2023 Free Agency

[TimberKat]

Dejuante didn't even get $30m per year, I still see
Jaden as $20-$25m.

Yes, that is what I am thinking too. May event be lower. For reference: Marcus Smart is at 19.9; Anunoby at 19.9; Mikal Bridges at 23.3; Brooks at 20; Reaves at 14; Draymond at 25. I hope Wolves also do something creative to help the cap situation. Will be interesting to see what the final number looks like.

[Baseline81]

NBASupes on Hawksquawk.net has posted the following on a Towns trade:

Bey, JJ, a couple of 1sts, and cap relief seem to be what Minnesota is aiming for.

There aren't many teams on the market for KAT. Don't like the contract. Not willing to give up many assets. Dallas is interested in giving up assets. Just not any, anywhere near as attractive as the Hawks.

This could go down later tonight or tomorrow.

Note he posted about Murray's extension an hour or so prior to Shams' tweet.

[Klomp]

NBASupes on Hawksquawk.net has posted the following on a Towns trade:

Bey, JJ, a couple of 1sts, and cap relief seem to be what Minnesota is aiming for.

There aren't many teams on the market for KAT. Don't like the contract. Not willing to give up many assets. Dallas is interested in giving up assets. Just not any, anywhere near as attractive as the Hawks.

This could go down later tonight or tomorrow.

Note he posted about Murray's extension an hour or so prior to Shams' tweet.

Even if I did believe a rumor like this, it's not a legal trade because Atlanta doesn't have cap space.

[TimberKat]

NBASupes on Hawksquawk.net has posted the following on a Towns trade:

Bey, JJ, a couple of 1sts, and cap relief seem to be what Minnesota is aiming for.

There aren't many teams on the market for KAT. Don't like the contract. Not willing to give up many assets. Dallas is interested in giving up assets. Just not any, anywhere near as attractive as the Hawks.

This could go down later tonight or tomorrow.

Note he posted about Murray's extension an hour or so prior to Shams' tweet.

Even if I did believe a rumor like this, it's not a legal trade because Atlanta doesn't have cap space.

I think the poster forgot to include Murray Is today 4/1?

[Klomp]

I think the poster forgot to include Murray Is today 4/1?

I guess I don't know the new rules for sure, but I don't think Murray can be dealt for a while now (and they said our goal was cap relief....which tells me there weren't any added parts.

[Baseline81]

Even if I did believe a rumor like this, it's not a legal trade because Atlanta doesn't have cap space.

Sorry, I left out there being a third team. Was just posting what was coming to Minnesota.

I have no idea if it's true, merely passing along what I see.

[Klomp]

Even if I did believe a rumor like this, it's not a legal trade because Atlanta doesn't have cap space.

Sorry, I left out there being a third team. Was just posting what was coming to Minnesota.

OK that would make a little more sense I guess.

I've always liked Bey's shot, and the Hawks board has been penciling in Jalen Johnson as the starting PF after the Collins trade.

[Neeva]

Bey is horrendous defensively, worse than DLO.

[younggunsmn]

Dejuante didn't even get $30m per year, I still see
Jaden as $20-$25m.

Murray basically got the max of what they could extend him for under the new rules.
140% of the final year of his existing contract. (previously was 120%, which were the circumstances we were under the summer Butler asked to be traded).

I agree that's a lot less than I though he would get.
That's going to be a very attractive contract unless his play falls way off.

[KGdaBom]

Dejuante didn't even get $30m per year, I still see
Jaden as $20-$25m.

Murray basically got the max of what they could extend him for under the new rules.
140% of the final year of his existing contract. (previously was 120%, which were the circumstances we were under the summer Butler asked to be traded).

I agree that's a lot less than I though he would get.
That's going to be a very attractive contract unless his play falls way off.

Murray plus sweeteners is one of the few KAT trade ideas I wouldn't hate.

[BlacJacMac]

Dejuante didn't even get $30m per year, I still see
Jaden as $20-$25m.

Murray basically got the max of what they could extend him for under the new rules.
140% of the final year of his existing contract. (previously was 120%, which were the circumstances we were under the summer Butler asked to be traded).

