Magic waive F Bol Bol

[tooler]

Haha I remember some of those lowlights like they were yesterday. Good times.

[The-Stallion70]

Next year Magic players will be entering:
Fultz- 7th year
Wendell Carter- 6th year
M. Wagner- 6th year
Cole- 4th year
Suggs & Franz- 3rd year
Banchero- 2 year
Gary Harris -9th year
Isaac -7th year

pls don't give me this "young upcomming " BS excuses that roster is inexperienced.
Some of them are always hurt. But that has nothing to do with experience.


Memphis Grizzlies finished 2021-22 season ( year prior gangsta's pradise live- season ):
Ja Morant- 4th year
Desmond Bane 2th year
Brooks 5th year
Jackson 4th year

And won 56 games.

All this is nothing but creating nice cushion to fall onto excuses once Magic play yet another no-playoffs-season. And usual: injuries, age, too many rookie, experience etc excuse- cushions are already placed.

In reality, portion of fans just will defend every front office under any condition no matter how lazy or bad that front office is.


There is no excuses why Magic haven't traded one PG from cluster by now and there is no reason why they elected to not even attemp to be active during this offseason, when they had money. Instad, they Jeff- Greened- Mortiz Wagner and Joe Ingles.

For crying out loud, they couldn't even make decision on Bol, despite fact they had no roster space to keep him , like, literally, fans here figured it's impossible to not waive him at that point, but they didn't?

Joe "Great Shooting Form" Ingles is Orlando's difference maker!

Hey that's how they throw boomerangs down under!!

[RookieStar]

you know.. if you go to other teams forum, they have 5 pages long thread on whether to pick up bol2x or not...

[OrlandoSaban]

Can someone give me the synopsis why he was release? I thought orlando fans really liked him. The GB always talks about how good he is.

I loved him but I love making the playoffs consistently a lot more.

[RookieStar]

Can someone give me the synopsis why he was release? I thought orlando fans really liked him. The GB always talks about how good he is.

I loved him but I love making the playoffs consistently a lot more.

Agreed. We are through with our Globetrotters show. No gas left in the tank. Time to start winning.

[tiderulz]

you know.. if you go to other teams forum, they have 5 pages long thread on whether to pick up bol2x or not...

so its not just us that start threads to pick up Player X that was just released from whatever team

[RookieStar]

you know.. if you go to other teams forum, they have 5 pages long thread on whether to pick up bol2x or not...

so its not just us that start threads to pick up Player X that was just released from whatever team

Nope.. i remember those years when any scrub gets released we can expect our board to have a thread on said scrub and merits of signing him.

I mean some of those names were just...

[LiSTWithLani]

I know it's ridiculous, but do you think that he could play SG in a super long lineup on the Raptors? We could hide him defensively by playing zone next to Barnes, Anunoby, Siakam and Poeltl.

Obviously that won't happen, but I'd like to see him with small guys covering him and just shooting over the top.

[RookieStar]

I know it's ridiculous, but do you think that he could play SG in a super long lineup on the Raptors? We could hide him defensively by playing zone next to Barnes, Anunoby, Siakam and Poeltl.

Obviously that won't happen, but I'd like to see him with small guys covering him and just shooting over the top.

Nope. During our 5-20 tank run where we played one PG and 4 6'10 above dudes, we made Franz the SG. Opposing guard can just run around him on defense and swipe the ball away whrn he is on offense.

[fendilim]

I know it's ridiculous, but do you think that he could play SG in a super long lineup on the Raptors? We could hide him defensively by playing zone next to Barnes, Anunoby, Siakam and Poeltl.

Obviously that won't happen, but I'd like to see him with small guys covering him and just shooting over the top.

Really depends on the end goal. Win or lose?

[LiSTWithLani]

I know it's ridiculous, but do you think that he could play SG in a super long lineup on the Raptors? We could hide him defensively by playing zone next to Barnes, Anunoby, Siakam and Poeltl.

Obviously that won't happen, but I'd like to see him with small guys covering him and just shooting over the top.

Really depends on the end goal. Win or lose?

Yeah, that's fair and assuming where you're going with this... He might not be the right fit for a winning team at SG.

[Bensational]

Some "examples " here are flat out false

Denver Nuggets traded for "center of future" in Jusuf Nurkic on draft night in 2014.

They got Jokic in 2015.

