Sixers Offseason Thread Part 3

[DCasey91]

Will be surprised if we do match.

So he's not being poached. We're giving him away.

Umm we could have offered him a contract beforehand no?

[DCasey91]

They can match.

Going from the report well most likely be in the tax anyway. Going from estimates not matching saves the owner upwards of 10-15 million including repeater tax the year after

Uber rich don’t get Uber rich by wasting on the skim it’s the opposite (use the skim on the top to reimburse/remanouver asset management)

And the way it’s going in the off season the memo is no tax.

Will be surprised if we do match.

I think the plan was to cross our fingers and hope he has to take the qualifying offer. When it appeared he was going to get a contract offer, they signed Bamba and Harrell to cover themselves. They are ways to match the contract and maneuver out of the tax, but I don’t know if that is happening.

Yep that makes sense. Don’t mind Bamba at all tbh. Reports are there’s not much interest in Harris as Morey has been rumoured to only want expirings.

The medium term view is most likely a max slot in FA next summer? Seems like the path that’s happening. At least it’s a path I suppose

Maxey not getting an extension further adds to that as it’s less cap hold to wait.

[DCasey91]

A more realistic trade for Tobi would be to Charlotte for Terry Rozier, Nick Richards, and Cody Martin. Two young guys who have shown flashes of excellent role playing and a microwave scorer. All three of those guys have 3 years left on their deal. With Paul Reed likely moving on, Nick Richards would be an excellent backup to Embiid.

I imagine Rozier would have to come off the bench with Maxey as a starter. If Harden is to be traded, it'd be nice to have a legitimate ball handler on the roster.

Not great, but Tobias isn't great either. And maybe he can teach the idiots on Charlotte to leave the guns/abuse; take the books.

Fan aside it looks like we are approaching it in the opposite manner. The moves tells us that we are opening the books as much as possible for an FA Max slot.

[Slacktard]

As said, the plan for the offseason is to avoid tax.

I think the plan is always to avoid the repeater tax, so they will always be careful regarding the luxury tax. However, Morey has to be smart enough to plan ahead to avoid boxing himself in with some of these bad contracts. If I were Harris, I wouldn’t pay the tax either. This team isn’t even a top 5 favorite. If I’m paying the tax, build me a team that has a really good shot at a title.

Are they avoiding 'bad contracts' or are they enacting the finances that the owner wants? You see other franchises who are at the top teams in their conference see their luxury tax bill go up because they keep their core around and it goes up in salary. Somehow the Sixers luxury tax has gone down every year the last 3 seasons. I think it went from like $25M to $13M, to last year being likely $0.

I think we all knew when Butler was acquired it was going to be legally possible to re-sign all of that team using bird rights, but doing so would be immensely costly for the luxury tax. So that didn't happen.

I think Harris biggest priority with the Sixers is the new arena. Obviously gutting a roster doesn't help with public opinion towards a new building... but I think he may be beginning to realize how uphill of a battle it may be and decide to start cutting his losses with the team. I think there's VERY LITTLE chance that the Sixers are going to treat Maxey's contract as a "OK. Let's sign another max FA, get to the cap and then jump $30m+ over it with Maxey's bird rights.

After next year the Sixers have I think 7 seasons left on the Well's Fargo Center lease. If something doesn't break in his favor for an approved downtown arena in the next year or so I wouldn't be surprised if there's feelers put out to Seattle and see what he might 'get' given to him. I don't think Vegas is a possibility since the locals don't even really want the A's and I think they'd say "move in with the hockey team"

[Stanford]

Will be surprised if we do match.

So he's not being poached. We're giving him away.

Umm we could have offered him a contract beforehand no?

And we can also match his contract offer. Still.

[sixers hoops]

I know we can debate who is more at fault - Morey or Harris. Either way, Morey seems like he really doesn’t know what he is doing. His bad moves are piling up.

