Sixers Offseason Thread Part 3

[FireMorey]

If one of these fake insiders are going to get respect they need to start posting terms of deals. This vague nonsense with no specifics is stuff anyone can guess. People are addicted to NBA rumors and random accounts eat it up. Even that dropping dimes account has yet to post any specifics to any deals. It's not hard to guess which teams are going to sign which players if you follow the top insider accounts.

The day the Bucks hired Adrian Griffin I texted my friend that I bet the Bucks hire someone other than Nurse soon. Later that day they hired Griffin.

The day the Sixers hired Nurse, I texted my friend that Memorial Day feels like Nick Nurse day. I just had a gut feeling it was gonna happen that day. It happened later.

If I posted that on social media, people would have considered me an insider, when really it was just educated guesses and gut feelings based on reading the tea leaves.

If you don't have years, money, or trade specifics(exactly who's coming and going) then I don't have time for ya as an anonymous insider.

You're basically wanting Daryl to be your insider then. i don't think the sources are leaking the terms. They would out their source lol. It's probably like 2-3 people who know those things.

Then there's no way of knowing they're legit. The whole point is if someone is to get respect and to be trusted they need to prove they're legit. I get that it's hard to get that info, but that's not our problem as consumers.

[eyeatoma]

Also, the guy I've been linking said in the thread of one of the tweets that they were looking at around 3/30 for Reed. Woj said 3/23, that's pretty close. He also called Utah.

[eyeatoma]

If one of these fake insiders are going to get respect they need to start posting terms of deals. This vague nonsense with no specifics is stuff anyone can guess. People are addicted to NBA rumors and random accounts eat it up. Even that dropping dimes account has yet to post any specifics to any deals. It's not hard to guess which teams are going to sign which players if you follow the top insider accounts.

The day the Bucks hired Adrian Griffin I texted my friend that I bet the Bucks hire someone other than Nurse soon. Later that day they hired Griffin.

The day the Sixers hired Nurse, I texted my friend that Memorial Day feels like Nick Nurse day. I just had a gut feeling it was gonna happen that day. It happened later.

If I posted that on social media, people would have considered me an insider, when really it was just educated guesses and gut feelings based on reading the tea leaves.

If you don't have years, money, or trade specifics(exactly who's coming and going) then I don't have time for ya as an anonymous insider.

You're basically wanting Daryl to be your insider then. i don't think the sources are leaking the terms. They would out their source lol. It's probably like 2-3 people who know those things.

Then there's no way of knowing they're legit. The whole point is if someone is to get respect and to be trusted they need to prove they're legit. I get that it's hard to get that info, but that's not our problem as consumers.

Why does that bother you then lol, so what if theyr'e not legit, they are seemingly getting it right, and it's fun to discuss. I don't think he's looking to get respect, he has literally said, that he's a fan, who konws someone. That's it.

[FireMorey]

You're basically wanting Daryl to be your insider then. i don't think the sources are leaking the terms. They would out their source lol. It's probably like 2-3 people who know those things.

Then there's no way of knowing they're legit. The whole point is if someone is to get respect and to be trusted they need to prove they're legit. I get that it's hard to get that info, but that's not our problem as consumers.

Why does that bother you then lol, so what if theyr'e not legit, they are seemingly getting it right, and it's fun to discuss. I don't think he's looking to get respect, he has literally said, that he's a fan, who konws someone. That's it.

You can post whatever you want, I'm just warning people not to trust strangers who are unproven based on vague info.

[Arsenal]

Ainge did us a favor. Reed's contract will look very valuable by next summer.

Assuming we match of course.

[Murray_17]

Also, the guy I've been linking said in the thread of one of the tweets that they were looking at around 3/30 for Reed. Woj said 3/23, that's pretty close. He also called Utah.

That's not pretty close, that's 2.5 more per year.

If that's what they expected they should have match like 3 hours ago

[Murray_17]

Double post, but i would like to add:

If the idea is really to "punt the year" then you should match too... Why? the Knicks and the Cavs are likely getting better, we can easily get bent in the first round next season, thus Reed's money becomes unguaranteed.

