Re-Signed: The PJ Washington Jr. Thread (3yrs/$48m)

[Colbinii]

I was under the impression PJ was asking for $20m or over. If the magic number is $18, just do it already. He’s home grown talent, not our go to option or anything but certainly the type of guy we need on this roster. He’s reliable, plays good defense, shoots the 3 and is clutch. If we had all of our players last year we probably make the playoffs and he gets paid. Cap will always go up, lock the guy up at $18m per.

As for positioning, why would Miles play a lot at PF? I see him and PJ sharing the floor a lot together. Gordon is the one who I’d see swapping starting spots with Miles once we are at full strength.

I don't think $18 is the magic number. He is an MLE level player.

Below League Average Efficiency in 3 out of 4 NBA seasons, including last year with a career low in 3P% [34.8%]
Negative BPM and Below League Average in WS/48
Mediocre Impact Metrics

Now, I am sure P.J. Washington's camp is looking at Cameron Johnson and saying "Look at what he got!" while Charlotte is looking at Grant Williams and saying "Look at what he got!".

You know the difference there?
4/54 [54 Guaranteed]
4/108 [No details but I think its around 92 Guaranteed]

So yeah, when the team could be offering half the amount you want, I understand why P.J. Washington would take the Q.O.

[yosemiteben]

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[Diop]

the other unknown that crosses my mind is who could be part of the "bad culture". Is that affecting some of these negotiations?

[JMAC3]

If the Hornets are really offering PJ 3/51 or close to 17/18 million per year and he turns that down that would be a mistake by him IMO. I like PJ, but he is really a 5th starter or 6th man type of player. His career averages are 12 ppg and the one season where Charlotte tried to ramp up his usage and lean on him his efficiency went down. Great complimentary guy who I would want around but those types of guys aren't getting 20 million per year.

He will probably start 30-40 games this year and hit the market probably with his role, scoring average and mins reduced from last year. Doesn't scream that he is going to get some massive offer that he didn't get this year.

Flat out Miles is just a better player and he will get more minutes at the 4 then PJ. PJ going to cost himself a bunch of money just to be fighting for MLE money again next offseason.

[DSM346]

Mitch "there ain't no motivation like a contract year" Kupchak.

[LofJ]

New ownership is asleep at the wheel, not off to a promising start.

[JDR720]

PJ's skillset is valuable. 3&D player who can probably play 3 positions (PF, sometimes C and sometimes SF).

15-20m is what his market value likely is if he were UFA.

[JDR720]

He and Miles being UFA next offseason, I think the odds both of them leave is pretty high.

[JMAC3]

PJ's skillset is valuable. 3&D player who can probably play 3 positions (PF, sometimes C and sometimes SF).

15-20m is what his market value likely is if he were UFA.

There were teams that could of offered that this year and they didn't. I like PJ, but I don't really see his stock rising this year.
He had more mins, more touches, more shots, more ppg this year without Miles, LaMelo and Miller in the picture.
I will be shocked if some team offers him 20 million per year next year after he is a parttime starter this year.

[JDR720]

PJ's skillset is valuable. 3&D player who can probably play 3 positions (PF, sometimes C and sometimes SF).

15-20m is what his market value likely is if he were UFA.

There were teams that could of offered that this year and they didn't. I like PJ, but I don't really see his stock rising this year.
He had more mins, more touches, more shots, more ppg this year without Miles, LaMelo and Miller in the picture.
I will be shocked if some team offers him 20 million per year next year after he is a parttime starter this year.

RFA's usually don't get offered contracts, unless the team in question is also willing to sign&trade for them.

By the looks of things, Oubre isn't coming back, so Miller will take his 6th man role (assuming Cliff doesn't send him to G-Boro for most of the year like Mark).

So PJ is still going to get around 30mins and be a starter, his efficiency will be better with Miles/Melo to take pressure off.

[Diop]

PJ's skillset is valuable. 3&D player who can probably play 3 positions (PF, sometimes C and sometimes SF).

15-20m is what his market value likely is if he were UFA.

There were teams that could of offered that this year and they didn't. I like PJ, but I don't really see his stock rising this year.
He had more mins, more touches, more shots, more ppg this year without Miles, LaMelo and Miller in the picture.
I will be shocked if some team offers him 20 million per year next year after he is a parttime starter this year.