[sixers hoops]

As said, the plan for the offseason is to avoid tax.

I think the plan is always to avoid the repeater tax, so they will always be careful regarding the luxury tax. However, Morey has to be smart enough to plan ahead to avoid boxing himself in with some of these bad contracts. If I were Harris, I wouldn’t pay the tax either. This team isn’t even a top 5 favorite. If I’m paying the tax, build me a team that has a really good shot at a title.

Are they avoiding 'bad contracts' or are they enacting the finances that the owner wants? You see other franchises who are at the top teams in their conference see their luxury tax bill go up because they keep their core around and it goes up in salary. Somehow the Sixers luxury tax has gone down every year the last 3 seasons. I think it went from like $25M to $13M, to last year being likely $0.

I think we all knew when Butler was acquired it was going to be legally possible to re-sign all of that team using bird rights, but doing so would be immensely costly for the luxury tax. So that didn't happen.

I think Harris biggest priority with the Sixers is the new arena. Obviously gutting a roster doesn't help with public opinion towards a new building... but I think he may be beginning to realize how uphill of a battle it may be and decide to start cutting his losses with the team. I think there's VERY LITTLE chance that the Sixers are going to treat Maxey's contract as a "OK. Let's sign another max FA, get to the cap and then jump $30m+ over it with Maxey's bird rights.

After next year the Sixers have I think 7 seasons left on the Well's Fargo Center lease. If something doesn't break in his favor for an approved downtown arena in the next year or so I wouldn't be surprised if there's feelers put out to Seattle and see what he might 'get' given to him. I don't think Vegas is a possibility since the locals don't even really want the A's and I think they'd say "move in with the hockey team"

I really haven’t looked at other team’s tax bills, so you make a good point; but while we are a top team in our conference, I think this team is a fraud, so I don’t see this as a team worth paying the luxury tax. However, to keep Paul Reed they should. Harris is going to bleed us for a stadium anyway, and we don’t have the resources to keep anybody otherwise.

[DCasey91]

So he's not being poached. We're giving him away.

Umm we could have offered him a contract beforehand no?

And we can also match his contract offer. Still.

You still don’t get it. Why would we match when the off season moves paints a different story. It goes further into the tax if we do, not extending and waiting on Maxey, signing Bamba/Harrell opening up the books etc.

It’s kind of illogical now unless it’s out of pure ego.

To poach someone is to take in an unfair way. Which Ainge did (smart move but ethically different story) but the game is the game.

[sixers hoops]

Umm we could have offered him a contract beforehand no?

And we can also match his contract offer. Still.

You still don’t get it. Why would we match when the off season moves paints a different story. It goes further into the tax if we do, not extending and waiting on Maxey, signing Bamba/Harrell opening up the books etc.

It’s kind of illogical now unless it’s out of pure ego.

To poach someone is to take in an unfair way. Which Ainge did (smart move but ethically different story) but the game is the game.

Teams routinely wait for restricted free agents to sign an offer sheet, then match. It makes more sense to let them test the market, than negotiating against yourself. And a good agent would see what offers are out there anyway.

I’m not being sarcastic, unless I’m missing something, I don’t see how it’s illogical

[DCasey91]

I know we can debate who is more at fault - Morey or Harris. Either way, Morey seems like he really doesn’t know what he is doing. His bad moves are piling up.

Why are you blaming Morey? I don’t know but it seems bloody obvious as to what is happening here. He doesn’t get to sign off on anything without the owner’s approval (that’s kind of how big businesses work last time I checked). He has a boss and bosses that he works under.

Dude was stuck in a rock and hard place and turned all the bad contracts into good ones. It’s an unrewarding endeavour but we actually got something of value in Ben Simmons for instance. We should really be more thankful imo

[DCasey91]

And we can also match his contract offer. Still.

You still don’t get it. Why would we match when the off season moves paints a different story. It goes further into the tax if we do, not extending and waiting on Maxey, signing Bamba/Harrell opening up the books etc.

