Trade/Free Agency Thread, part Ocho, 2023-24

[zoyathedestroya]

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[Scarletfire81]

You guys willing to trade White, Brogs, Champagnie, and two 1st round picks for Dame?

Is that a serious question? Of course you do that trade, all day.

A starting five of Dame Tatum Brown Porzingus Timelord. Dear god that team would be ridiculous.

Yeah it would be great if the NBA implemented 5 minute quarters. Having Dame and PP as the only two PGs on the roster doesn't seem like the best idea.

Would I rather not give up White? Yes. But if he’s required to make the trade, you do it.

[bigfoot_cryptozoology]

You never expect the Stevens Inquisition...

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[zoyathedestroya]

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[Salahmanders]

Once you get into the 20s in the draft, it becomes a crap shoot if you're looking for high impact players. Don't think there's been much difference in terms of getting a potential star in the 20s or in the 2nd round since 2010.

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If you're just looking for depth and regular season minute eaters, there's a bunch of them in the 2nd round and even undrafteds. For potential non-star playoff contributors, just trade for them down the road (Nuggets didn't draft KCP and Bruce Brown or like the Cs with White and Brogdon).

I mean, historically once you get to #2 the draft is a crap shoot.

Seriously, though, I think there's two things that Brad is looking for with all the second rounders, and you hit on one, which is low cost bench and depth. The team's salary structure is incredibly top heavy, and is only going to get more so with JB and JT's supermax deals, so you need REALLY cheap (as in, below vet minimum) deals to keep your costs in check.

The other I think is a regret from the trade deadline, where we ended up with Mike Muscala, who did essentially nothing for us, while Atlanta got Saddiq Bey for a bunch of second round picks. I think Brad wants to be equipped to make that kind of deal at the deadline this year, especially considering at that point you're only taking on the prorated part of the player's salary, so you have more wiggle room with the second apron.

[ThirtyFour]

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[BK_2020]

Cannot say I love the trade because second round picks are kind of useless Boston definitely needs some depth now

2nd round picks are not useless by any means with the new CBA.

Boston has had 26 second round picks since 2000 and the only player that has made an impact is Big Baby. Maybe they are good for throw aways in trades (like we saw teams doing this year) or to have a warm body glued to the bench but chances are Boston isn't going to land an impact player in the second round.

we just gonn act like Ryan Gomes didn't exist?

[JaMarco]

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Who cares? The league business is dynamic, things change fast.

[chrisab123]

2nd round picks are not useless by any means with the new CBA.

Boston has had 26 second round picks since 2000 and the only player that has made an impact is Big Baby. Maybe they are good for throw aways in trades (like we saw teams doing this year) or to have a warm body glued to the bench but chances are Boston isn't going to land an impact player in the second round.

we just gonn act like Ryan Gomes didn't exist?

You mean Ryen Gomes. Right?

[zoyathedestroya]

Once you get into the 20s in the draft, it becomes a crap shoot if you're looking for high impact players. Don't think there's been much difference in terms of getting a potential star in the 20s or in the 2nd round since 2010.

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If you're just looking for depth and regular season minute eaters, there's a bunch of them in the 2nd round and even undrafteds. For potential non-star playoff contributors, just trade for them down the road (Nuggets didn't draft KCP and Bruce Brown or like the Cs with White and Brogdon).

I mean, historically once you get to #2 the draft is a crap shoot.

Seriously, though, I think there's two things that Brad is looking for with all the second rounders, and you hit on one, which is low cost bench and depth. The team's salary structure is incredibly top heavy, and is only going to get more so with JB and JT's supermax deals, so you need REALLY cheap (as in, below vet minimum) deals to keep your costs in check.

The other I think is a regret from the trade deadline, where we ended up with Mike Muscala, who did essentially nothing for us, while Atlanta got Saddiq Bey for a bunch of second round picks. I think Brad wants to be equipped to make that kind of deal at the deadline this year, especially considering at that point you're only taking on the prorated part of the player's salary, so you have more wiggle room with the second apron.

Mike Muscala didn't play much for us because 1) he got injured at some point 2) Cs have better players ahead of him. He really was just injury insurance. Both Timelord and Horford were healthy enough to finish the postseason. Knowing Joe and how we're set 1-8, Bey wouldn't be in our playoff rotation either.

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Idk but Cole Anthony could fit there. Or I. Stewart if another move gets made.

I'd definitely take 1 of them with the Grant TPE..

Realistically this tpe will not be used. It would put us into the 2nd apron and that’s not happening for a 10th guy. If we wanted to be in the 2nd apron; we would’ve kept grant.