After just one and half year of them both existing on same roster, Nuggets parted ways with Nurkic to get all the PT to Jokic. Definition of DECISION made.

Nurkic was a bench player averaging 17mpg his entire time in Denver. He had some games started when covering for injuries but he was a bench player with a small role. Jokic started 55 games his rookie season. But the Nuggets still kept Nurkic through that next offseason and the first half of 2016-17. Why didn’t they make a decisions in the offseason?

Second example same team.
2015 - 7th overall pick by Nuggets is Mudiay. He starts all but two games as rookie. He sucks.
2016- they draft new PG- Murray. Murray is 19 and only starts 10 games. But gets consistant 22 mpg and produces.
2017- Murray is full time starter. Mudiay is removed from starting lineup and traded . DECISION MADE.

By those timelines, they draft a player, let the player play a season, and then make a choice.

We just drafted Black. He can play this season, and then we’ll make decisions on Fultz and Cole. Same for Jett and Ingles.

You’re prematurely mad about this.

Third example, same team.

Jokic just finished 2 years in NBA. He is great but not allstar let alone superstar. Nuggets front office steps in and makes DECISION to get balls deep in free agency to make roster changes to help team reach next level.
They didn't bother with infamous "timelines" , they resign Mason Plumlee and get 33 years old Paul MIllsap on 3 years $90M contract.

They win 46 games. Miss playoffs but get taste of what playing for something means.


In year 4 of Jokic, he is allstar, they are 54 wins team and pass first round.

Again, that’s after this season (if we’re assuming Paolo is the Jokic equivalent). You’re premature.

I think we’re on this timeline and probably look to make our big veteran addition (through consolidation trade) next offseason - if it’s needed.

Now if that was Magic, according to fans, we would keep Nurkic and Jokic for 6 years. Resign Mudiay just to be sure he won't break out in year 8. Probably also resigned "on good contracts ,team friendly" Farried because he is "good guy".

Magic decisions are non existent, that's why i called front office spineless. They refuse to make anything that could be viewed as "bad " in retrospective so they do - nothing, 99% of time.

Whole job of front office isn't to win every trade but to build team. That requires making unpopular decisions and even make mistakes along the lines. Lining up 50% of roster to be free agents in 2024 ( and near 70% of roster by 2025) is crazy.

Then WeHam are doing their job because their decisions seem quite unpopular on this board, and their philosophy on how to rebuild and actually giving players time to develop with an extended evaluation window has some people here very upset. You’re mad at them before they’ve even had the chance to make the popular decisions.

WeHam have made decisions before, anyway. Like drafting Bamba, letting him play a season and then deciding to re-sign Vuc instead of handing the reigns straight to Bamba. They decided to give Bamba time to develop instead of prematurely moving on from him. Too much time? Maybe. Or maybe Bamba is just the kind of guy who still seems like he’s flirting with figuring it out and becoming a good player, so it’s hard to move on from him until they really see stasis in his progress.

[fendilim]

Some "examples " here are flat out false

Denver Nuggets traded for "center of future" in Jusuf Nurkic on draft night in 2014.

They got Jokic in 2015.

After just one and half year of them both existing on same roster, Nuggets parted ways with Nurkic to get all the PT to Jokic. Definition of DECISION made.

Nurkic was a bench player averaging 17mpg his entire time in Denver. He had some games started when covering for injuries but he was a bench player with a small role. Jokic started 55 games his rookie season. But the Nuggets still kept Nurkic through that next offseason and the first half of 2016-17. Why didn’t they make a decisions in the offseason?

Second example same team.
2015 - 7th overall pick by Nuggets is Mudiay. He starts all but two games as rookie. He sucks.
2016- they draft new PG- Murray. Murray is 19 and only starts 10 games. But gets consistant 22 mpg and produces.
2017- Murray is full time starter. Mudiay is removed from starting lineup and traded . DECISION MADE.

By those timelines, they draft a player, let the player play a season, and then make a choice.

We just drafted Black. He can play this season, and then we’ll make decisions on Fultz and Cole. Same for Jett and Ingles.

You’re prematurely mad about this.

Third example, same team.

Jokic just finished 2 years in NBA. He is great but not allstar let alone superstar. Nuggets front office steps in and makes DECISION to get balls deep in free agency to make roster changes to help team reach next level.
They didn't bother with infamous "timelines" , they resign Mason Plumlee and get 33 years old Paul MIllsap on 3 years $90M contract.