RFA's usually don't get offered contracts, unless the team in question is also willing to sign&trade for them.

By the looks of things, Oubre isn't coming back, so Miller will take his 6th man role (assuming Cliff doesn't send him to G-Boro for most of the year like Mark).

So PJ is still going to get around 30mins and be a starter, his efficiency will be better with Miles/Melo to take pressure off.

2 RFA's had there offers matched in the last week

[yosemiteben]

It appears that the headline on the article was more dramatic than the body of the article.

There has been some progress on a new contract for Washington in Charlotte, but there is still a gap between the sides. Washington would be willing to sign the qualifying offer, a source told Heavy Sports, if that gap can’t be bridged, and take his chances on unrestricted free agency in what should be a richer market in 2024.

[SWedd523]

PJ's skillset is valuable. 3&D player who can probably play 3 positions (PF, sometimes C and sometimes SF).

15-20m is what his market value likely is if he were UFA.

There were teams that could of offered that this year and they didn't. I like PJ, but I don't really see his stock rising this year.
He had more mins, more touches, more shots, more ppg this year without Miles, LaMelo and Miller in the picture.
I will be shocked if some team offers him 20 million per year next year after he is a parttime starter this year.

RFA's usually don't get offered contracts, unless the team in question is also willing to sign&trade for them.

By the looks of things, Oubre isn't coming back, so Miller will take his 6th man role (assuming Cliff doesn't send him to G-Boro for most of the year like Mark).

So PJ is still going to get around 30mins and be a starter, his efficiency will be better with Miles/Melo to take pressure off.

Who is he starting over? Miles or Gordon?

[Diop]

There were teams that could of offered that this year and they didn't. I like PJ, but I don't really see his stock rising this year.
He had more mins, more touches, more shots, more ppg this year without Miles, LaMelo and Miller in the picture.
I will be shocked if some team offers him 20 million per year next year after he is a parttime starter this year.

RFA's usually don't get offered contracts, unless the team in question is also willing to sign&trade for them.

By the looks of things, Oubre isn't coming back, so Miller will take his 6th man role (assuming Cliff doesn't send him to G-Boro for most of the year like Mark).

So PJ is still going to get around 30mins and be a starter, his efficiency will be better with Miles/Melo to take pressure off.

Who is he starting over? Miles or Gordon?

gordon because of injury i guess

[amcoolio]

Let him take the QO. We aren't winning more games by giving PJ a huge contract. He's a league average player. Don't let a lame duck front office ruin it for whoever comes in here next. I'm sure ownership is why no big contract has been given yet

[JDR720]

I forgot about Terry, I could see Cliff bump him to the bench in Oubre's role too. And yeah, Gordon is going to get hurt eventually. I doubt Cliff starts Miles as a PF.

Either way, PJ is going to be a regular next season. Would be surprised if he can't get a Rui level contract.

[fatlever]

melo, miles, mark pretty much guaranteed to start and play a combined 90 to 100 minutes a game
that leaves terry, gordon, miller and cody fighting for the other starting spots
he will start the first 10games, after that its possible he's off the bench
he will not have the usage or shots like last year

[SWedd523]

I forgot about Terry, I could see Cliff bump him to the bench in Oubre's role too. And yeah, Gordon is going to get hurt eventually. I doubt Cliff starts Miles as a PF.

Either way, PJ is going to be a regular next season. Would be surprised if he can't get a Rui level contract.

If he has the same workload as last year then something has gone terribly wrong.

His minutes and production should drop next year unless his game takes a leap nobody is expecting. Him taking the QO is a huge gamble that likely will not pay off because he isn't going to get the Big Market Stank the Hachimuras and Williams of the world got.

[Rich4114]

This PJ thing is becoming frustrating as hell. He’s not getting more than $20m on the open market and if he has the ability to secure $18m per right now, he should.

Is this some sort of cap space play where we open up two max spots for 2024? I just don’t know what the plan is here. Is sign and trade still on the table? Would Toronto pay PJ and trade Siakam?

[Robot Rock]

I just don’t know what the plan is here.

There's been a plan?