I agree that's a lot less than I though he would get.
That's going to be a very attractive contract unless his play falls way off.

Sounds to me like "I've already missed a full year of my career due to injury and that's a lot of money..."

[Norseman79]

After watching Kai Jones posterize Wemby, I still think we could use a young, Uber athletic legit sized 5. Not a high need, but always fun.

[Threezus]

Even if I did believe a rumor like this, it's not a legal trade because Atlanta doesn't have cap space.

Sorry, I left out there being a third team. Was just posting what was coming to Minnesota.

OK that would make a little more sense I guess.

I've always liked Bey's shot, and the Hawks board has been penciling in Jalen Johnson as the starting PF after the Collins trade.

The 3rd part of that trade is Hawks also moving Capela to the Mavs and Wolves getting back some of those pieces. Something like Josh green and 1 more thing.

Wolves didn't end up to bad overall it was like JJ, Bey, Green, 1 more minor asset from dallas + Sac 1st and a later Hawks 1st possibly.

Although with the Mills trade now that could be something the Wolves wanted we could be sliding into the trade as well who knows. Seems to have some legs to it as a few people have picked it up now and a Mavs media guy was talking about the green + and capela swap as well that was supposed to help out in value to minny in the trade.

In the end it could all be nothing but seems to have some legs behind it though and would make sense for both teams in general to try and get something done.

[cmoss84]

Food for thought...Bey and Green are FA after this year, while JJ will be in 2 years.

[TimberKat]

Sorry, I left out there being a third team. Was just posting what was coming to Minnesota.

OK that would make a little more sense I guess.

I've always liked Bey's shot, and the Hawks board has been penciling in Jalen Johnson as the starting PF after the Collins trade.

The 3rd part of that trade is Hawks also moving Capela to the Mavs and Wolves getting back some of those pieces. Something like Josh green and 1 more thing.

Wolves didn't end up to bad overall it was like JJ, Bey, Green, 1 more minor asset from dallas + Sac 1st and a later Hawks 1st possibly.

Although with the Mills trade now that could be something the Wolves wanted we could be sliding into the trade as well who knows. Seems to have some legs to it as a few people have picked it up now and a Mavs media guy was talking about the green + and capela swap as well that was supposed to help out in value to minny in the trade.

In the end it could all be nothing but seems to have some legs behind it though and would make sense for both teams in general to try and get something done.

I never watched JJ but have you guys seen his stats? We can pull the trade mid season or next summer because it's not going to getting any worse. If Hawks can operate with essentially 3 max contracts, why can't Wolves? So, don't bet your house on this trade.

[SO_MONEY]

OK that would make a little more sense I guess.

I've always liked Bey's shot, and the Hawks board has been penciling in Jalen Johnson as the starting PF after the Collins trade.

The 3rd part of that trade is Hawks also moving Capela to the Mavs and Wolves getting back some of those pieces. Something like Josh green and 1 more thing.

Wolves didn't end up to bad overall it was like JJ, Bey, Green, 1 more minor asset from dallas + Sac 1st and a later Hawks 1st possibly.

Although with the Mills trade now that could be something the Wolves wanted we could be sliding into the trade as well who knows. Seems to have some legs to it as a few people have picked it up now and a Mavs media guy was talking about the green + and capela swap as well that was supposed to help out in value to minny in the trade.

In the end it could all be nothing but seems to have some legs behind it though and would make sense for both teams in general to try and get something done.

I never watched JJ but have you guys seen his stats? We can pull the trade mid season or next summer because it's not going to getting any worse. If Hawks can operate with essentially 3 max contracts, why can't Wolves? So, don't bet your house on this trade.

I haven't seen him play but Hawks fans are high on him. Not sure if there is anything to it? Guess he could play himself out of a trade? I think Having KAT, Rudy, Naz, Edwards and McDaniels probably offers more problems than where the Hawks stand or would stand.

[Threezus]

OK that would make a little more sense I guess.