If anything, this signals to me, Harris is tired of competing and is demanding to stay below the tax.

[sixers hoops]

That's a bargain contract for Basketball. I was fearing much worse.

The only reason not to INSTAMATCH is to hang that annoying punk Danny Ainge out to dry until the last possible second.

Next year's cap room is not an issue since the contract will be easy to move if needed.

Therefore, there is no excuse not to match, besides the CHEAPNESS of the little rat that owns the team.

Yep. I get avoiding the 2nd apron because it affects more than money, but to avoid the luxury tax is dumb. He just purchased an NFL franchise. He’ll be okay.

[sixers hoops]

I don’t really blame Silver for all this nonsense. Players haven’t been given any additional power by the league they’ve taken it by force. They have a strong union & individual stars have a lot of power because of their importance on the court & economic importance off of it.

I definitely think there are long-term costs to players employing this strategy. But preventing these types of trade request is a really difficult collective action problem to solve.

He is the commissioner they took it by force from. Agents are calling teams who are not even holding contracts of one of their players and threatening them not to pursue their client’s services. It is the commissioners job to insure an agent is abiding by the NBA standard of conduct to remain a certified NBA agent. The NBA has a system in place to determine the order of draft picks in an attempt to create parity; however, agents are allowed to call teams and attempt to intimidate them from drafting their client. Lillard is more than welcome to holdout, yet his agent is permitted to bully teams from trading for his client.

If a player wants to control the exact team he wants to go to, his agent can recommend that he doesn’t sign an extension, he can holdout, or he can negotiate a no-trade clause. However, Dame signed an extension because he wants ALL the money. James opted in because he wanted that $35 million. Their agents recommended they extend contracts with these teams, then the commissioner thinks it is a professional practice for these same agents to randomly call all of the front office executives in an attempt to warn them against acquiring their player. Doesn’t sound like he is insuring that agents abide by any professional standard of conduct to maintain the integrity of the league.

[Black Mage]

Danny Ainge still **** with us lol.

If we plan to play him at the 4 in addition to the 5, you match this.

You match it regardless. Under 10 mil for a guy who could develop further now that Doc is gone is still good value and is still a very tradable contract.

[Jailblazers7]

I don’t really blame Silver for all this nonsense. Players haven’t been given any additional power by the league they’ve taken it by force. They have a strong union & individual stars have a lot of power because of their importance on the court & economic importance off of it.

I definitely think there are long-term costs to players employing this strategy. But preventing these types of trade request is a really difficult collective action problem to solve.

He is the commissioner they took it by force from. Agents are calling teams who are not even holding contracts of one of their players and threatening them not to pursue their client’s services. It is the commissioners job to insure an agent is abiding by the NBA standard of conduct to remain a certified NBA agent. The NBA has a system in place to determine the order of draft picks in an attempt to create parity; however, agents are allowed to call teams and attempt to intimidate them from drafting their client. Lillard is more than welcome to holdout, yet his agent is permitted to bully teams from trading for his client.

If a player wants to control the exact team he wants to go to, his agent can recommend that he doesn’t sign an extension, he can holdout, or he can negotiate a no-trade clause. However, Dame signed an extension because he wants ALL the money. James opted in because he wanted that $35 million. Their agents recommended they extend contracts with these teams, then the commissioner thinks it is a professional practice for these same agents to randomly call all of the front office executives in an attempt to warn them against acquiring their player. Doesn’t sound like he is insuring that agents abide by any professional standard of conduct to maintain the integrity of the league.

So he’s going to ban Rich Paul & every other powerful agent in the league for working the phones on behalf of their client? He’s gonna open up the league to lawsuits from CAA, Klutch, and every other agency? Piss off Lebron & all the players with relationships with these agents?

There’s just no good recourse to an agent calling up a team and saying “hey, you can trade for Dame but he doesn’t really want to be in XYZ city & that could impact the team.” The fact is that superstars are hundred millionaires who are absolutely essential to the on court product. They have real power whether we like it or not & they are now wielding that power to their personal advantage.

