Trade/Free Agency Thread, part Ocho, 2023-24

[return2glory]

Loser mentality.

Actually the opposite. He is making $50 million a year and calling the shots.

Zero titles. Waste of talent.

It's not about titles when you're not a top 25 or top 50 player of all time, which he isn't. It's about $SSSSSS and lots of it. Title is icing on the cake. And he can go to the Heat and have a better chance at a title than come to Boston. Let's not forget a little over a month ago, the 8th seeded Heat almost swept us.

[JJtheBricklayer]

Dame would be exciting, no doubt but he is 33 (if we got him I would of course like it short term, but long term I'd rather we lock up our salary on guys in their 20s). I kinda feel signing Brown to the max is gonna be the play, and then trying to find another high paid player next year who fits better with Tatum.

[return2glory]

I don't think it will be that hard to replace these numbers 5.1ppg 2.2rbg 1.1apg .45%threes at 17mpg
Which is what can't will gave you plus constantly yakking and getting beat often between brissett,Hauser,pp,or even walsh or banton I think one or two of those guys could do it.

You do know that grant was our best giannis, embiid, jokic defender right?

You can look at raw stats all you want...doesnt change that grant had a role that is not that easily replaced.

There is a reason a lot of teams wanted him

Oh please, lol. Al was better defensively vs all of those guys. Especially Embiid - in the playoffs this year, the way Al defended Embiid was literally the best I've ever seen anyone defend him. Meanwhile, Embiid scored at will on Grant, like he wasn't even there (in reg season and in the playoffs.

There was that 1 game in Denver a couple years ago where Grant did a good job of defending Jokic (Tristan Thompson and Time Lord were also effective defending Jokic during that 2nd half run we made that game) but since that game, Grant has been underwhelming defensively vs Jokic.

Grant was our best defender against Giannis and Jokic. Grant underwhelming vs Jokic? He was one of the best at guarding him. He could body him and he could step out to the 3 point line against Jokic. Bam, who is one of the top defenders at the center spot was underwhelming against Jokic in the entire finals, where Jokic averaged 30, 14 and 7 in the Finals.

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[CelticsPride18]

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The top 7 is loaded with talent. Just manage the minutes even if we sacrifice a little bit in the standings for good health in the playoffs

[BK_2020]

You do know that grant was our best giannis, embiid, jokic defender right?

You can look at raw stats all you want...doesnt change that grant had a role that is not that easily replaced.

There is a reason a lot of teams wanted him

Oh please, lol. Al was better defensively vs all of those guys. Especially Embiid - in the playoffs this year, the way Al defended Embiid was literally the best I've ever seen anyone defend him. Meanwhile, Embiid scored at will on Grant, like he wasn't even there (in reg season and in the playoffs.

There was that 1 game in Denver a couple years ago where Grant did a good job of defending Jokic (Tristan Thompson and Time Lord were also effective defending Jokic during that 2nd half run we made that game) but since that game, Grant has been underwhelming defensively vs Jokic.

Grant was our best defender against Giannis and Jokic. Grant underwhelming vs Jokic? He was one of the best at guarding him. He could body him and he could step out to the 3 point line against Jokic. Bam, who is one of the top defenders at the center spot was underwhelming against Jokic in the entire finals, where Jokic averaged 30, 14 and 7 in the Finals.

Grant sucked against Jokic in nearly all the games we played against him. The one game where Jokic did poorly was like couple years ago and it wasn't Grant doing the work, it was Rob and Al while Grant just stood there.

[BK_2020]

Now that Wemby's embroiled in the Britney Spears assault scandal, maybe the Spurs will trade him to us for wholesome articulate presidential candidate Jaylen Brown.

[canman1971]

Grant is so overrated by some it’s mind blowing.

[Triple7]

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The top 7 is loaded with talent. Just manage the minutes even if we sacrifice a little bit in the standings for good health in the playoffs

If Joe play the team right, our guys would be resting, coasting in the 4th if we have a good lead. Us blowing leads and losing to sub par teams, are the main culprit our guys getting less rest and high mileage. A top 3 seed would be ideal. and good health going in the playoffs should be top priority.

[Tyakack]

Grant is so overrated by some it’s mind blowing.

He was a solid player that I would have preferred to keep...But he disappeared far too often for my liking.

[zoyathedestroya]

Home court advantage means nothing to this team. Prioritize health. Use your 9th-12th guys (I doubt Joe does).

[CelticFaninLBC]

Actually the opposite. He is making $50 million a year and calling the shots.

Zero titles. Waste of talent.

It's not about titles when you're not a top 25 or top 50 player of all time, which he isn't. It's about $SSSSSS and lots of it. Title is icing on the cake. And he can go to the Heat and have a better chance at a title than come to Boston. Let's not forget a little over a month ago, the 8th seeded Heat almost swept us.