I've always liked Bey's shot, and the Hawks board has been penciling in Jalen Johnson as the starting PF after the Collins trade.

The 3rd part of that trade is Hawks also moving Capela to the Mavs and Wolves getting back some of those pieces. Something like Josh green and 1 more thing.

Wolves didn't end up to bad overall it was like JJ, Bey, Green, 1 more minor asset from dallas + Sac 1st and a later Hawks 1st possibly.

Although with the Mills trade now that could be something the Wolves wanted we could be sliding into the trade as well who knows. Seems to have some legs to it as a few people have picked it up now and a Mavs media guy was talking about the green + and capela swap as well that was supposed to help out in value to minny in the trade.

In the end it could all be nothing but seems to have some legs behind it though and would make sense for both teams in general to try and get something done.

I never watched JJ but have you guys seen his stats? We can pull the trade mid season or next summer because it's not going to getting any worse. If Hawks can operate with essentially 3 max contracts, why can't Wolves? So, don't bet your house on this trade.

Yeah we have watched him play theirs a reason he is one of the main guys we don't wanted traded Stats don't say everything my friend he has probably shown the most upside of most of our young guys on the team when you get to watch him on the court.

This doesn't show all of it but it shows a bit of his skill set he has and what upside he shows quite often when he does get a chance to play. He has some very nice moves and IQ for a player his size and he needs some more playing time to let it flourish. It's one of the main reasons we were ok letting Collins go and wanting to pair JJ with Onyeka if we can't get a star Center or PF instead. A real highlight of his game that doesn't get shown or talked about alot is his very good passing for a big man as well.

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Also as far as the 3 big contracts i don't think it would be a issue for the Wolves having 3 big contracts if 2 of them weren't for the same position and didn't really mesh well with each other. It would sorta be like us pairing Towns with Capela i don't see that working out to well. Which is why Capela has to go in any trade we do for a player like Kat. Plus yall gave good money to another 3rd big thats making solid money as well now who is a good player in Naz. If Rudy was on a different team and yall had a different position player making that same amount of money i don't think yall would have a issue at all paying 3 big contracts.

[jpatrick]

I could see a deadline move with a team like the Hawks for a couple young players, picks, and expiring type salary filler. But zero chance that deal happens now. Connelly and company have hitched their wagon to seeing if this is going to work. And last year with KAT coming into the year without an offseason and then getting hurt for most of the year, we didn’t see it. Hopefully Rudy/KAT can stay health for the first 40 games, so we get a good look. I have my doubts, but I’m willing to give it a chance.

[younggunsmn]

I'm still dumbfounded how a young rebuilding team like Houston gave a poisionous player like Dillon Brooks who can't shoot and is one of the worst possible guys you could add to your locker room 4 years at 20 mil+, and sent out a whole bunch of 2nd round picks in the process of creating that ridiculous 5 team sign and trade.

I get the Van Vleet signing, even if that is a horrible horrible overpay, they had to get to the salary floor anyway.

Although the smart front offices in OKC and SA were able to do that by taking on short term contracts for assets without blocking their young players' playing time.

It's always interesting to watch the smart GMs each year to see what they do. OKC, SA, TOR, BRK (besides trading for Harden and then taking Ben Simmons back). Sometimes Miami, and Utah has made some really savvy moves too.

[younggunsmn]

I could see a deadline move with a team like the Hawks for a couple young players, picks, and expiring type salary filler. But zero chance that deal happens now. Connelly and company have hitched their wagon to seeing if this is going to work. And last year with KAT coming into the year without an offseason and then getting hurt for most of the year, we didn’t see it. Hopefully Rudy/KAT can stay health for the first 40 games, so we get a good look. I have my doubts, but I’m willing to give it a chance.

If both teams struggle this year the way they did last year, I think something around a KAT for Murray framework makes sense for both teams eventually with Murray extended for 4 more years.
It's just a question of how poisionous the Hawks feel that supermax contract is.

The difference in 2024 salaries between the two would be enough for us to avoid the luxury tax completely, barring a major free agent signing or Ant qualifying for the supermax.