Trade/Free Agency Thread, part Ocho, 2023-24

[hugepatsfan]

We have 13 guaranteed contracts at this point, with 2 roster spots and 3 2-way spots to fill. I would like JD to fill the 14th roster spot. However, with our only big men bring Porzingis, RW3, Horford and Kornet (I know we have SF's that can play a role there in small ball, but I'm talking about for multiple games in case one of our top 3 going down for any length of time. Here is a list of big men that I could find. I'm sure there are others, and I'm sure some these guys may not still be available. Please add or delete as you see fit. Anyway, out of this list who would like for the 15th roster spot and who you like for a 2-way spot. (Sorry but too many to do a poll) I believe all of these guys are unrestricted free agents, except Isaiah Mobley (RFA was on 2-way) I think we could get any of them with a minimum offer.

Blake Griffin
Azubuike from our SL team
Balcerowski from our SL team
Valerio Bodon from our SL team (I know he is a forward, but is a solid 6'9, so I'm including him)
Cauley-Stein
Moses Brown
Bol Bol
Isaiah Mobley from Clevland
Dewayne Dedmon
Yurtseven from Miami

I would like to see, depending on summer league performances, Balcerowski as the 15th roster spot. I heard that he will not except a 2-way spot because of the money he would lose but maybe he would except a regular roster spot. Valerio-Bodon and Yurtseven on 2-way contracts would be great. We could still have another PG in the 3rd 2-way spot. This of course is moot, if we move Brogdon or Pritchard, or sign another wing.

All 3 of Porzingis/Horford/Rob would have to be out before I’d ever want any of those guys to play.

White / Banton
Brown / Pritchard
Hauser
Tatum / Brisset
(Whichever one of the top 3 bigs is healthy) / Kornet

I’d run that 9 man rotation before I played any of those guys tbh.

Starting hauser?
Benching brogdon?

Oops, just forgot Brogdon. Since we were talking about guys out injured I subconsciously included him lol.

But yeah, in that scenario I would start Hauser to keep Brogdon with the bench. That’s what they did last year with him, 0 starts.

[zoyathedestroya]

If Dame is headed to Miami, grab ECF MVP Caleb Martin in the process. Pritchard, Kornet, two 2nds for Martin. Grab best FA 3rd string PG and C available.

White | Brown | Tatum | Porzingis | Timelord
Brogdon | Martin | Hauser | Brissett | Horford

Noticed you've recently come over to the KP/Timelord side of the argument.

I was going to pose the question on what folks think will happen with Pritchard. He's in the last year of his rookie deal, that another factor that makes me want to deal him.

I'm still on the fence on who to start between Horford vs. Timelord. But if we're really changing the way we play and moving off what we've been doing in the past, then just go with potential and higher ceiling. Can always go back to Horford as starter if it doesn't work.

[hickfromfrenchlick]

Yeah, Team Lillard is bluffing. But if not Dame, what other big and gettable player might be an option here post the Smart/Porzi move? Trae? KAT?

I hate this crap.

I have such little respect for guys who try to force their way to "cool" cities.

If you don't want to play with Jayson Tatum and Kristaps Porzingis, as a POINT GUARD, then I have to question your love for the game and will to win. You want to go chase skirts on South Beach or the Sunset Strip, have fun.

[Larry_Russell]

If Dame is headed to Miami, grab ECF MVP Caleb Martin in the process. Pritchard, Kornet, two 2nds for Martin. Grab best FA 3rd string PG and C available.

White | Brown | Tatum | Porzingis | Timelord
Brogdon | Martin | Hauser | Brissett | Horford

Noticed you've recently come over to the KP/Timelord side of the argument.

I was going to pose the question on what folks think will happen with Pritchard. He's in the last year of his rookie deal, that another factor that makes me want to deal him.

Lets look at the facts here

1) Like you stated, last year of contract
2) Brad talking him up claiming how super talented he is
3) Signed Banton


Kid is getting traded.


I still feel like Joe is going to play KP at Center...


I personally feel like, as other have posted, the lineup SHOULD be
White/Brown/Tatum/Porzingas/Timelord

But based on the following I dont think it will be
1) Original plan was to trade Brogdon and keep smart (would have been a starter)
2) only front court target signed, rumor, anything mentioned about the front court was Brisset.
3) Based on out playoff rotations, Rob williams started only 4 games and that was cause Horford was sucking bad

Playoff rotation was
Smart
White
Brown
Tatum
Horford

This all leads me to believe that this years rotation will be

Brogdon (improves offensivly over smart allowing less opportunity for teams to double up on Tatum and crowd him)
White - same role
Brown - Same role
Tatum - same role
Porzingas - Improvement offensively over Horford. Horford is good, but he collapsed in playoffs. Need another guy who can go for 20+ points in a game

This give 3 guys who can go for 30 or 40 any game and 2 guys who can go for over 20 any game in the starting lineup.


