Tank World Order (10.0) The Empire Strikes Back

[Mr Fitzhume]

Cameron Boozer is a monster too. Both Flagg and Boozer are gonna be tough

If he reclassifies does that mean he’s playing college this fall or next fall? As in can we draft him the year the spurs have our top 6 protected pick or the draft after that?

I think 2026 is the year of Flagg.

[Time for Change]

The problem with tanking is it takes so long. Look at the Pistons, they started tanking in 2020, and they got almost as lucky as possible and got the #1 overall pick in 2021, only the 2nd year of tanking. Now they’re going into the third year with Cade and they won’t even sniff the play-in. Maybe, maybe they start gunning for the playoffs in the 2025 season, and who knows how long after that until they are real contenders, if ever.

[720]

Cameron Boozer is a monster too. Both Flagg and Boozer are gonna be tough

If he reclassifies does that mean he’s playing college this fall or next fall? As in can we draft him the year the spurs have our top 6 protected pick or the draft after that?

I think 2026 is the year of Flagg.

Okay, so if he reclassifies it’ll be 2025 and will line up to right when we have our pick rights back. Nice!

[Bruin]

The problem with tanking is it takes so long. Look at the Pistons, they started tanking in 2020, and they got almost as lucky as possible and got the #1 overall pick in 2021, only the 2nd year of tanking. Now they’re going into the third year with Cade and they won’t even sniff the play-in. Maybe, maybe they start gunning for the playoffs in the 2025 season, and who knows how long after that until they are real contenders, if ever.

I’d rather be patient and eventually have a superstar and be good than sit in mediocrity for the next decade

[ItsDanger]

Flagg is a 2006 birth year so he could possibly reclassify and be eligible for 2025 draft (he was a junior this past year, so only 1 more high school year left I think). Boozer will be 2026.

[KrazyP]

The problem with tanking is it takes so long. Look at the Pistons, they started tanking in 2020, and they got almost as lucky as possible and got the #1 overall pick in 2021, only the 2nd year of tanking. Now they’re going into the third year with Cade and they won’t even sniff the play-in. Maybe, maybe they start gunning for the playoffs in the 2025 season, and who knows how long after that until they are real contenders, if ever.

I’d rather be patient and eventually have a superstar and be good than sit in mediocrity for the next decade

Tanking does not mean you will eventually get a superstar if you’re patient. The odds are in fact highly against it.

Tanking also does not mean you’ll eventually be good if you’re patient. The average tanking team turns into treadmill/mediocre.

Tanking is a strategy that can be used to replinish your asset base if your cupboard is dry and all else has failed. It’s a nuclear strategy kinda of like setting a restaurant on fire for the insurance money.

[Los_29]

The problem with tanking is it takes so long. Look at the Pistons, they started tanking in 2020, and they got almost as lucky as possible and got the #1 overall pick in 2021, only the 2nd year of tanking. Now they’re going into the third year with Cade and they won’t even sniff the play-in. Maybe, maybe they start gunning for the playoffs in the 2025 season, and who knows how long after that until they are real contenders, if ever.

I’d rather be patient and eventually have a superstar and be good than sit in mediocrity for the next decade

Tanking does not mean you will eventually get a superstar if you’re patient. The odds are in fact highly against it.

Tanking also does not mean you’ll eventually be good if you’re patient. The average tanking team turns into treadmill/mediocre.

Tanking is a strategy that can be used to replinish your asset base if your cupboard is dry and all else has failed. It’s a nuclear strategy kinda of like setting a restaurant on fire for the insurance money.

This is what people don't understand. How many superstars have the Hornets, Pistons, Kings, Cavs, Rockets, Thunder, Pacers drafted the past few years? None.

The likelihood is that all of the teams I mentioned above will be 1st/2nd round exits and none of them will be hoisting a Larry OB within the next few years.

[Bruin]

I’d take even a 10% chance at finding a superstar than trying to do what we’re doing right now.

Los somehow thinking he’s the smartest guy on the board is the joke of this century after consistently being wrong in so many things

[ItsDanger]

Tanking doesn't guarantee a superstar? So its not a good strategy? You don't have a superstar on the roster now? Therefore by this logic, the current strategy isn't good also. And therein lies the crux of this argument, there isn't one.

[Bruin]

Tanking doesn't guarantee a superstar? So it’s not a good strategy? You don't have a superstar on the roster now? Therefore by this logic, the current strategy isn't good also. And therein lies the crux of this argument, there isn't one.

People who doubt tanking seem to just ignore the times that it actually works. Look at OKC, San Antonio, New Orleans, Memphis, even Indiana

All teams with a brighter future than us right now

[Duffman100]

Tanking doesn't guarantee a superstar? So its not a good strategy? You don't have a superstar on the roster now? Therefore by this logic, the current strategy isn't good also. And therein lies the crux of this argument, there isn't one.

I think it's safe to say there isn't ONE way to get a superstar. There isn't ONE way to build a title contending team.

Many different avenues to get there.

[DonDoolie]

The problem with tanking is it takes so long. Look at the Pistons, they started tanking in 2020, and they got almost as lucky as possible and got the #1 overall pick in 2021, only the 2nd year of tanking. Now they’re going into the third year with Cade and they won’t even sniff the play-in. Maybe, maybe they start gunning for the playoffs in the 2025 season, and who knows how long after that until they are real contenders, if ever.

