year) or to have a warm body glued to the bench but chances are Boston isn't going to land an impact player in the second round.

Leon Powe.

[The_Ghost_of_JB]

2nd round picks are not useless by any means with the new CBA.

Boston has had 26 second round picks since 2000 and the only player that has made an impact is Big Baby. Maybe they are good for throw aways in trades (like we saw teams doing this year) or to have a warm body glued to the bench but chances are Boston isn't going to land an impact player in the second round.

Leon Powe.

True forgot about him. 2 impact players in the past 23 years. Although to be fair Denver drafted him not Boston.

[steefP2]

2 options for brogdon trades


Brogdon +‘Pritchard + 1 pick for demar derozan

If you’re going all in; this is a low cost move. Derozan is expiring so it’s only a 1 year move most likely unless you can resign him cheap ish. We’d be low on pg’s bht derozan is probably an equivalent playmaker as brogdon. Don’t love this trade but it’s a talent upgrade that cleans the books for next year.

Move 2; brogdon + Pritchard + 1 first and 2 seconds for bojan bogdanovic and Monte morris

Gets you a great but old wing shooter and a decent back up point. Guard position takes a hit but Monte is a capable steward and gives us more depth for the 3 and 4. Bojan has another year next under contract but it’s not fully guaranteed. Both moves don’t help the defense but it’s not like brogdon was a stalwart there.
Morris is expiring but we’d have a good shot at resigning him imo

[steefP2]

Boston has had 26 second round picks since 2000 and the only player that has made an impact is Big Baby. Maybe they are good for throw aways in trades (like we saw teams doing this year) or to have a warm body glued to the bench but chances are Boston isn't going to land an impact player in the second round.

Leon Powe.

True forgot about him. 2 impact players in the past 23 years. Although to be fair Denver drafted him not Boston.

Tbf the new second round exception makes early second picks more valuable; you already have agents asking people not to take their players at the end of the first because they can get better deals with the new exception.

theres real value with this new element since the exception lets you sign a deal long enough to get full Bird, getting stuck with Early Bird on a two year deal is probably exactly what the agents don’t want

Team gets RFA and non guarantee, agent / player gets Bird

It’s gonna be an essential team building aspect in this new cba for the expensive teams. Maybe Brad is wrong about this all but it shows good foresight Imo

[Fencer reregistered]

Boston has had 26 second round picks since 2000 and the only player that has made an impact is Big Baby. Maybe they are good for throw aways in trades (like we saw teams doing this year) or to have a warm body glued to the bench but chances are Boston isn't going to land an impact player in the second round.

Leon Powe.

True forgot about him. 2 impact players in the past 23 years. Although to be fair Denver drafted him not Boston.

I can think of a truly important Celtics 2nd round pick, but it was over 40 years ago, and only possible because the guy didn't actually want to come to the NBA.

Somewhat analogously, the best 2nd-round pick we can think of for any team was an international player. Ginoboli was one of the top all-time 2nd-round picks as well.

[zoyathedestroya]

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For teams calling about trading for Damian Lillard, the message from the Portland Trail Blazers has been unambiguous: Bring your best offer and make your team our preferred trade destination. General manager Joe Cronin doesn't plan to operate a transfer portal to the Miami Heat and dutifully deliver history's greatest Blazer to his targeted team.

Ownership plans to honor Lillard's request for a trade, but Blazers officials are telling teams they'll move Lillard for only the deepest return of assets available. Portland is pursuing the sliding scale superstar package of desirable draft picks and high-level young players. For the summer, Cronin's betting the market over Miami.

As he executes the exit of the greatest player in franchise history, executives talking to Cronin describe him as devoid of sentiment. Business for Lillard, business for the Blazers.

As Cronin explores the broader landscape, Lillard's agent, Aaron Goodwin, has been calling prospective trade partners and warning against trading for his client, team executives told ESPN. Goodwin is telling organizations outside of Miami that trading for Lillard is trading for an unhappy player. As interference goes, this is a time-honored agent maneuver to depress offers and clear a path to a predetermined destination.

[The_Ghost_of_JB]

Leon Powe.

True forgot about him. 2 impact players in the past 23 years. Although to be fair Denver drafted him not Boston.

I can think of a truly important Celtics 2nd round pick, but it was over 40 years ago, and only possible because the guy didn't actually want to come to the NBA.

Somewhat analogously, the best 2nd-round pick we can think of for any team was an international player. Ginoboli was one of the top all-time 2nd-round picks as well.

Yeah he was great and obviously Joker is as well but for every players like them there is 200 Steve Hamers.

[darrendaye]

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For teams calling about trading for Damian Lillard, the message from the Portland Trail Blazers has been unambiguous: Bring your best offer and make your team our preferred trade destination. General manager Joe Cronin doesn't plan to operate a transfer portal to the Miami Heat and dutifully deliver history's greatest Blazer to his targeted team.

Ownership plans to honor Lillard's request for a trade, but Blazers officials are telling teams they'll move Lillard for only the deepest return of assets available. Portland is pursuing the sliding scale superstar package of desirable draft picks and high-level young players. For the summer, Cronin's betting the market over Miami.

As he executes the exit of the greatest player in franchise history, executives talking to Cronin describe him as devoid of sentiment. Business for Lillard, business for the Blazers.

As Cronin explores the broader landscape, Lillard's agent, Aaron Goodwin, has been calling prospective trade partners and warning against trading for his client, team executives told ESPN. Goodwin is telling organizations outside of Miami that trading for Lillard is trading for an unhappy player. As interference goes, this is a time-honored agent maneuver to depress offers and clear a path to a predetermined destination.