It is far more offense, but I dont hate the lineup.

[darrendaye]

Larry_Russell, personally I felt Joe struggled trying to work with the small heavy roster Brad gave him and that's why he abandoned the 2 big philosophy. Timelord out for much of 1st half of season also played a factor, imo.

[Larry_Russell]

What about Pritchard for Keon Johnson?

Portland gets a "hometown" guy
we save a few million and add a scorer off the bench at the depleted SG spot.


Rotation looks like this

Brogdon/Banton/Davidson
White/Johnson/vet min
Brown/Walsh/Hauser
Tatum/Horford/Brisset
Porzingas/Timelord/Kornet

Use a vet min on a depth piece at SG (Javonte Green or Terrence Davis)

Then just sit on the TE and TPMLE for possible buyouts or later deals that can jump in.

Keeps us below the apron.


You can have:
Banton and Davidson fight for minutes at backup PG
Keon and the Vet Min fight for minutes at backup sg
Walsh and Hauser fight for minutes at backup sf

Creates internal competition which should keep guys hungry and working. I actually like the idea of that happening.

[Larry_Russell]

Larry_Russell, personally I felt Joe struggled trying to work with the small heavy roster Brad gave him and that's why he abandoned the 2 big philosophy. Timelord out for much of 1st half of season also played a factor, imo.

Absolutely, the timelord thing hurt.
Also Al Aging hurt as well.

But the roster really wasnt much different that what Ime had.

Player that lapped over both rosters (Ime and Joe)
Smart, Brown, Tatum, Al, Timelord, Grant, Hauser, Kornet, Pritchard, White

Joe just doesnt like it

Grant even lost all his playing time.

Playoffs 2021-22
Grant - 27.3 minutes per game
Horford - 35.4
Rob Will - 23.2
Theis - 12.5
Kornet - 2.1
100.5 minutes

Playoffs 2022-23
Horford - 30.9
Rob - 20.9
Grant - 17.7
Griffin - 6
Kornet - 4
Muscala - 3.5
Total - 83 minutes


Horford, Rob WIlliams and Grant all played less minutes and they were the top 3 in the bigman rotation.

Joe wants more threes nad seldom uses a double big lineup, just inst his jam.

[hugepatsfan]

What about Pritchard for Keon Johnson?

Portland gets a "hometown" guy
we save a few million and add a scorer off the bench at the depleted SG spot.


Rotation looks like this

Brogdon/Banton/Davidson
White/Johnson/vet min
Brown/Walsh/Hauser
Tatum/Horford/Brisset
Porzingas/Timelord/Kornet

Use a vet min on a depth piece at SG (Javonte Green or Terrence Davis)

Then just sit on the TE and TPMLE for possible buyouts or later deals that can jump in.

Keeps us below the apron.


You can have:
Banton and Davidson fight for minutes at backup PG
Keon and the Vet Min fight for minutes at backup sg
Walsh and Hauser fight for minutes at backup sf

Creates internal competition which should keep guys hungry and working. I actually like the idea of that happening.

POR is refusing to take Herro because they already have so many guards. They want Sharpe at SG and then they have Scoot at PG and Simons off the bench. Hometown kid or not, unlikely they’d have any minutes for Pritchard. Unlikely he’s someone they’d want, IMO.

[Curmudgeon]

Murray and Bogdanovic for Brown and Brogden, the Celtics two Atlanta natives.

[Larry_Russell]

What about Pritchard for Keon Johnson?

Portland gets a "hometown" guy
we save a few million and add a scorer off the bench at the depleted SG spot.


Rotation looks like this

Brogdon/Banton/Davidson
White/Johnson/vet min
Brown/Walsh/Hauser
Tatum/Horford/Brisset
Porzingas/Timelord/Kornet

Use a vet min on a depth piece at SG (Javonte Green or Terrence Davis)

Then just sit on the TE and TPMLE for possible buyouts or later deals that can jump in.

Keeps us below the apron.


You can have:
Banton and Davidson fight for minutes at backup PG
Keon and the Vet Min fight for minutes at backup sg
Walsh and Hauser fight for minutes at backup sf

Creates internal competition which should keep guys hungry and working. I actually like the idea of that happening.

POR is refusing to take Herro because they already have so many guards. They want Sharpe at SG and then they have Scoot at PG and Simons off the bench. Hometown kid or not, unlikely they’d have any minutes for Pritchard. Unlikely he’s someone they’d want, IMO.

I think they would look like this

Scoot/Pritchard
Sharpe/Simons
Thybulle/Little
Grant
Nurkic

(although I still feel like Sharpe at sf makes the most sense, but what do I know).


I assume they trade Simon with Nurkic at some point.

[Mr_Mojo_Risin]

Murray and Bogdanovic for Brown and Brogden, the Celtics two Atlanta natives.