They win 46 games. Miss playoffs but get taste of what playing for something means.


In year 4 of Jokic, he is allstar, they are 54 wins team and pass first round.

Again, that’s after this season (if we’re assuming Paolo is the Jokic equivalent). You’re premature.

I think we’re on this timeline and probably look to make our big veteran addition (through consolidation trade) next offseason - if it’s needed.

Now if that was Magic, according to fans, we would keep Nurkic and Jokic for 6 years. Resign Mudiay just to be sure he won't break out in year 8. Probably also resigned "on good contracts ,team friendly" Farried because he is "good guy".

Magic decisions are non existent, that's why i called front office spineless. They refuse to make anything that could be viewed as "bad " in retrospective so they do - nothing, 99% of time.

Whole job of front office isn't to win every trade but to build team. That requires making unpopular decisions and even make mistakes along the lines. Lining up 50% of roster to be free agents in 2024 ( and near 70% of roster by 2025) is crazy.

Then WeHam are doing their job because their decisions seem quite unpopular on this board, and their philosophy on how to rebuild and actually giving players time to develop with an extended evaluation window has some people here very upset. You’re mad at them before they’ve even had the chance to make the popular decisions.

WeHam have made decisions before, anyway. Like drafting Bamba, letting him play a season and then deciding to re-sign Vuc instead of handing the reigns straight to Bamba. They decided to give Bamba time to develop instead of prematurely moving on from him. Too much time? Maybe. Or maybe Bamba is just the kind of guy who still seems like he’s flirting with figuring it out and becoming a good player, so it’s hard to move on from him until they really see stasis in his progress.

Hindsight is 20/20. You’ll never win such arguments haha should would could lol

What happens next is more important.

Fournier is now a bench player
Tross has no team
Bol hasnt been claimed off waivers.
Bamba is a minimum player

Did they really lose their value or they just never had value?

[best of luck]

Hope he finds a nice home.
Enjoyed some of the thrills along the way.
Felt he would have been part of a trade on draft day but understand the needs of the team now he just doesn’t fit.

[pepe1991]

Some "examples " here are flat out false

Denver Nuggets traded for "center of future" in Jusuf Nurkic on draft night in 2014.

They got Jokic in 2015.

After just one and half year of them both existing on same roster, Nuggets parted ways with Nurkic to get all the PT to Jokic. Definition of DECISION made.

Nurkic was a bench player averaging 17mpg his entire time in Denver. He had some games started when covering for injuries but he was a bench player with a small role. Jokic started 55 games his rookie season. But the Nuggets still kept Nurkic through that next offseason and the first half of 2016-17. Why didn’t they make a decisions in the offseason?

This is simply flat out false. Nurkić started, as rookie, off bench, until Denver traded Mozgov to Cavs.
On first night after trade, against us, Nurkic was promoted to starter. He went to start majority of games ( but in 7 games Denver started experimenting with 5- out starting 5, playing without center). Still, Nurkić finished last game of rookie year as- starter. That's why he has 27 starts in 65 games.

On may of 2015, in offseason, Nurkić tore his patellar tendon and didn't participate in SL, neither was ready for preseason nor season. Matter of fact his rehab made him miss first 34 Nuggets games.
After playing 20 games, he got hurt again.
By that point Nikola Jokic solidifies himself as starter, finishing 3 months in a row with 11-10-3 averages and being box score positive. (on some 59%- TS ). But it wasn't just Jokic who was Nurkic competition, besides injuries, it was also rookie Joffrey Lauvergne, who also had very good rookie year and also started 15 games.

In third year he started 29 out of 45 games and that's it. He got traded. I didn't call Nurkić "Praised rookie", their sports magazine Mile High Spors called him that in title named What is up with the Nuggets’ Jusuf Nurkic?

Second example same team.
2015 - 7th overall pick by Nuggets is Mudiay. He starts all but two games as rookie. He sucks.
2016- they draft new PG- Murray. Murray is 19 and only starts 10 games. But gets consistant 22 mpg and produces.
2017- Murray is full time starter. Mudiay is removed from starting lineup and traded . DECISION MADE.

By those timelines, they draft a player, let the player play a season, and then make a choice.

We just drafted Black. He can play this season, and then we’ll make decisions on Fultz and Cole. Same for Jett and Ingles.