Portland offered him that contract with a full understanding that this situation was a possibility & so did Dame. It sucks for the fans but this is just the nature of the business.

[Black Mage]

Adam Silver is a mess. After Dame takes a two year extension, he wants to force his way to one team. Harden opts-in and tries to force his way to one team.

Goodwin saying he wants Portland to have meaningful talks with Miami is funny. Translation: We want our way because Dame is getting really mad so we want you to take whatever Miami offers so Dame can stop being mad.

On draft night, Rich Paul is calling teams telling them not to draft his client. Goodwin is calling teams telling them not to trade for his client. Adam Silver has left this league with no integrity, and helps funnel players to destination teams by allowing this nonsense. If players want to go to a specific team, don’t sign an extension or opt-in. If I’m Portland, I’m not trading him to Miami under any circumstance. Miami created this situation that is causing them to get nothing in return, if Portland caves-in to that strategy, they deserve the slop they get back.

Cant blame Portland if they get told by Silver behind doors to trade Dame to Miami or else. Honestly, I think Silver is ok with it as long as the benefiting markets are the ones that make the league money.

You haven't heard $h*t from Silver about OKC tanking for 2+ years or sitting healthy guys. Why? B/c the OKC market means nothing compared to Philly market.

[Slacktard]

If they want Embiid healthy in the playoffs his backup should be playing 16-18 mpg in reserve, plus start 10-12 games a year.

If they want Embiid healthy for the playoffs he should not play his first game until after the all-star break. Just do it Sixers. Embiid's best three months are usually Dec/Jan/Feb. Sit him until the all-star break and April/May/June are his new Dec/Jan/Feb.

[spikeslovechild]

I don’t really blame Silver for all this nonsense. Players haven’t been given any additional power by the league they’ve taken it by force. They have a strong union & individual stars have a lot of power because of their importance on the court & economic importance off of it.

I definitely think there are long-term costs to players employing this strategy. But preventing these types of trade request is a really difficult collective action problem to solve.

He is the commissioner they took it by force from. Agents are calling teams who are not even holding contracts of one of their players and threatening them not to pursue their client’s services. It is the commissioners job to insure an agent is abiding by the NBA standard of conduct to remain a certified NBA agent. The NBA has a system in place to determine the order of draft picks in an attempt to create parity; however, agents are allowed to call teams and attempt to intimidate them from drafting their client. Lillard is more than welcome to holdout, yet his agent is permitted to bully teams from trading for his client.

If a player wants to control the exact team he wants to go to, his agent can recommend that he doesn’t sign an extension, he can holdout, or he can negotiate a no-trade clause. However, Dame signed an extension because he wants ALL the money. James opted in because he wanted that $35 million. Their agents recommended they extend contracts with these teams, then the commissioner thinks it is a professional practice for these same agents to randomly call all of the front office executives in an attempt to warn them against acquiring their player. Doesn’t sound like he is insuring that agents abide by any professional standard of conduct to maintain the integrity of the league.

So he’s going to ban Rich Paul & every other powerful agent in the league for working the phones on behalf of their client? He’s gonna open up the league to lawsuits from CAA, Klutch, and every other agency? Piss off Lebron & all the players with relationships with these agents?

There’s just no good recourse to an agent calling up a team and saying “hey, you can trade for Dame but he doesn’t really want to be in XYZ city & that could impact the team.” The fact is that superstars are hundred millionaires who are absolutely essential to the on-court product. They have real power whether we like it or not & they are now wielding that power to their personal advantage.

Portland offered him that contract with a full understanding that this situation was a possibility & so did Dame. It sucks for the fans but this is just the nature of the business.

I am going to be the minority here but honestly, I don't care about pissing off Lebron - that is the whole problem of this league they are so worried about the feelings of players rather than the business of the NBA.