It’s kind of illogical now unless it’s out of pure ego.

To poach someone is to take in an unfair way. Which Ainge did (smart move but ethically different story) but the game is the game.

Teams routinely wait for restricted free agents to sign an offer sheet, then match. It makes more sense to let them test the market, than negotiating against yourself. And a good agent would see what offers are out there anyway.

I’m not being sarcastic, unless I’m missing something, I don’t see how it’s illogical

Oh I meant illogical after the fact to match the offer now.

The testing of the market is a direction from both parties which can carry inherent risk. Wasn’t a player saying I’ll bet on myself and got a harsh dose of reality in the end he was a philly player too at one point lol

[sixers hoops]

You still don’t get it. Why would we match when the off season moves paints a different story. It goes further into the tax if we do, not extending and waiting on Maxey, signing Bamba/Harrell opening up the books etc.

It’s kind of illogical now unless it’s out of pure ego.

To poach someone is to take in an unfair way. Which Ainge did (smart move but ethically different story) but the game is the game.

Teams routinely wait for restricted free agents to sign an offer sheet, then match. It makes more sense to let them test the market, than negotiating against yourself. And a good agent would see what offers are out there anyway.

I’m not being sarcastic, unless I’m missing something, I don’t see how it’s illogical

Oh I meant illogical after the fact to match the offer now.

The testing of the market is a direction from both parties which can carry inherent risk. Wasn’t a player saying I’ll bet on myself and got a harsh dose of reality in the end he was a philly player too at one point lol

What is the inherent risk to the Sixers? They know what he is worth now, and they can either match or not match. It’s not like he got a deal that spun Morey’s eyeballs around. Whether Paul got good offers or bad offers, the Sixers can just decide whether or not to match. The sixers are in the driver’s seat. They either want him at that price or they don’t.

Unless you are saying they simply won’t match because of the luxury tax, but if that is the case, then the Paul accepting the qualifying offer was the only way he was staying.

[Stanford]

To poach someone is to take in an unfair way.

I see.

[Arsenal]

I reiterate that my pitchfork is ready if this cheap, incompetent ownership lets Basketball go.

[Murray_17]

I'm happy for Bball getting his bag anyway. I just don't think he's gonna get too much play time in the Jazz with Kessler/Collins/Markannen fighting for minutes. Which also might put the rest of his money in risk.

But well, i still think we match the offer.

[M2J]

They could get reed back next year if they want. It's unlikely jazz keep him

[hookshot199]

Who cares if the second and third seasons are guaranteed. We want him around for another 3 seasons.

Think the problem is that we can't offer a max to a 10 year player if we sign Reed.

I haven’t looked that close, but next season we will have a ton of cap space. We only have Embiid, Tucker, Maxey caphold, and Springer option. How is Paul Reed making a difference?

Make the Harden trade - sooner.

[Foshan]

I could see us not matching with the excuse of signing Peteusev, who rides the bench and never plays.

If we do let Reed go, I hope we give Bolbol a one year deal.

Of course I’m always high on signing cheap summer guys and hoping they can grow.

[ExplosionsInDaSky]

Harris IS an expiring. Why trade him for...Expirings?
I think we'll eventually round out the bench with someone who can score. Not going to panic just yet, but I am mad about Reed. I really think we should hold on to him.

[hookshot199]

Harris IS an expiring. Why trade him for...Expirings?
I think we'll eventually round out the bench with someone who can score. Not going to panic just yet, but I am mad about Reed. I really think we should hold on to him.

I am too. Doc f--ked us over with Reed. Now we either lose him or take a huge risk on a guy who wasn't given a chance to prove what he can do. But if Morey doesn't match, it makes Morey look incompetent (major league incompetent) because he can't get anyone better. He needs to pull the trigger sooner on the Harden trade to make the numbers work so that we can keep Reed.