The Heat have a crap offer so he may be stuck in Portland.

[CelticFaninLBC]

Grant is so overrated by some it’s mind blowing.

Most Valuable 8th Man!

[Triple7]

You do know that grant was our best giannis, embiid, jokic defender right?

You can look at raw stats all you want...doesnt change that grant had a role that is not that easily replaced.

There is a reason a lot of teams wanted him

Oh please, lol. Al was better defensively vs all of those guys. Especially Embiid - in the playoffs this year, the way Al defended Embiid was literally the best I've ever seen anyone defend him. Meanwhile, Embiid scored at will on Grant, like he wasn't even there (in reg season and in the playoffs.

There was that 1 game in Denver a couple years ago where Grant did a good job of defending Jokic (Tristan Thompson and Time Lord were also effective defending Jokic during that 2nd half run we made that game) but since that game, Grant has been underwhelming defensively vs Jokic.

Grant was our best defender against Giannis and Jokic. Grant underwhelming vs Jokic? He was one of the best at guarding him. He could body him and he could step out to the 3 point line against Jokic. Bam, who is one of the top defenders at the center spot was underwhelming against Jokic in the entire finals, where Jokic averaged 30, 14 and 7 in the Finals.

Grant ‘imma make both free throws’ Williams can’t even guard Butler in the post on consecutive possessions. Nobody can guard Jokic, and Grant has no chance at all. Zero! He is short, slow and unathletic. Glad somebody else paid him that money.

[Triple7]

Grant is so overrated by some it’s mind blowing.

He was a solid player that I would have preferred to keep...But he disappeared far too often for my liking.

For 6M per year? Yeah sure. Not a buck over that.

[canman1971]

Grant is so overrated by some it’s mind blowing.

Most Valuable 8th Man!

In his mind. He’s somewhere between good and how good he thinks he is.

[Celts17Pride]

The internet is a wonderful place. Someone posted this today as a potential trade.

CELTICS GET
MIKE CONLEY

GRIZZLIES GET
MALCOLM BROGDON
2024 SECOND-ROUND PICK
2030 SECOND-ROUND PICK

Someone should let this guy know that Mike Conley plays for the Minnesota TWolves

[snowman]

So, let me see if I got this right. Our guaranteed contracts are:
White, Brown, Tatum, RW3, Porzingis
Brogdon, Banton, Hauser, Horford, Kornet
Pritchard, Walsh, Brissette

That's 13 guaranteed roster spots. We have 2 guaranteed spots and 3 2-way spots still open.
To fill them, we have 1 FA non-guaranteed contract in Champagnie and 1 FA 2-way in JD Davison that are looking for some kind of contract.
Then we have our summer league team all looking to make the team. In looking at our roster, I feel that we need one more PG and one more true big, (not a SF that plays like a big). Davison could either be the 14th roster spot or bring him back as a 2-way. I think he needs to be the 14th roster spot. I would like to see us get a big man in the 15th roster spot, with the TPE, or at least part of it, and then another big man as one of the 3 2-ways.

[hugepatsfan]

How many minutes do we think we could get from each of our top 7, assuming good health, come playoff time? 240 total minutes to allocate out. How many of those can they take?

Tatum - 40 (same as last year)
Brown - 38 (same as last year)
White - 34 (up from 30 last year to match what Smart played)
Porzingis - 32 (in line with career average and his limited playoff games)
Brogdon - 26 (was at 25 last year, but that was with checking out of same games early to drag total down a bit)
Horford - 24 (he played 31 last year but have to thik his body will give out at some point, this might even be a stretch?)
Rob - 26 (21 last year but have to hope that maybe he can scale up a bit if healthier)

That's a combined 220 minutes. So if everyone is healthy to play that much, still looking at about 20 minutes left for someone to play. That's not nothing. But even if Grant were brought back, that might have been somewhat tough positionally. He's another PF/C. There are only 96 minutes to play at those spots, and above has Porzingis/Horford/Rob taking 82 of them. So having Grant as the 8th man would have been positionally tough to take all 20, though he could have gotten a chunk. And for him to take that means no Tatum at the 4 which might be our preferred closing lineup, so could be an issue.

It's not the end of the world, but we are going to need one of Hauser, Brissett or Pritchard to be someone we can trust in the playoffs. We really need another wing or guard who can give us reliable minutes night in and night out. I like Hauser best, but he's going to need to continue improving to meet this standard.

And I know the response will be well what if we have injury problems. Then honestly, like BK said, that sucks for us. You can only build so much depth. Having playoff rotation worthy guys backing up a full playoff rotation isn't practical. It'd be nice, but you can only protect so much against injury.

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