The NFL has a hundred millionaires too. They don't demand trades to certain teams. Why? Because their commissioner actually has a spine and players know if they tried that stunt their GM would say no and fine their ass til they saw blood if they refused to play

What Ben Simmons did was a joke. What Lillard is doing is a joke. At some point, it's incumbent on owners to protect their INVESTMENTS and PRODUCT. Fans shouldn't be more outraged than they are. You ask how do you stop it as the Blazers GM you just say no, you say no I am not going to trade you just because you asked for it, no I am not going to just talk to Miami. I'll shop you around and if there is a deal I like I'll take it. Oh wait your agent is calling teams? Sorry we are not trading you. Sit out? Go ahead we will fine you your salary. All it takes is one GM to say no to this lunacy like Morey did with Simmons and you put the fear of god into these players maybe next time they ask to be traded they instead give a list but here is the problem it's unfair to ask a GM to do this ALONE. He needs the support of Silver. The rest of the NBA GM's. The owners.

So instead it becomes diminished is better than nothing. Heat makes the trade. Portland gets pennies on the dollar. Another line gets crossed and even more power gets given to the players. Local fans get screwed. Not only losing their superstar but also getting nothing to rebuild with. The thing is this isn't working anymore if you setup a system where local fanship doesn't matter your local fans wont show up to games or buy merchandise. It's just pure stupidity. Essentially everything is in the basket of tv ratings.

[Slacktard]

Danny Ainge still **** with us lol.

If we plan to play him at the 4 in addition to the 5, you match this.

You match it regardless. Under 10 mil for a guy who could develop further now that Doc is gone is still good value and is still a very tradable contract.

Realistically Reed should have been getting 18-20 a night and had he been he probably would have been in the 8-10 PPG, 7 Rebound, 1.5ish blocks per game range. Which would have easily gotten a team to offer a contract probably higher than this.

[Jailblazers7]

He is the commissioner they took it by force from. Agents are calling teams who are not even holding contracts of one of their players and threatening them not to pursue their client’s services. It is the commissioners job to insure an agent is abiding by the NBA standard of conduct to remain a certified NBA agent. The NBA has a system in place to determine the order of draft picks in an attempt to create parity; however, agents are allowed to call teams and attempt to intimidate them from drafting their client. Lillard is more than welcome to holdout, yet his agent is permitted to bully teams from trading for his client.

If a player wants to control the exact team he wants to go to, his agent can recommend that he doesn’t sign an extension, he can holdout, or he can negotiate a no-trade clause. However, Dame signed an extension because he wants ALL the money. James opted in because he wanted that $35 million. Their agents recommended they extend contracts with these teams, then the commissioner thinks it is a professional practice for these same agents to randomly call all of the front office executives in an attempt to warn them against acquiring their player. Doesn’t sound like he is insuring that agents abide by any professional standard of conduct to maintain the integrity of the league.

So he’s going to ban Rich Paul & every other powerful agent in the league for working the phones on behalf of their client? He’s gonna open up the league to lawsuits from CAA, Klutch, and every other agency? Piss off Lebron & all the players with relationships with these agents?

There’s just no good recourse to an agent calling up a team and saying “hey, you can trade for Dame but he doesn’t really want to be in XYZ city & that could impact the team.” The fact is that superstars are hundred millionaires who are absolutely essential to the on-court product. They have real power whether we like it or not & they are now wielding that power to their personal advantage.

Portland offered him that contract with a full understanding that this situation was a possibility & so did Dame. It sucks for the fans but this is just the nature of the business.

I am going to be the minority here but honestly, I don't care about pissing off Lebron - that is the whole problem of this league they are so worried about the feelings of players rather than the business of the NBA.

The NFL has a hundred millionaires too. They don't demand trades to certain teams. Why? Because their commissioner actually has a spine and players know if they tried that stunt their GM would say no and fine their ass til they saw blood if they refused to play

What Ben Simmons did was a joke. What Lillard is doing is a joke. At some point, it's incumbent on owners to protect their INVESTMENTS and PRODUCT. Fans shouldn't be more outraged than they are.

