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ajones9219 wrote:playa-hater wrote:ajones9219 wrote:
Disagree on the coach but I'll let that lie.
We get beat by lesser teams with Brad, ime, and Joe. At some point it's on the roster. I am in the minority who thinks clearing out smart will fix a lot of our mental issues
Smart out and the zinger in was a very good move.. But I still do not trust this coach..
Well we also stacked the bench with some of the best assistants in the league sooo
Andrew McCeltic wrote:Hope Brad gets creative. Maybe he’s got encouraging intel on Rob’s medicals..
Larry_Russell wrote:playa-hater wrote:zoyathedestroya wrote:
NOOOOOOOOOOOOO
That's not what I meant
look at the date
Larry_Russell wrote:Dame and his agent and the media is really pushing the whole Dame to Miami thing.
Its **** anoying.
Part of me is starting to hope he goes there and after gutting the team for him and they fail bigtime.
GoCeltics123 wrote:Brad must think Luka or Embiid is going to ask out in the next year
Bohemian wrote:If we are not making any trades this team would be worse than last year's. It makes no sense.
keevsnick1 wrote:Hal14 wrote:ddb wrote:
JB obviously knows Boston and likes it in Boston. Plus, he has major financial incentive to remain in Boston. But with that said, it wouldn't shock me if there's a mutual understanding between Brad & JB on what all the options are moving forward for both sides. JB understands the business side of this about as well as any player out there.
His name has been in trade rumors his entire career. And then there's the whole players union piece.
It's not like JB isn't aware. I mean, even if he signs the big ticket, he's right back to being in trade rumors next summer.
Reading between the lines with some of the stuff that has happened (we came up short in the finals in 2022, came up short of getting to the finals in 2023. 5 trips to the ECF now for JB and Smart together, 0 rings) then Smart gets moved, Grant gets moved, no extension yet for JB, Tatum recruiting Lillard.
Reading between the lines, it seems like perhaps there was a meeting with Tatum, Brad (and maybe others were there too like Wyc and Mazzulla) that this team, this group had run its course. That the Tatum/Brown/Smart core is unlikely to win a title together. That it's for the best to move Smart for someone like KP (Smart is probably not good enough to be the 3rd guy on a championship team - but KP probably is). Tatum and JB are too redundant, too much overlap, they play same position basically, they're both high scoring, high usage wings who are not elite defenders, not elite playmakers, it's not a recipe for winning a title. No team in the last 22 years has won a title with 2 high usage (30% or higher), low assist (under 25%) guys.
Perhaps Brad realized all of this, met with Tatum..then flips Smart for KP, flips JB for Dame and flips Grant (to save some $ since KP makes much more $ than Smart and Dame makes much more $ this season than JB)..and because Grant is just not that good lol.
Ya that's one read. You can also very easily read all of this a completely different way. Maybe they think trading Smart for a 7'2 shooting center option gives you the perfect PnR partner for two wing sized guys and gives your offense an actual identity. That combining Smart and Grant into one salary making 28.5 million in 24-25 actually makes it easier to carry Jaylen's extension that year. That stocking up on draft picks makes it easier to dump salary in future years if they want to keep Jaylen/Tatum/KP together while also giving them multiple shots at cheap cost controlled young guys to fill out the roster. And that maybe the Jaylen negotiations haven't wrapped up yet not because they are trading him but because they want to try an find a salary structure that works for both him and the team going forward and gives them a better chance of staying together.
The idea that Jaylen and JB are not a recipe for winning a title is just crazy to me, because they were like 5 minutes in game 4 of the 2022 NBA finals away from going up 3-1 and winning a title. They were some absolutely insanely bad shooting luck away from back-to-back finals trips this year. Those two together absolutely can win a title. My guess is the Celtics are going to do everything they can the next two years to try and win with those two, and if it doesn't work Jaylen gets traded in summer 25' the year before Celtics enter the repeater Tax and both Tatum and Browns extensions would be in effect.
zoyathedestroya wrote:The Athletic beat writers for the Celtics don't have any scoops, like ever. It's always Himmelsbach that's got the goods.
Celtics_Champs wrote:zoyathedestroya wrote:The Athletic beat writers for the Celtics don't have any scoops, like ever. It's always Himmelsbach that's got the goods.