Seriously? Downgrade at both positions? I’d hope they’re passing back Hunter or Okongwu at least.

[Curmudgeon]

Murray and Bogdanovic for Brown and Brogden, the Celtics two Atlanta natives.

Seriously? Downgrade at both positions? I’d hope they’re passing back Hunter or Okongwu at least.

Murray isn't a downgrade and Brown is addition by subtraction. So Atlanta throws in a sweetner. I wouldn't mind.

[zoyathedestroya]

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[snowman]

I want the Celts to go back to the two big lineups. That seemed to be when they played the best defense. I'm not to concerned over the offense now that we have Porzingis in the mix. I think Porzingis should play center and not Rob or big Al. Porzingis gives up better lost post play, better at breaking the zone, and can then drag the other teams center out of the middle. Rob should be the starting power forward. Yes, he is a lob threat, but so is Porzingis. Rob may be the better defender against three-point shooters, due to his leaping ability. Also, if the opposing players fakes Rob and drives to the hoop, he's driving into a 7'3 shot blocker. Rob may be the best big we have at switching defense, because of his overall quickness on the ball. I start Porzingis at center, Rob at power Forward and bring Horford off the bench, subbing in for Rob at power forward, to play against opposing teams 2nd teams, and it would help with his minutes. I also give Kornet more minutes this season, playing behind Porzingis. Kornet will learn a lot by playing the same spot as another seven foot plus center. Having this rotation, with the sizes matching up like they do, will mean that play calling can be similar for the whole front court. The rest of the team can get used to having the same size players in the same positioning.

Porzingis starter with 30 minutes, Kornet off the bench with 18 minutes
RW3 starter with 24 minutes, Al off the bench with 24 minutes

Would be nice to have one more seven-footer to play around 5-10 minutes, to bring Porzingis's minutes down a bit and to have someone to play during blowouts. Brissette can play power forward during blowouts.

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Some players do not want to deal with the pressures of this market, they just are not built for it. Dame is likely one of those dudes.

[Mr_Mojo_Risin]

Murray and Bogdanovic for Brown and Brogden, the Celtics two Atlanta natives.

Seriously? Downgrade at both positions? I’d hope they’re passing back Hunter or Okongwu at least.

Murray isn't a downgrade and Brown is addition by subtraction. So Atlanta throws in a sweetner. I wouldn't mind.

Murray is a big downgrade from Brown and Bogdonavic is from Brogdon. Brown frustrates the crap out of me but he’s still a very good player. I think if you watched Murray and Bogdonavic as many games as you watched our guys you’d regret this trade big time.

[darrendaye]

I want the Celts to go back to the two big lineups. That seemed to be when they played the best defense. I'm not to concerned over the offense now that we have Porzingis in the mix. I think Porzingis should play center and not Rob or big Al. Porzingis gives up better lost post play, better at breaking the zone, and can then drag the other teams center out of the middle. Rob should be the starting power forward. Yes, he is a lob threat, but so is Porzingis. Rob may be the better defender against three-point shooters, due to his leaping ability. Also, if the opposing players fakes Rob and drives to the hoop, he's driving into a 7'3 shot blocker. Rob may be the best big we have at switching defense, because of his overall quickness on the ball. I start Porzingis at center, Rob at power Forward and bring Horford off the bench, subbing in for Rob at power forward, to play against opposing teams 2nd teams, and it would help with his minutes. I also give Kornet more minutes this season, playing behind Porzingis. Kornet will learn a lot by playing the same spot as another seven foot plus center. Having this rotation, with the sizes matching up like they do, will mean that play calling can be similar for the whole front court. The rest of the team can get used to having the same size players in the same positioning.

Porzingis starter with 30 minutes, Kornet off the bench with 18 minutes
RW3 starter with 24 minutes, Al off the bench with 24 minutes

Would be nice to have one more seven-footer to play around 5-10 minutes, to bring Porzingis's minutes down a bit and to have someone to play during blowouts. Brissette can play power forward during blowouts.

Agree with many of the points here. Also, expect at least 40-50 combined missed games for KP/RW/AH and why I keep pounding the table for a Rob-lite big man, whose name I'm trying not to mention, to be added.

[zoyathedestroya]

Team above went to the ECF. Our depth will be fine (with the right coach).

[bigfoot_cryptozoology]

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Every summer it feels like at least one star player yearns for a new home. More stars could desire a relocation by the February trade deadline.

From this vantage point, it’s important that the Celtics make the most of what could be the only swing they get during the prime of Tatum’s career. If the Celtics could entice the Blazers with a package that doesn’t include Jaylen Brown, it’s undeniably intriguing to think of a team that features Tatum, Brown, Porzingis, and Lillard.

But is that the best long-term play? What happens if a younger star shakes free further down the road?