4 years is long? for perspective the raptors have made the playoffs 1 time in the past 3 years and it was a first round exit. Now we lose FVV for nothing, possibly lose OG and Pascal for nothing and they only thing we have to show for it is drafting Scottie #4th overall. The FO was literally trying to win games and we still sucked so why not take a step back and actually get some assets.

Nobody is saying tank=automatic superstars but tanking does give you assets and more flexibility to make trades for stars and superstars. It's crazy to me that people on this board don't understand the simple concept they would rather watch a treadmill team and hope we magically draft great players at 20 every year because they are ok with getting curb stomped in the first round.

[OakleyDokely]

Tanking doesn't guarantee a superstar? So its not a good strategy? You don't have a superstar on the roster now? Therefore by this logic, the current strategy isn't good also. And therein lies the crux of this argument, there isn't one.

I think it's safe to say there isn't ONE way to get a superstar. There isn't ONE way to build a title contending team.

Many different avenues to get there.

Last 10 NBA finals MVP's and how they were acquired:

2023 Jokic - Draft, 41st Overall
2022 Curry - Draft, 7th Overall
2021 Giannis - Draft, 15th Overall
2020 Lebron - Free Agency
2019 Kawhi - Trade
2018 Durant - Free Agency
2017 Durant - Free Agency
2016 Lebron - Free Agency
2015 Iguodala - Free Agency
2014 Kawhi - Draft, 15th Overall

[720]

Bruh his game is so smooth.

[Bruin]

Tanking doesn't guarantee a superstar? So its not a good strategy? You don't have a superstar on the roster now? Therefore by this logic, the current strategy isn't good also. And therein lies the crux of this argument, there isn't one.

I think it's safe to say there isn't ONE way to get a superstar. There isn't ONE way to build a title contending team.

Many different avenues to get there.

Last 10 NBA finals MVP's and how they were acquired:

2023: Jokic - Draft, 41st Overall
2022 Curry - Draft, 7th Overall
2021 Giannis - Draft, 15th Overall
2020 Lebron - Free Agency
2019 Kawhi - Trade
2018 Durant - Free Agency
2017 Durant - Free Agency
2016 Lebron - Free Agency
2015 Iguodala - Free Agency
2014 Kawhi - Draft, 15th Overall

Unless it’s a Canadian (Shai), the free agency route will never work here. It’ll either have to happen through the draft or get lucky with a trade again

[OakleyDokely]

I think it's safe to say there isn't ONE way to get a superstar. There isn't ONE way to build a title contending team.

Many different avenues to get there.

Last 10 NBA finals MVP's and how they were acquired:

2023: Jokic - Draft, 41st Overall
2022 Curry - Draft, 7th Overall
2021 Giannis - Draft, 15th Overall
2020 Lebron - Free Agency
2019 Kawhi - Trade
2018 Durant - Free Agency
2017 Durant - Free Agency
2016 Lebron - Free Agency
2015 Iguodala - Free Agency
2014 Kawhi - Draft, 15th Overall

Unless it’s a Canadian (Shai), the free agency route will never work here. It’ll either have to happen through the draft or get lucky with a trade again

yup, for the Raps, it's likely either trade or draft.

Acquiring a superstar overall is very luck based unless you're the Lakers or Heat who can just sign them. You either need to get lucky and hit with a mid/late pick like DEN or MIL has, or be bad at the right time when there happens to be a superstar at #1/2 and be lucky enough to win the draft lottery. Even then, it's hard to keep that superstar because if you're picking #1 that means you're really bad and superstars don't want to play on a team that can't win a title relatively soon -- see KD, Lebron who just got tired and left the teams that drafted them.

[720]

[Duffman100]

I think it's safe to say there isn't ONE way to get a superstar. There isn't ONE way to build a title contending team.

Many different avenues to get there.

Last 10 NBA finals MVP's and how they were acquired:

2023: Jokic - Draft, 41st Overall
2022 Curry - Draft, 7th Overall
2021 Giannis - Draft, 15th Overall
2020 Lebron - Free Agency
2019 Kawhi - Trade
2018 Durant - Free Agency
2017 Durant - Free Agency
2016 Lebron - Free Agency
2015 Iguodala - Free Agency
2014 Kawhi - Draft, 15th Overall

Unless it’s a Canadian (Shai), the free agency route will never work here. It’ll either have to happen through the draft or get lucky with a trade again

So either get lucky in the draft or lucky in a trade. Let's be clear that luck plays a large factor in both situations.

[ItsDanger]

Flagg can do it all. Watch those highlights, then watch Raps summer league. The contrast is incredible.

[HumbleRen]

Last 10 NBA finals MVP's and how they were acquired:

2023: Jokic - Draft, 41st Overall
2022 Curry - Draft, 7th Overall
2021 Giannis - Draft, 15th Overall
2020 Lebron - Free Agency
2019 Kawhi - Trade
2018 Durant - Free Agency
2017 Durant - Free Agency
2016 Lebron - Free Agency
2015 Iguodala - Free Agency
2014 Kawhi - Draft, 15th Overall

Unless it’s a Canadian (Shai), the free agency route will never work here. It’ll either have to happen through the draft or get lucky with a trade again

So either get lucky in the draft or lucky in a trade. Let's be clear that luck plays a large factor in both situations.

You also have to put yourself in a situation to get lucky though.

The way we’re going about it is objectively not a good way to build a championship team even if you believe in rebuilding from the middle.