You’re prematurely mad about this.

I'm not "mad", sports hardly ever can piss me off to be mad about stuff. Suggs, Cole and Fultz exist on same roster for 3 years without front office desire to move anybody. Now they added 4th player and still didn't do anythig.So it's not premmature since they already are year too late on "decision ".

Third example, same team.

Jokic just finished 2 years in NBA. He is great but not allstar let alone superstar. Nuggets front office steps in and makes DECISION to get balls deep in free agency to make roster changes to help team reach next level.
They didn't bother with infamous "timelines" , they resign Mason Plumlee and get 33 years old Paul MIllsap on 3 years $90M contract.

They win 46 games. Miss playoffs but get taste of what playing for something means.


In year 4 of Jokic, he is allstar, they are 54 wins team and pass first round.

Again, that’s after this season (if we’re assuming Paolo is the Jokic equivalent). You’re premature.

I think we’re on this timeline and probably look to make our big veteran addition (through consolidation trade) next offseason - if it’s needed.

Banchero is better rookie than Jokić, ofc , it's different given invesment

Now if that was Magic, according to fans, we would keep Nurkic and Jokic for 6 years. Resign Mudiay just to be sure he won't break out in year 8. Probably also resigned "on good contracts ,team friendly" Farried because he is "good guy".

Magic decisions are non existent, that's why i called front office spineless. They refuse to make anything that could be viewed as "bad " in retrospective so they do - nothing, 99% of time.

Whole job of front office isn't to win every trade but to build team. That requires making unpopular decisions and even make mistakes along the lines. Lining up 50% of roster to be free agents in 2024 ( and near 70% of roster by 2025) is crazy.

Then WeHam are doing their job because their decisions seem quite unpopular on this board, and their philosophy on how to rebuild and actually giving players time to develop with an extended evaluation window has some people here very upset. You’re mad at them before they’ve even had the chance to make the popular decisions.

WeHam have made decisions before, anyway. Like drafting Bamba, letting him play a season and then deciding to re-sign Vuc instead of handing the reigns straight to Bamba. They decided to give Bamba time to develop instead of prematurely moving on from him. Too much time? Maybe. Or maybe Bamba is just the kind of guy who still seems like he’s flirting with figuring it out and becoming a good player, so it’s hard to move on from him until they really see stasis in his progress.

All those decisions were mostly by stailing and not doing anything that could be viewed as unpopular. They drafted Bamba, resigned Vuc, it was clear for whole lenght of his rookie deal Bamba won't see floor for much, still they elected not to trade him and after few years his value went to zero. But they also resigned him just to be sure he is bum.

As far as "unpopular on forum " goes, real GM is place where people have critical minds. If you read reddit, that place will swallow their loads 24-7. That place just yestarday figured that Hammond hasn't passed first round of playoffs as GM in 15 years - day after he got demoted.

[eyriq]

All those decisions were mostly by stailing and not doing anything that could be viewed as unpopular. They drafted Bamba, resigned Vuc, it was clear for whole lenght of his rookie deal Bamba won't see floor for much, still they elected not to trade him and after few years his value went to zero. But they also resigned him just to be sure he is bum.

As far as "unpopular on forum " goes, real GM is place where people have critical minds. If you read reddit, that place will swallow their loads 24-7. That place just yestarday figured that Hammond hasn't passed first round of playoffs as GM in 15 years - day after he got demoted.

You are a great poster, I enjoy your thought process and am amazed at your ability to craft compelling arguments that have emotional power.

[Bensational]

I'm not "mad", sports hardly ever can piss me off to be mad about stuff. Suggs, Cole and Fultz exist on same roster for 3 years without front office desire to move anybody. Now they added 4th player and still didn't do anythig.So it's not premmature since they already are year too late on "decision ".

You mean like how Suggs was moved to SG because it became clear he didn’t look ready to handle PG duties any time soon?

[pepe1991]

I'm not "mad", sports hardly ever can piss me off to be mad about stuff. Suggs, Cole and Fultz exist on same roster for 3 years without front office desire to move anybody. Now they added 4th player and still didn't do anythig.So it's not premmature since they already are year too late on "decision ".

You mean like how Suggs was moved to SG because it became clear he didn’t look ready to handle PG duties any time soon?

Is that really solution and patience and development you are saying they are preaching and you are advertising? Draft player at PG, start him there for 48 games and casually decide, after one year, he ain't capable and move him on bench , on other position?