Seriously doubt there is a real match here for Boston. I just hope Portland has an affinity for bringing Payton Pritchard home and Miami (or New Orleans ) gets creative and includes us in the mega-team deal.

[lon3lytoaster]

If no Jaylen news today, I'm just going to go into the It's Happening Bunker.

[Hal14]

What team needs cap space to give the Celtics a player with their new $6.2 million TPE?

Idk but Cole Anthony could fit there. Or I. Stewart if another move gets made.

I'd definitely take 1 of them with the Grant TPE..

[fallguy]

Danny would make a Lillard trade without blinking. Wouldn't care he doesn't want to be here.

[sam_I_am]

Cannot say I love the trade because second round picks are kind of useless Boston definitely needs some depth now

2nd round picks are not useless by any means with the new CBA.

Boston has had 26 second round picks since 2000 and the only player that has made an impact is Big Baby. Maybe they are good for throw aways in trades (like we saw teams doing this year) or to have a warm body glued to the bench but chances are Boston isn't going to land an impact player in the second round.

I normally would agree with you 100% but the approach with Brad is different now. They aren’t trying to land the needle in haystack guy like DGreen, IT or Jokic anymore - only to wind up with a Carson Edwards. Team is looking for Gabe Vincent types or guys like Yam and Begarin that aren’t impact players but rather guys with untapped potential.

Sam Hauser and Max Strus are 2 such guys that eventually have made an impact and both were undrafted. I think Walsh and JD are 2 guys that might pan out as contributors. Maybe Yam or Begarin become assets too - they haven’t flamed out yet.

The 3 2-way slots and G-league has really changed the dynamic. When taking Brad’s approach, volume of picks is pretty handy. Plus, there will always be a cap strapped team with late first round pick that might be open to trading down to avoid guaranteed contract.

[steefP2]

What team needs cap space to give the Celtics a player with their new $6.2 million TPE?

Idk but Cole Anthony could fit there. Or I. Stewart if another move gets made.

I'd definitely take 1 of them with the Grant TPE..

Realistically this tpe will not be used. It would put us into the 2nd apron and that’s not happening for a 10th guy. If we wanted to be in the 2nd apron; we would’ve kept grant.

[darrendaye]

Idk but Cole Anthony could fit there. Or I. Stewart if another move gets made.

I'd definitely take 1 of them with the Grant TPE..

Realistically this tpe will not be used. It would put us into the 2nd apron and that’s not happening for a 10th guy. If we wanted to be in the 2nd apron; we would’ve kept grant.

As my wife would say, I'd like it a little larger, but that TPE might be more helpful for next offseason's shuffling.

[celticgreenie]

Latest I’ve heard is Celts still working hard behind the scenes on a Dame to Boston scenario. Not afraid of “Dame only wants Miami”. Third team is the key. JB loves Boston but is open to being moved to a few teams out there.
JB willing to sign for the bag and return but he’s playing ball about the business side and possibly moving to a new team.
Another scenario still floating around I’m told is JB traded directly to a “mystery” team for a big haul back that would net Boston multiple win now guys. No idea what that scenario consist of but now I’m f’Ing curious.

Toronto? Orlando? Chicago? Atlanta? Cleveland?

Those are the teams that seem to make sense.

I'm guessing the Knicks. They have been tied to Mitchell and other stars. Brunson, Mitchell Robinson, others and assets might get it done. Brunson having still 3 years left on the contract and that contract being a bargain should be attractive to Brad. Brad likes trading for guys with multiple years like Derrick White or extending contracts like Porzingis. Makes sense as you don't want to give up assets for a guy not tied up long term.

The Raptors don't have those kind of contracts as Siakim expires after this year, and OG has a player option after next year.
Magic don't have enough win now guys available for trade I believe.
Bulls don't have the kind of players Brad wants outside of Caruso.
Hawks only really got Trae Young to offer, but I think Hawks would want Brown with Young.
Cleveland maybe.

[sam_I_am]

Idk but Cole Anthony could fit there. Or I. Stewart if another move gets made.

I'd definitely take 1 of them with the Grant TPE..

Realistically this tpe will not be used. It would put us into the 2nd apron and that’s not happening for a 10th guy. If we wanted to be in the 2nd apron; we would’ve kept grant.

If there is a player we want - like Cole, team can send out a contract like PP for example to make some wiggle room.

That said, with Smart’s 32 min per game needing to be filled, PP is a good fit now. White will increase his minutes from 28 to 36 and other wings instead of White will have to fill SG minutes but I can see PP getting 24 mpg this season.

[zoyathedestroya]

Once you get into the 20s in the draft, it becomes a crap shoot if you're looking for high impact players. Don't think there's been much difference in terms of getting a potential star in the 20s or in the 2nd round since 2010.

All-NBA players drafted 20th-30th from 2010-2020: Jimmy Butler, Rudy Gobert, Pascal Siakam
All-NBA players drafted in the 2nd round/UD, same period: Nikola Jokic (2-time MVP), Draymond Green, Isaiah Thomas

All-Stars from 20th-30th range, apart from above: Jarrett Allen, Dejounte Murray
All-Stars from 2nd round/UD, apart from above: FVV, Middleton

If you're just looking for depth and regular season minute eaters, there's a bunch of them in the 2nd round and even undrafteds. For potential non-star playoff contributors, just trade for them down the road (Nuggets didn't draft KCP and Bruce Brown or like the Cs with White and Brogdon).

[JaMarco]

Danny would make a Lillard trade without blinking. Wouldn't care he doesn't want to be here.

Does anyone even buy that he really "doesn't want to be here"?

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[zoyathedestroya]

Danny would make a Lillard trade without blinking. Wouldn't care he doesn't want to be here.

Except Danny would only offer one first round pick, one 2nd round pick, and our worst salary fillers.