Raptors sign Markquis Nowell

[TheGeneral99]

Nah, not really lol. Even when Lowry and FVV were both starting, our guard depth was poor. We got away with it in 2019-2020 because we played FVV and Lowry near 37 minutes a game lol.

FVV went from being a back up to starting and we replaced that hole with Malachi Flynn lmao.

I don’t know what’s their solution to address the guard situation but looking for it in the second round or undrafted pool is not it lol.

I mean this is a bit misleading.

We also had Norman Powell as a backup guard that year who could have been a starter on most teams. The Raptors also signed undrafted rookie Terrence Davis who was decently productive for us that year. Issue was that TD had sexual assault allegations the next summer and we dropped him. Jalen Harris similarly also had drug problems and was suspended by the league so we could never really develop him.

Powell isn’t a guard, he’s a wing. He doesn’t have a guard skill set.

TD could of been a decent option but he had his own personal issues.

Jalen Harris shouldn’t be included with those guys above. His drug problems isn’t the reason why he isn’t in the NBA lol.

Guard includes point guards and shooting guards. Powell was a shooting guard.

[REJECTEDBYCLARK]

Nah, not really lol. Even when Lowry and FVV were both starting, our guard depth was poor. We got away with it in 2019-2020 because we played FVV and Lowry near 37 minutes a game lol.

FVV went from being a back up to starting and we replaced that hole with Malachi Flynn lmao.

I don’t know what’s their solution to address the guard situation but looking for it in the second round or undrafted pool is not it lol.

"Look at the Miami Heat, there is so much parity in this league, why not US?"

Miami Heat: 20 billion NBA level guards

The murderer's row of Tyler Herro, Max Struss, Gabe Vincent, 40 year old Lowry and Victor Oladipo?

Sure let's ignore the fact Caleb Martin who balled the **** out for them was listed as an SG for 1/3rd of the minutes he played and essentially carried the skillset and responsibilities of an SG for the remaining minutes.

Oh and write off Lowry who isn't 40 years old and popped off for them in criticial moments during their run.

You're living in lala land.

[Kurtz]

"Look at the Miami Heat, there is so much parity in this league, why not US?"

Miami Heat: 20 billion NBA level guards

The murderer's row of Tyler Herro, Max Struss, Gabe Vincent, 40 year old Lowry and Victor Oladipo?

Sure let's ignore the fact Caleb Martin who balled the **** out for them was listed as an SG for 1/3rd of the minutes he played and essentially carried the skillset and responsibilities of an SG for the remaining minutes.

Oh and write off Lowry who isn't 40 years old and popped off for them in criticial moments during their run.

You're living in lala land.

You're getting desperate if you're listing Martin as a guard. They mostly played him at PF especially in the playoffs.

If we go by your desperate criteria we might as well list Scottie as a guard as well.

[ATLTimekeeper]

Someone should define guard here

[HumbleRen]

I mean this is a bit misleading.

We also had Norman Powell as a backup guard that year who could have been a starter on most teams. The Raptors also signed undrafted rookie Terrence Davis who was decently productive for us that year. Issue was that TD had sexual assault allegations the next summer and we dropped him. Jalen Harris similarly also had drug problems and was suspended by the league so we could never really develop him.

Powell isn’t a guard, he’s a wing. He doesn’t have a guard skill set.

TD could of been a decent option but he had his own personal issues.

Jalen Harris shouldn’t be included with those guys above. His drug problems isn’t the reason why he isn’t in the NBA lol.

Guard includes point guards and shooting guards. Powell was a shooting guard.

He played the guard position, sure. So did OG this year lol.

Him and GTJ are virtually the same in what they bring to the table, Norm is just a better version of him. Undersized wings at the guard position. They both can’t bring up the ball like normal guards can. They’re both terrible passers and neither can temporarily could on lead ball handling duties once FVV sat.

If you want to say he can play the 2, you’re completely right. Is he solving the guard depth issue that we have ? Not in the slightest.

[Johnny Bball]

Powell is nothing but a shooting guard. Stop.

[sbsat]

Powell is nothing but a shooting guard. Stop.

He made a list of all the crappy depth "guards" weve had since 2020 and when i pointed out the omissions he changed the lists definitions to people signed since 2020. Now hes just pivoting to arguing who is and isn't a guard. All of this is happening while he watches summer league games and uses any and every rookie who scores more than 20 points as proof positive masai is an idiot.