If i'm you i would be very pissy camper if somebody did that, and i belive in things ( i assume ) you belive.

To me it looks like not beliving in own previous judgments, not beliving in player, wasteful top 5 pick and just flat out bad investment that gets worst with progression of time.

And keeping Fultz, Cole and drafting yet another PG probably won't solve any of it. Rather opposite.

[zaymon]

I think pepe is totally wrong on front office running from unpopular decisions. This forum is regularly on fire becouse they made unpopular decisions.
They are not making short term moves 90% of people expect of them.
Trading second round picks is right move but unpopular. Even with trading so many picks we still must waive player. I argued here many times about this and even with very smart posters.
Drafting Bamba and then extending Vucevic was very unpopular. In the end second decision was accurate even if they blew the pick. They didnt went sunk cost fallacy route which almost everyone here wanted to do. Thats the reason we have half of our best young talent.
Drafting Black and Howard was very unpopular becouse for some reason people like Fultz and now its propably Black vs Fultz one year from now.

If all they do is making popular moves why are you pepe mad once a month about the move they made ?
Hammond in Milwaukee did the same. He made mistakes but he made moves even if they were not popular like drafting Thon Maker. I respect him for that.

[pepe1991]

I think pepe is totally wrong on front office running from unpopular decisions. This forum is regularly on fire becouse they made unpopular decisions.
They are not making short term moves 90% of people expect of them.
Trading second round picks is right move but unpopular. Even with trading so many picks we still must waive player. I argued here many times about this and even with very smart posters.
Drafting Bamba and then extending Vucevic was very unpopular. In the end second decision was accurate even if they blew the pick. They didnt went sunk cost fallacy route which almost everyone here wanted to do. Thats the reason we have half of our best young talent.
Drafting Black and Howard was very unpopular becouse for some reason people like Fultz and now its propably Black vs Fultz one year from now.

If all they do is making popular moves why are you pepe mad once a month about the move they made ?
Hammond in Milwaukee did the same. He made mistakes but he made moves even if they were not popular like drafting Thon Maker. I respect him for that.

Being on fire on forum really means nothing to them nor anybody. It's not even big platform.

There isn't much interest in team overall, for example Magic posts on facebook, that arent' Sotto posts, hardly ever pass 1500 likes, that includes Ws in regular season.

i don't have twitter so i can't see how many people follow it now ( due new twitter changes) but in past when I could,after games, it's mostly place filled with casual -hand-clapping-about-everything crowd.

Will fans boo them in arena? Nop.
Will fans be fisty and wear bags on their heads like 76ers fans during Hinkie era? Nop.
Did fans boo Hennigan? Nop.
Did fans boo Skiles , JV , Vogel or any coach ? Nop.
Mostly because fans in arena aren't really "fans", majority are tourists & familes with kids in search for good time. That's why Julius Randle gets his MVP chants on a road.


Just went on Magic instagram, and yep, Sotto is by FAR most liked picture in few years.
One of most liked posts are mostly Bol Bol posts : dontknow:

comments there are by default " Markelle MVP" type nonsense so that place is also pleagued with casuals ( you can find people on instagram argue is 4 steps , 3 times pivotal leg change -actually travel in basketball, and passionate fools to tell you it's eurostep).



And there isn't objective pressure from media. Magic hardly even have beatwriters nowdays, when Josh Robbins was here we would as fans at least get some insight in team. Since he left, there has been non. When Magic do press interviews, questions are mostly "isn't it delightful dream comes true experience be part of Orlando Magic? - " Yes. Next question" . it's soviet Russia under Stalin sort of journalism. Regime and censorship and controled "news". And it seems like new beatwriter is diehard Miami Heat fan...

Who's also there? Philip Rossman-Reich?


Only time Magic are even mentioned in big outlets it's mostly just when Zach Lowe writes his weekly observations and mentiones us.


So, in vacuum of forum you can make "unpopular move" ( i would argue there weren't many) but it still menas nothing when nobody will hard press you for such moves. Hennigan fired himself with scandal of whiteboard, not because of some pressure from media or fans. The Source, ESPN, NCBSports, , Fox sports, USA today picked up story and mocked Magic as franchise to oblivion. And that got him fired. Not Oladipo trade. Not Harris trade for nothing, not Hezonja, not Payton.