You're probably right. But Brad is stockpiling draft picks and clearing out some $ and roster spots. It kind of seems like he is getting ready to to make a 2 for 1, 3 for 1 or maybe even 4 for 1 trade.

Perhaps for Lillard or Siakam.

Perhaps Brogdon headed out of town.

If we move a bunch of pieces out in the deal, now all of a sudden we have no 6th man and a big need for a backup guard. Then perhaps at that point you're in so deep with building a team that will crush the competition that you go all in, snag Anthony to be the 1st guard off the bench. Or perhaps it's a deal where Rob is headed out of town in a deal for Dame and you now need a backup big man - perhaps you make a move to snag Stewart to be the backup big man..

The TPE probably goes unused, but it's a nice tool to have at your disposal in case you need to add a player who (after other moves) would actually be our 6th or 7th man..

Perhaps another move is coming - perhaps Brogdon or Pritchard is moved, so we could use the TPE without going over the 2nd apron.

Or, perhaps what you say about "If we wanted to be in the 2nd apron; we would’ve kept grant" isn't quite true. Maybe (given equal pay on both teams) he just wanted to go to a team where he could get more playing time. I mean, it's not like he's some 34 year old ring chaser. He's 24, entering his prime. He's probably gonna be the starting PF in Dallas. That's a lot better than being the 8th or 9th man (and 4th big) here in Boston. I mean, he was racking up DNP's last year - and that was BEFORE we added Porzingis. Sure, we could've just matched Dallas offer, but then we'd have a disgruntled player in our locker room who is pissed off that we wouldn't let him go to the team where he'd be able to start..

[The_Ghost_of_JB]

Boston has had 26 second round picks since 2000 and the only player that has made an impact is Big Baby. Maybe they are good for throw aways in trades (like we saw teams doing this year) or to have a warm body glued to the bench but chances are Boston isn't going to land an impact player in the second round.

we just gonn act like Ryan Gomes didn't exist?

You mean Ryen Gomes. Right?

LOL classic. I was going to post that but I thought it may be too obscure for some people.

[zoyathedestroya]

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Yep. But I also believe he REALLY REALLY REALLY wants to play in Miami. Both things can be true.

[chrisab123]

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Yep. But I also believe he REALLY REALLY REALLY wants to play in Miami. Both things can be true.

Send him to Utah at this point if not Boston. At some point one of these franchises will need to take a hit in order to stop stacking these locations.

[Celtics_Champs]

I may be out on Dame.

This Miami crap is very corny. And I hate a corny crap.

[Larry_Russell]

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I do think its disrespectful to not let your guys know whats up.

Smart was blindsided, Danilo was blindsided.

[return2glory]

The thing to remember is Portland isn't going to trade Dame to any team he wants. They are going to trade him for the best assets they can get back. Portland and Dame will have to meet in the middle. I don't believe Miami is the only team he will play for.

[Larry_Russell]

I may be out on Dame.

This Miami crap is very corny. And I hate a corny crap.

I had a big corn boil last night, so dont look round my toilet.......

[The_Ghost_of_JB]

2nd round picks are not useless by any means with the new CBA.

Boston has had 26 second round picks since 2000 and the only player that has made an impact is Big Baby. Maybe they are good for throw aways in trades (like we saw teams doing this year) or to have a warm body glued to the bench but chances are Boston isn't going to land an impact player in the second round.

we just gonn act like Ryan Gomes didn't exist?

I didn't mention him because he was putting up ok numbers (10 PPG 30 mins a game) for 6 seasons with Boston Minnesota and the clippers who were god awful and had a combined record of 150-342 from 2005-2010. Someone had to score on those teams.

It is the same reason why people never thought much Michael Williams Carter when he was putting up numbers on the sixers who had a record of 37-127 for two seasons.

[Hal14]

Okay, hear me out...

Spoiler:

John Wall?

Crowder re-signed with MIL.

Oh. Makes sense.

Still need a physical, defensive 3/4 to replace Grant/Smart. Unless they can ask JB to lean into that role (I remember Brad used to put him on guys like Siakam and Griffin).

Brissett could do a decent enough job of that. Our top 8 is set, we would just need him to be a 9th man (maybe 10th behind Pritchard and maybe 11th behind Pritchard and Kornet).

And Grant was not very good defensively last season anyways. And he's not really quick enough to play the 5. Also doesn't rebound well enough to play the 4. Brissett is quicker, taller, longer wingspan, better rebounder. Could be comparable defensively. Obviously not as good a shooter but he's a 34% career shooter from 3 which isn't terrible.