Who got the better of the Beckett-Hanley trade?

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Who got the better of the Beckett-Hanley trade? 

Post#1 » by litex » Mon Oct 22, 2007 2:20 pm

Two years in. The Red Sox got a true ace who just pitched them into the world series and an all-star gold glove 3rd baseman who lead the team in rbis. Florida got arguably the best young talent in the game, plus Anibal Sanchez who if he recovers okay from surgery and works on his control, has ace potential.

Which side did better?
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Post#2 » by TheSheriff » Mon Oct 22, 2007 2:42 pm

It was a win-win.

The Red Sox knew what they were trading in Hanley, a great young five tool player. However they also knew guys like Beckett (true aces) are nearly impossible to get via free agency, and that Curt Schilling wasn't a spring chicken anymore. So they got a guy who was a young proven big game pitcher, who will replace Schilling as the staff ace.


The Marlins were either going to lose Beckett to free agency or be forced to trade him. So they traded him for a top infield prospect who started paying dividends right away.
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Post#3 » by JohnnyK » Mon Oct 22, 2007 3:35 pm

TheSheriff wrote:It was a win-win.

Talent-wise, the Sox win. But given the circumstances, it filled needs for both teams, so I agree with the win-win assessment.
The Red Sox knew what they were trading in Hanley, a great young five tool player.

As good as Hanley is with the bat, he is not a five-tool prospect. His defense is Jeter-esque, and he is destined for a move to the outfield sooner rather than later.
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Post#4 » by VinnyTheMick » Mon Oct 22, 2007 4:18 pm

win-win.
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Post#5 » by WEFFPIM » Mon Oct 22, 2007 4:26 pm

Yeah, you can't really pick a clear winner
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Post#6 » by HMFFL » Mon Oct 22, 2007 4:32 pm

It's not like Florida is serious about being a contender.

The Sox get my vote!
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Post#7 » by HCYanks » Mon Oct 22, 2007 6:31 pm

HMFFL wrote:It's not like Florida is serious about being a contender.

The Sox get my vote!


So their two World Series wins were entirely by accident?
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Post#8 » by TheSheriff » Mon Oct 22, 2007 6:44 pm

JohnnyK wrote:-= original quote snipped =-


As good as Hanley is with the bat, he is not a five-tool prospect. His defense is Jeter-esque, and he is destined for a move to the outfield sooner rather than later.


That is true. There was much speculation in Boston, prior to the trade, that Han-Ram would take over in center when Damon left.
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Post#9 » by Da Schwab » Mon Oct 22, 2007 7:51 pm

JohnnyK wrote:As good as Hanley is with the bat, he is not a five-tool prospect. His defense is Jeter-esque, and he is destined for a move to the outfield sooner rather than later.



That statement is completely wrong, and I wish to inform you that Hanley is only 23 years old.


But, its a win-win, all-in-all.
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Post#10 » by WEFFPIM » Mon Oct 22, 2007 7:58 pm

HMFFL wrote:It's not like Florida is serious about being a contender.

The Sox get my vote!


It's not like when Florida made this deal they were serious about being an instant contender. What they gave up in a great pitcher and veteran third baseman they gained in an above average, young starting pitcher and quite possibly the best young shortstop in the game today. Boston reaped the early benefits, but Florida will be rewarded later.
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Post#11 » by GYBE » Mon Oct 22, 2007 8:23 pm

Boston will be paying Beckett $9.5 million next season. That's a bargain for the prices of starting pitching these days, but consider that Sanchez and Ramirez are cost-controlled for the next few years and haven't hit arbitration yet. This may be Lowell's last year with Boston, and if it's not they'll have to give him a pretty nice contract.

I think both teams are happy with the deal, but I'd rather have Sanchez and Ramirez making less than a million combined for the next few seasons than have the Beckett and Lowell duo.

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Post#12 » by The Rondo Show » Mon Oct 22, 2007 9:42 pm

gunnabdaschwab09 wrote:-= original quote snipped =-




That statement is completely wrong, and I wish to inform you that Hanley is only 23 years old.


But, its a win-win, all-in-all.
It's really not wrong. His D is very, very poor and he really should be moved to center (we'll see if he ever is). That said, he does everything else so incredibly that it really doesn't matter that he's a weak defensive shortstop. He's a phenominal player and could be the best player in baseball really soon.

As for Sanchez, we'll see. I liked him a lot more as a prospect before I actually saw him pitch in the big leagues. His stuff isn't as overpowering as some of the reports I saw made it out to be and he hasn't been able to strike out batters in the big leagues. Add in the fact that he just underwent a major shoulder surgery and I'm nowhere near as high on him as I was when I was following him in the minors. I don't see the ace potential the original poster does, but only time will tell.

I think it was a win-win trade as the Marlins had to trade Lowell and Beckett since they were looking to cut payroll and they picked up an absolute stud in Hanley and a good pitching prospect in Sanchez.

For the Red Sox end, it's a no brainer to me. Hanley might help more in the regular season than an ace like Beckett, but there's no way in hell he does in the playoffs where Beckett can pretty much single-handedly give your team 2 wins in a series like he did vs. the Indians (and did in '03). Lowell was a good 3B last year and was the 2nd best every day player on the Red Sox this year, too. They'll either bring him back and get a few more productive years out of him or get picks to re-stock the farm. This trade very well could lead to a World Series win that they most certainly not get without Josh Beckett so I can't see too many, if any Red Sox fans looking to take this trade back.
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Post#13 » by HMFFL » Tue Oct 23, 2007 2:27 am

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So their two World Series wins were entirely by accident?


I didn't know Hanley was part of that!

The two titles continue to provide the organization with zero loyalty due to the lack of respect for the ownership.


willeatfire4playoffsinmil wrote:-= original quote snipped =-


It's not like when Florida made this deal they were serious about being an instant contender. What they gave up in a great pitcher and veteran third baseman they gained in an above average, young starting pitcher and quite possibly the best young shortstop in the game today. Boston reaped the early benefits, but Florida will be rewarded later.


They'll continue to move key pieces while the youth excels. It's going to be a winless battle at this point and I feel for the Marlin fans.
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Post#14 » by JohnnyK » Tue Oct 23, 2007 9:32 pm

gunnabdaschwab09 wrote:-= original quote snipped =-
That statement is completely wrong, and I wish to inform you that Hanley is only 23 years old.


You might wanna look up what five-tool means.

Hanley is a great player, but he is not and never was a five-tool prospect.

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