[REJECTEDBYCLARK]

The murderer's row of Tyler Herro, Max Struss, Gabe Vincent, 40 year old Lowry and Victor Oladipo?

Sure let's ignore the fact Caleb Martin who balled the **** out for them was listed as an SG for 1/3rd of the minutes he played and essentially carried the skillset and responsibilities of an SG for the remaining minutes.

Oh and write off Lowry who isn't 40 years old and popped off for them in criticial moments during their run.

You're living in lala land.

You're getting desperate if you're listing Martin as a guard. They mostly played him at PF especially in the playoffs.

If we go by your desperate criteria we might as well list Scottie as a guard as well.

Martin played 75% of his 694 playoff minutes this year listed as the SG, 22% of them as an SF and 0 at PF. You are instantly going on ignore with your irrelevant posts and lies. Do better next time.

[ForeverTFC]

Powell is nothing but a shooting guard. Stop.

He made a list of all the crappy depth "guards" weve had since 2020 and when i pointed out the omissions he changed the lists definitions to people signed since 2020. Now hes just pivoting to arguing who is and isn't a guard. All of this is happening while he watches summer league games and uses any and every rookie who scores more than 20 points as proof positive masai is an idiot.

He thinks GTJ is a wing. I'm all for trying to debate folks, but when this is his starting point, there is no productive path to a meaningful and productive conversation.

[HumbleRen]

Powell is nothing but a shooting guard. Stop.

He made a list of all the crappy depth "guards" weve had since 2020 and when i pointed out the omissions he changed the lists definitions to people signed since 2020. Now hes just pivoting to arguing who is and isn't a guard. All of this is happening while he watches summer league games and uses any and every rookie who scores more than 20 points as proof positive masai is an idiot.

He thinks GTJ is a wing. I'm all for trying to debate folks, but when this is his starting point, there is no productive path to a meaningful and productive conversation.

I'm saying his skillset is a wing lol.

GTJ doesn't bring guard like skills to the table. The dude can't dribble man lol.

[ForeverTFC]

He made a list of all the crappy depth "guards" weve had since 2020 and when i pointed out the omissions he changed the lists definitions to people signed since 2020. Now hes just pivoting to arguing who is and isn't a guard. All of this is happening while he watches summer league games and uses any and every rookie who scores more than 20 points as proof positive masai is an idiot.

He thinks GTJ is a wing. I'm all for trying to debate folks, but when this is his starting point, there is no productive path to a meaningful and productive conversation.

I'm saying his skillset is a wing lol.

GTJ doesn't bring guard like skills to the table. The dude can't dribble man lol.

What do you think guard play means? Dribbling is not just a guard skill. Many of the league's forwards (hence wings) bring the ball up, initiate action, run pick and rolls, etc. In turn, guards have shaded more and more toward the "combo guard" of the past: scorers playing off of wings and bigs, looking for their own shot first and foremost. GTJ is a guard. He does not have the size or skillset of a wing.

[ATLTimekeeper]

Alright, so GTJr is a wing, Powell is a wing and then Scottie and Siakam are guards because they bring the ball up the court and initiate offense. So Scottie (ROY), Siakam (all-NBA/all-star) and Fred (all-star). Seems pretty good to me.

[HiJiNX]

He made a list of all the crappy depth "guards" weve had since 2020 and when i pointed out the omissions he changed the lists definitions to people signed since 2020. Now hes just pivoting to arguing who is and isn't a guard. All of this is happening while he watches summer league games and uses any and every rookie who scores more than 20 points as proof positive masai is an idiot.

He thinks GTJ is a wing. I'm all for trying to debate folks, but when this is his starting point, there is no productive path to a meaningful and productive conversation.

I'm saying his skillset is a wing lol.

GTJ doesn't bring guard like skills to the table. The dude can't dribble man lol.

A point guard’s job is to dribble, create and manage. Typically the best ball handler on the team.

A shooting guards main job is to score from the outside in. Dribbling isn’t a huge part of it outside of shot creation (whether that’s on the perimeter or getting to the rim). They usually do a lot of moving away from the ball.

A combo guard does both to some degree.

To say Norm isn’t a guard…well I dunno man.

[HumbleRen]

He thinks GTJ is a wing. I'm all for trying to debate folks, but when this is his starting point, there is no productive path to a meaningful and productive conversation.

I'm saying his skillset is a wing lol.

