Early discussion on the 2023 offseason

[enetric]

the moratorium ending today will be a good clue as to what is going on and who (if any) teams are seriously engaged with existing trades, because if they are those trades wont get announced.

my money is sitll on the miami/portlant/okc/nets framework eventually pulling through. those teams have a bunch of pieces already interconnected, and can fill various needs for each other.

i think i saw a heat beat writer saying so far miami has only offered portland 2 FRPs, but if OKC gets looped in and the nets send them something (dfs or royce) to unlock a 3rd heat pick, and the nets contribute the philly pick to get herro, all of a sudden portland has 4 picks, expirings, and probably 1 or 2 useful young players.

portland would be smart to seize this moment to prioritize a rational deal they would take from miami. i dont think dragging this out is going to benefit them with lillard focused on 1 place and hope for reconciliation. the nets had at least some minor hope of reconciling with KD, and it almost worked until Kyrie asked out. Had he not done that they may have gotten to the finals this year. 0 chance of that happening in portland.

How can Miami unlock more picks? Don't they have 4 picks in a row at their disposal only 2 tradeable due to the Stepian rule?

[enetric]

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Yeah but you can trade a TE in a multi team deal as long as you don't add in more salary, no? And since the Nets are allowed to match at the lower rate with that whole 1 year transition thing...can't they still trade Harris as a TE? Or is the problem that Miami Portland can't take back more from Miami with an already completed trade TE?

[Paradise]

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Yeah but you can trade a TE in a multi team deal as long as you don't add in more salary, no? And since the Nets are allowed to match at the lower rate with that whole 1 year transition thing...can't they still trade Harris as a TE? Or is the problem that Miami Portland can't take back more from Miami with an already completed trade TE?

We could combine Edmond Sumner’s 2.8 million contract with the $18M from Detroit OR the TPE from Phoenix for $19M to absorb Herro and Royce or Finney Smith to get Caleb Martin back.

[TheNetsFan]

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Yeah but you can trade a TE in a multi team deal as long as you don't add in more salary, no? And since the Nets are allowed to match at the lower rate with that whole 1 year transition thing...can't they still trade Harris as a TE? Or is the problem that Miami Portland can't take back more from Miami with an already completed trade TE?

We could combine Edmond Sumner’s 2.8 million contract with the $18M from Detroit OR the TPE from Phoenix for $19M to absorb Herro and Royce or Finney Smith to get Caleb Martin back.

You cannot use salary matching rules and cannot aggregate player salaries with a TPE. You can only bring back a player making less than the TPE.

[Netaman]

the moratorium ending today will be a good clue as to what is going on and who (if any) teams are seriously engaged with existing trades, because if they are those trades wont get announced.

my money is sitll on the miami/portlant/okc/nets framework eventually pulling through. those teams have a bunch of pieces already interconnected, and can fill various needs for each other.

i think i saw a heat beat writer saying so far miami has only offered portland 2 FRPs, but if OKC gets looped in and the nets send them something (dfs or royce) to unlock a 3rd heat pick, and the nets contribute the philly pick to get herro, all of a sudden portland has 4 picks, expirings, and probably 1 or 2 useful young players.

portland would be smart to seize this moment to prioritize a rational deal they would take from miami. i dont think dragging this out is going to benefit them with lillard focused on 1 place and hope for reconciliation. the nets had at least some minor hope of reconciling with KD, and it almost worked until Kyrie asked out. Had he not done that they may have gotten to the finals this year. 0 chance of that happening in portland.

How can Miami unlock more picks? Don't they have 4 picks in a row at their disposal only 2 tradeable due to the Stepian rule?

Miami owns their 2024, 2026, 2028, 2030 - but they can't trade the 2024 and 2026 because OKC owns their 2025.

if they can get their 2025 back from OKC, they can then trade 2024, 2026, 2028, 2030 to portland and check off the 4 unprotected picks phoenix gave us for KD. That would be trading 3 picks since the 2025 pick returning would offset 1 of the 4 going out the door to Portland.

the question is what might OKC want in return for that 2025 lotto protected pick? Caleb Martin or DFS could be that thing.

[Netaman]

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Yeah but you can trade a TE in a multi team deal as long as you don't add in more salary, no? And since the Nets are allowed to match at the lower rate with that whole 1 year transition thing...can't they still trade Harris as a TE? Or is the problem that Miami Portland can't take back more from Miami with an already completed trade TE?

i think there's no 125% buffer on TE's so the TE would have to be = or > to the contract coming back so i think the nets would have to send out salary because there's no TPE as big as herro's $27m.

DFS + Royce is enough to match Herro though since we under the lux tax, so if the nets get roped into a heat/portland deal, i think this is functionally the swap the nets would make agreeing to take on basically $70m extra owed to Herro long term. DFS/Royce would be converted into picks with 4th/5th teams that then go to Portland (and miami saves $ in the exchange so they can take back lillard and maybe nurkic with him). if the nets really want herro they could add in the philly 2027 pick to portland, which would be another asset they are contributing that helps miami get lillard and incentivizes them to send herro to the nets.

[Netaman]

believe this means to get herro nets would have to trade simmons or dinwiddie to avoid getting hard capped (and cant just trade DFS/Royce as I suggested in the post before this):

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[TheNetsFan]

believe this means to get herro nets would have to trade simmons or dinwiddie to avoid getting hard capped (and cant just trade DFS/Royce as I suggested in the post before this):

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We're hard capping ourselves to duck the tax in order to start to reset the repeater.