I don’t care about pissing off Lebron. But the owners do, Nike does, etc. You nailed it tho the owners are gonna have to be the ones to put their foot down & stop letting players do this. The Sixers are the only ones who have told a player to shove it with Simmons but that was unique because Ben was damaged goods.

I am ok with blaming Silver for a lot of things but ultimately he works for the owners. And the owners haven’t drummed up the courage to fight the players on this so it will continue. Green Bay just went through a ton of drama with Aaron Rodgers but they held firm for years & only traded him whenever it was advantageous for them.

[spikeslovechild]

So he’s going to ban Rich Paul & every other powerful agent in the league for working the phones on behalf of their client? He’s gonna open up the league to lawsuits from CAA, Klutch, and every other agency? Piss off Lebron & all the players with relationships with these agents?

There’s just no good recourse to an agent calling up a team and saying “hey, you can trade for Dame but he doesn’t really want to be in XYZ city & that could impact the team.” The fact is that superstars are hundred millionaires who are absolutely essential to the on-court product. They have real power whether we like it or not & they are now wielding that power to their personal advantage.

Portland offered him that contract with a full understanding that this situation was a possibility & so did Dame. It sucks for the fans but this is just the nature of the business.

I am going to be the minority here but honestly, I don't care about pissing off Lebron - that is the whole problem of this league they are so worried about the feelings of players rather than the business of the NBA.

The NFL has a hundred millionaires too. They don't demand trades to certain teams. Why? Because their commissioner actually has a spine and players know if they tried that stunt their GM would say no and fine their ass til they saw blood if they refused to play

What Ben Simmons did was a joke. What Lillard is doing is a joke. At some point, it's incumbent on owners to protect their INVESTMENTS and PRODUCT. Fans shouldn't be more outraged than they are.

I don’t care about pissing off Lebron. But the owners do, Nike does, etc. You nailed it tho the owners are gonna have to be the ones to put their foot down & stop letting players do this. The Sixers are the only ones who have told a player to shove it with Simmons but that was unique because Ben was damaged goods.

I am ok with blaming Silver for a lot of things but ultimately he works for the owners. And the owners haven’t drummed up the courage to fight the players on this so it will continue. Green Bay just went through a ton of drama with Aaron Rodgers but they held firm for years & only traded him whenever it was advantageous for them.

Honestly, at this point, I don't even why they bother putting the cities on jerseys at all. Should just call them the Lebron Lakers. Embiid 76ers. Tatum Celtics.

Every fan who defends this says local fanship doesn't matter it's about the players and creating "storylines" so why not just go all the way. Fully market the teams around the players. If this is what owners want then do it

[eyeatoma]

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[sixers hoops]

I don’t really blame Silver for all this nonsense. Players haven’t been given any additional power by the league they’ve taken it by force. They have a strong union & individual stars have a lot of power because of their importance on the court & economic importance off of it.

I definitely think there are long-term costs to players employing this strategy. But preventing these types of trade request is a really difficult collective action problem to solve.

He is the commissioner they took it by force from. Agents are calling teams who are not even holding contracts of one of their players and threatening them not to pursue their client’s services. It is the commissioners job to insure an agent is abiding by the NBA standard of conduct to remain a certified NBA agent. The NBA has a system in place to determine the order of draft picks in an attempt to create parity; however, agents are allowed to call teams and attempt to intimidate them from drafting their client. Lillard is more than welcome to holdout, yet his agent is permitted to bully teams from trading for his client.

If a player wants to control the exact team he wants to go to, his agent can recommend that he doesn’t sign an extension, he can holdout, or he can negotiate a no-trade clause. However, Dame signed an extension because he wants ALL the money. James opted in because he wanted that $35 million. Their agents recommended they extend contracts with these teams, then the commissioner thinks it is a professional practice for these same agents to randomly call all of the front office executives in an attempt to warn them against acquiring their player. Doesn’t sound like he is insuring that agents abide by any professional standard of conduct to maintain the integrity of the league.