GTJ doesn't bring guard like skills to the table. The dude can't dribble man lol.

What do you think guard play means? Dribbling is not just a guard skill. Many of the league's forwards (hence wings) bring the ball up, initiate action, run pick and rolls, etc. In turn, guards have shaded more and more toward the "combo guard" of the past: scorers playing off of wings and bigs, looking for their own shot first and foremost. GTJ is a guard. He does not have the size or skillset of a wing.

You're letting the word "wing" cloud your perspective. It literally means a player who swings from a 2 or 3.

He was playing SF in Portland beside Lillard and CJ in the playoffs lol, that's where he got his first big break.

I like GTJ but he's not giving you typical guard play in the modern NBA. He's not Malik Monk, Huerter, etc etc of the worlds where you can temporarily let him be the lead guard on the court.

[Johnny Bball]

Powell is nothing but a shooting guard. Stop.

He made a list of all the crappy depth "guards" weve had since 2020 and when i pointed out the omissions he changed the lists definitions to people signed since 2020. Now hes just pivoting to arguing who is and isn't a guard. All of this is happening while he watches summer league games and uses any and every rookie who scores more than 20 points as proof positive masai is an idiot.

Honestly...There is nobody here that would have a worse time admitting what would be a simple omission and that will move the goalposts more. Every time.

[HumbleRen]

He thinks GTJ is a wing. I'm all for trying to debate folks, but when this is his starting point, there is no productive path to a meaningful and productive conversation.

I'm saying his skillset is a wing lol.

GTJ doesn't bring guard like skills to the table. The dude can't dribble man lol.

A point guard’s job is to dribble, create and manage. Typically the best ball handler on the team.

A shooting guards main job is to score from the outside in. Dribbling isn’t a huge part of it outside of shot creation (whether that’s on the perimeter or getting to the rim). They usually do a lot of moving away from the ball.

A combo guard does both to some degree.

To say Norm isn’t a guard…well I dunno man.

I agree if we're using an older era of basketball. There's a reason why the traditional SG position has been getting phased out, if you aren't dynamic enough to be a combo guard, you're essentially an extension of the SF position, a wing player that shoots 3's and hopefully is able to defend.

It's why Norm and GTJ both really struggled off the bench for us but Derrick White, Hurter, Monk, Immanuel Quickley, Maxey, etc etc of the worlds can thrive whether they're coming off the bench or starting. The latter have the necessary guard skills in the current modern NBA while the former have more of a wing skill set.

GTJ/Norm are literally the worst type of "guards" you can have on your team with a roster like ours because they skew more towards being wings then they are guards.

[ForeverTFC]

I'm saying his skillset is a wing lol.

GTJ doesn't bring guard like skills to the table. The dude can't dribble man lol.

What do you think guard play means? Dribbling is not just a guard skill. Many of the league's forwards (hence wings) bring the ball up, initiate action, run pick and rolls, etc. In turn, guards have shaded more and more toward the "combo guard" of the past: scorers playing off of wings and bigs, looking for their own shot first and foremost. GTJ is a guard. He does not have the size or skillset of a wing.

You're letting the word "wing" cloud your perspective. It literally means a player who swings from a 2 or 3.

He was playing SF in Portland beside Lillard and CJ in the playoffs lol, that's where he got his first big break.

I like GTJ but he's not giving you typical guard play in the modern NBA. He's not Malik Monk, Huerter, etc etc of the worlds where you can temporarily let him be the lead guard on the court.

You take a very classic approach to the term wing by defining it as a 2 or 3 but then restrict the meaning of guard. It makes no sense.

By your definition, a wing is either a 2 or a 3, a guard or a forward. You assert that GTJ is a wing. Given GTJ is not a forward (he only played the 3 in Portland given their backcourt, <1 season in his whole career), he is then a 2. Therefore GTJ is a guard. Your definition of a wing overlaps with your definition of a guard. See how you got yourself in a loop?

I think what you are trying to define as a guard is a point or a combo guard. Yes, GTJ and Powell are not that. But it is clear to everyone that watches basketball (and I believe to you as well, I think you are just doubling down at this point) that they are not forwards. As a result, they are guards.

[tripa]

So after all of that, HumbleRen admits they are guards anyways. Lovely.

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[alevirfe]

seems so obvious to me that position should be based on who you guard on defense

calling Luka a PG is silly to me, despite his skillset & role on offense. he's 6'10 and guards wings/PFs