[Netaman]

believe this means to get herro nets would have to trade simmons or dinwiddie to avoid getting hard capped (and cant just trade DFS/Royce as I suggested in the post before this):

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We're hard capping ourselves to duck the tax in order to start to reset the repeater.

we wont reset the repeater tax until next year though right? it's 3 out of 4 years. So even if they get out of it this year unless they plan to not spend more next year avoiding repeater tax is probably unlikely. they can just avoid paying luxury tax altogether this year because it's a waste of money (and that's a good point re getting hard capped, they may not be opposed to it in the first place).

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[JKiddy]

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Yeah but you can trade a TE in a multi team deal as long as you don't add in more salary, no? And since the Nets are allowed to match at the lower rate with that whole 1 year transition thing...can't they still trade Harris as a TE? Or is the problem that Miami Portland can't take back more from Miami with an already completed trade TE?

It's great to see you around enetric. I made my return recently after everything that has happened over here the last few months. I think we are about to make some type of trade next week (or end of the month).

I think we are building something. We are now going to see what it should have been where we have a better version of the 2018-19 guys and instead of going for two stars plus an old fart or three, I think we are going to build with youth and bring in one star that makes sense on and off the court come 2024/25.

[JoseRizal]

With the Hawks extending Murray to a reasonable contract, I'll keep an eye on him. If available, is a better player than Herro and would instantly upgrade our PG and create a team of versatile, 2-way, lengthy defenders.

[Paradise]

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Yeah but you can trade a TE in a multi team deal as long as you don't add in more salary, no? And since the Nets are allowed to match at the lower rate with that whole 1 year transition thing...can't they still trade Harris as a TE? Or is the problem that Miami Portland can't take back more from Miami with an already completed trade TE?

It's great to see you around enetric. I made my return recently after everything that has happened over here the last few months. I think we are about to make some type of trade next week (or end of the month).

I think we are building something. We are now going to see what it should have been where we have a better version of the 2018-19 guys and instead of going for two stars plus an old fart or three, I think we are going to build with youth and bring in one star that makes sense on and off the court come 2024/25.

The target is 2025 just by looking at Cam making $20M that year. That affords us more cap room for the 2025 class with Ingram, Murray available.

[Netaman]

With the Hawks extending Murray to a reasonable contract, I'll keep an eye on him. If available, is a better player than Herro and would instantly upgrade our PG and create a team of versatile, 2-way, lengthy defenders.

i doubt they signed him to trade him, im more interested in what it means for trae.

[Netaman]

so if the rumors out of miami are true and they are only offering 2 frps, plus they already signed jaquez, at what point does portland circle to brooklyn and say give an offer with 3 frps and either miami will have to pay up more or you get him if you can get mikal to convince him to get excited about brooklyn?

we can do 3 FRPs (i also added clowney in here) in our sleep while giving them all expiring deals with dinwiddie being one of them and probably having trade value. if they want to offload nurkic with lillard we could do that if they took simmons instead of dinwiddie. or that could be a separate deal into the KD TE. this trade also keeps nets with 10% salary matching so i dont think they get hardcapped, which is important bc with lillard i think they spend into the lux tax if nec.



not much left in FA (christian wood?) but they could also use the KD trade exception for something (like Nurkic). Royce/Walker are your 6th man options or 5th starters if Simmons flakes. and you'd still have the Harris 19.9m TPE and picks to deal.

Lillard / DSJ
Simmons / Walker / Whitehead
Bridges / Royce / Wilson
Cam J / UFA and/or KD TE
Claxton / Sharpe

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[Hello Brooklyn]

If Sean Marks gives up anything more than one first rounder to get Herro then he should be fired.

Why not just trade for Dame at that point?

Tired of this BS. Just run the team back and look for the next big star.

WTF is so great about Herro? Hes an overpaid bench scorer. A glorified Dangelo Russell.

There is no way I am giving up Phoenix or Dallas picks for him. No chance!!!!

[haosmoove]

If Sean Marks gives up anything more than one first rounder to get Herro then he should be fired.

Why not just trade for Dame at that point?

Tired of this BS. Just run the team back and look for the next big star.

WTF is so great about Herro? Hes an overpaid bench scorer. A glorified Dangelo Russell.

There is no way I am giving up Phoenix or Dallas picks for him. No chance!!!!

Herro is 23 years old and he can still improve his game. If we are trading for him, we are not only paying for the player that he is now, but also for the player he may become. I am sure this is what the Heat had in mind too when he was offered 4/$120M

[CalamityX12]

What comparison people have Herro to be hus ceiling?

I've been against the addition due to cost from the start.

It's not like we had KD n need Herro to compliment

[JKiddy]

If Sean Marks gives up anything more than one first rounder to get Herro then he should be fired.

Why not just trade for Dame at that point?

Tired of this BS. Just run the team back and look for the next big star.

WTF is so great about Herro? Hes an overpaid bench scorer. A glorified Dangelo Russell.

There is no way I am giving up Phoenix or Dallas picks for him. No chance!!!!

[Hello Brooklyn]

If Sean Marks gives up anything more than one first rounder to get Herro then he should be fired.

Why not just trade for Dame at that point?

Tired of this BS. Just run the team back and look for the next big star.

WTF is so great about Herro? Hes an overpaid bench scorer. A glorified Dangelo Russell.

There is no way I am giving up Phoenix or Dallas picks for him. No chance!!!!

Herro is 23 years old and he can still improve his game. If we are trading for him, we are not only paying for the player that he is now, but also for the player he may become. I am sure this is what the Heat had in mind too when he was offered 4/$120M

Herro and Bridges is simply not a Championship cote.

Sure he can get better. Do I ever see him being a top 10 guy? No shot.

Hes not worth what they would ask for.