And it’s never any good
Hal14 wrote:keevsnick1 wrote:Hal14 wrote:Reading between the lines with some of the stuff that has happened (we came up short in the finals in 2022, came up short of getting to the finals in 2023. 5 trips to the ECF now for JB and Smart together, 0 rings) then Smart gets moved, Grant gets moved, no extension yet for JB, Tatum recruiting Lillard.
Reading between the lines, it seems like perhaps there was a meeting with Tatum, Brad (and maybe others were there too like Wyc and Mazzulla) that this team, this group had run its course. That the Tatum/Brown/Smart core is unlikely to win a title together. That it's for the best to move Smart for someone like KP (Smart is probably not good enough to be the 3rd guy on a championship team - but KP probably is). Tatum and JB are too redundant, too much overlap, they play same position basically, they're both high scoring, high usage wings who are not elite defenders, not elite playmakers, it's not a recipe for winning a title. No team in the last 22 years has won a title with 2 high usage (30% or higher), low assist (under 25%) guys.
Perhaps Brad realized all of this, met with Tatum..then flips Smart for KP, flips JB for Dame and flips Grant (to save some $ since KP makes much more $ than Smart and Dame makes much more $ this season than JB)..and because Grant is just not that good lol.
Ya that's one read. You can also very easily read all of this a completely different way. Maybe they think trading Smart for a 7'2 shooting center option gives you the perfect PnR partner for two wing sized guys and gives your offense an actual identity. That combining Smart and Grant into one salary making 28.5 million in 24-25 actually makes it easier to carry Jaylen's extension that year. That stocking up on draft picks makes it easier to dump salary in future years if they want to keep Jaylen/Tatum/KP together while also giving them multiple shots at cheap cost controlled young guys to fill out the roster. And that maybe the Jaylen negotiations haven't wrapped up yet not because they are trading him but because they want to try an find a salary structure that works for both him and the team going forward and gives them a better chance of staying together.
The idea that Jaylen and JB are not a recipe for winning a title is just crazy to me, because they were like 5 minutes in game 4 of the 2022 NBA finals away from going up 3-1 and winning a title. They were some absolutely insanely bad shooting luck away from back-to-back finals trips this year. Those two together absolutely can win a title. My guess is the Celtics are going to do everything they can the next two years to try and win with those two, and if it doesn't work Jaylen gets traded in summer 25' the year before Celtics enter the repeater Tax and both Tatum and Browns extensions would be in effect.
But Tatum and Brown didn't win the title. All of this we were 5 minutes away from going up 3-1 stuff is all woulda coulda shoulda.
We didn't finish off game 4. And even if we did, there's no guarantee we would have won the series. We were facing a team with the greatest shooter of all time, a team with WAY more NBA finals experience than us - they were a group of players (and HC) that had already won 3 titles together.
We lost 3 games in a row to lose the series to GS. Just like we lost 3 games in a row this season to Miami. Those are facts.
No team in the last 22 years has won a title with 2 high usage (30% or higher), low assist (under 25%) guys on it. None, zilch, nada.
This season, JB was 66th in the league in BPM. He was 97th in Box Score RAPTOR, 76th in Overall RAPTOR, 181st in on/off RAPTOR.
In this year's playoffs, JB was 33rd in on/off RAPTOR, behind Tatum, Brogdon, Horford, Rob and Smart.
His best season ever, in 21-22 he was still only 29th in the league in Overall RAPTOR.
JB is probably not going to be the #2 best player on a championship team. He's definitely not worth a supermax $60 mil a year contract.
The_Ghost_of_JB wrote:Larry_Russell wrote:Dame and his agent and the media is really pushing the whole Dame to Miami thing.
Its **** anoying.
Part of me is starting to hope he goes there and after gutting the team for him and they fail bigtime.
Yeah his agent is doing a great job scaring off any teams. I think this is a bad look for the NBA honestly if he goes to Miami.
Celtics_Champs wrote:Yeaaaaaaa I’m gonna be honest, I liked the Smart trade at the time because I thought that was just the first of many deals.
Now knowing that could be it, I am not in love with the off-season for Brad.
Still time but we will see.
zoyathedestroya wrote:
Derrick White and Jayson Tatum are **** bargains. I guess that allows us to overpay JB lol.