So he’s going to ban Rich Paul & every other powerful agent in the league for working the phones on behalf of their client? He’s gonna open up the league to lawsuits from CAA, Klutch, and every other agency? Piss off Lebron & all the players with relationships with these agents?

There’s just no good recourse to an agent calling up a team and saying “hey, you can trade for Dame but he doesn’t really want to be in XYZ city & that could impact the team.” The fact is that superstars are hundred millionaires who are absolutely essential to the on court product. They have real power whether we like it or not & they are now wielding that power to their personal advantage.

Portland offered him that contract with a full understanding that this situation was a possibility & so did Dame. It sucks for the fans but this is just the nature of the business.

They need a commissioner with the backbone to maintain the integrity of the league. If he is afraid of pissing off agents, then he will continue to screw over small markets. If the agents want to sue for the right to act in a manner that doesn’t honor the collective bargaining agreement, then let them. Adam Silver is expected to represent all of the owners, not just the owners in the larger markets. If the NBA negotiates a draft to allocate players to teams to promote parity, and agents just want to force their players to a specific market, then agents are not operating within the negotiated bargaining agreement. If Silver is scared to do his job, then that is a different issue.

Fortunately, these day more owners are equipped to deal with these issues, and are willing to trade for a player in this situation. For the most part, agents give teams four or five teams that they would be willing to be traded to, and for most organizations are able to find a deal that is good enough to get rid of an unhappy player.

Kawhi’s LA request was ignored and he was sent to Toronto.

Anthony Davis’s LA request was ignored until the Lakers put together what NO thought was a competitive offer.

Paul George’s LA request was ignore when he was sent to OKC.

There are conflicting reports regarding what Harden wanted, but the Rockets got a reasonable enough return. And they Nets got a good return from us, although I think they expected a much better Ben.

Kyrie and Durant both gave a few teams they were willing to go to.

Bradley Beal had a full no-trade clause.

This summer seems to really be the beginning of the one team thing, and will be interesting to see how it plays out.

[sixers hoops]

So he’s going to ban Rich Paul & every other powerful agent in the league for working the phones on behalf of their client? He’s gonna open up the league to lawsuits from CAA, Klutch, and every other agency? Piss off Lebron & all the players with relationships with these agents?

There’s just no good recourse to an agent calling up a team and saying “hey, you can trade for Dame but he doesn’t really want to be in XYZ city & that could impact the team.” The fact is that superstars are hundred millionaires who are absolutely essential to the on-court product. They have real power whether we like it or not & they are now wielding that power to their personal advantage.

Portland offered him that contract with a full understanding that this situation was a possibility & so did Dame. It sucks for the fans but this is just the nature of the business.

I am going to be the minority here but honestly, I don't care about pissing off Lebron - that is the whole problem of this league they are so worried about the feelings of players rather than the business of the NBA.

The NFL has a hundred millionaires too. They don't demand trades to certain teams. Why? Because their commissioner actually has a spine and players know if they tried that stunt their GM would say no and fine their ass til they saw blood if they refused to play

What Ben Simmons did was a joke. What Lillard is doing is a joke. At some point, it's incumbent on owners to protect their INVESTMENTS and PRODUCT. Fans shouldn't be more outraged than they are.

I don’t care about pissing off Lebron. But the owners do, Nike does, etc. You nailed it tho the owners are gonna have to be the ones to put their foot down & stop letting players do this. The Sixers are the only ones who have told a player to shove it with Simmons but that was unique because Ben was damaged goods.

I am ok with blaming Silver for a lot of things but ultimately he works for the owners. And the owners haven’t drummed up the courage to fight the players on this so it will continue. Green Bay just went through a ton of drama with Aaron Rodgers but they held firm for years & only traded him whenever it was advantageous for them.

Well, Green Bay renegotiated with Rogers to give him early money before last season and he agreed to stay another year. I think the Sixers ownership and Morey put up the biggest fight against a player trying to sabotage a team. I give the Sixers credit for doing what was best for their organization. And Ben had the right to sit out.