Mavs Summer League 2023 (Next: July 16 vs Hawks 9:30 EST)

[41Dirk41]

I'd much rather he continued to spend his time with Tyson and doesn't inherit any of Powells poor defensive and rebounding habits.

That’s an of a bit brain dead idea. Powell is a poor defender and rebounder because of ability. Not effort or habits.

When was the last time Chandler ran a P&R with Luka? Does he know how he likes his screens? Or as much about the Mavs offense?

I was speaking about defense, not sure where you inferred any reference about offense from, Mr braindead.

I'd rather he focuses on defense at this point and whilst Powell has a ton of effort, that is pretty much about it defensifely and rebounding wise. His positioning and boxout aren't particularly good but I'm sure you'd struggle to see that with your objectively operating remaining handful of brain cells.

But to answer your braindead question if you are capable of understanding how time works - Luka and Chandler might have ever so slighly not overlapped in their careers - but guess who Chandler did run great PnRs with? A certain JKidd.

Dwight Powell can only teach how to gain muscles in the gym and how to wave towels

[Bob8]

Yeah but you’re bitching and moaning about fundamentals. And how Europeans do it so much better and yet Wemby sets some god awful screens. So your theory has some holes clearly.

Luka is not setting screens too, but was still multiple MVP and gold medalist with 18 years, while number 1 pick was playing video games. Super stars normally are not setting screens, defensive Cs for sure are.

You can't be serious and arguing about fundamentals between Wemby and Lively? First will earn around billion and second be very happy, if he could get second contract.

Lmao superstars don’t set screens? Someone should tell that to Jokic. Bigs set screens buddy. Whether they’re a superstar or a scrub. Have you ever played or watched basketball? Like what?

I’m not arguing that Lively has better skills than Wemby. I’m pointing out that you clearly have no idea what you’re talking about.
1. You said Europeans(Wemby) have way better fundamentals such as screen setting, among other things.
2. I pointed out that Wemby is actually much worse as a screen setter than Lively.
3. Therefore it’s not really a fundamentals issue because Wemby is clearly a very sound player. It’s just a NBA skill that they both need to work on.

I don’t know how to dumb that down any further for you.

I get that you only look at box scores to tell you how good a player is but still. (Lively) “be very happy, if he could get a second contract” is kinda corny. The kids gonna be fine.

I don't have idea? 15 years old kids in Europe know much more about baseball, skill wise and tactical wise, than college kids. That's why Luka and Jokic can be better than American athletic freaks. Wemby, being bigger than Lively, can do things, which Lively will never be capable off. That's why I would expect that a player, who have 0 offensive skills, would at least know how to set screens. What exactly have they taught him since he started playing basketball? He's big, long and solid athlete and that's more or less it. I hope he was really badly coached and he can become solid player in few years time. He's unplayable at the moment, if you want to win games.

[BeiBeau]

I'd much rather he continued to spend his time with Tyson and doesn't inherit any of Powells poor defensive and rebounding habits.

That’s an of a bit brain dead idea. Powell is a poor defender and rebounder because of ability. Not effort or habits.

When was the last time Chandler ran a P&R with Luka? Does he know how he likes his screens? Or as much about the Mavs offense?

I was speaking about defense, not sure where you inferred any reference about offense from, Mr braindead.

I'd rather he focuses on defense at this point and whilst Powell has a ton of effort, that is pretty much about it defensifely and rebounding wise. His positioning and boxout aren't particularly good but I'm sure you'd struggle to see that with your objectively operating remaining handful of brain cells.

But to answer your braindead question if you are capable of understanding how time works - Luka and Chandler might have ever so slighly not overlapped in their careers - but guess who Chandler did run great PnRs with? A certain JKidd.

I was talking about setting screens. Not sure why you brought up defense. If you want to play this game.

Don’t say dumb stuff bro if you don’t want it to get called out. You don’t have to be so sensitive. I was talking about Powell’s ability to show Lively how to set good screens which is one thing Lively can learn between now and training camp. Powell’s rotations and positioning are fine he’s and undersized center with a negative wing span.

Idk if you know this but Jason Kidd is retired. When Lively is on the court it’s Luka who he’s setting up. Tyson Chandler will be an amazing mentor for Lively but there are other people who can teach him specific aspects of the game better. And when it comes to setting screens and rolling to the spots Luka wants Powell knows more than anybody.

[BeiBeau]

Luka is not setting screens too, but was still multiple MVP and gold medalist with 18 years, while number 1 pick was playing video games. Super stars normally are not setting screens, defensive Cs for sure are.

You can't be serious and arguing about fundamentals between Wemby and Lively? First will earn around billion and second be very happy, if he could get second contract.

Lmao superstars don’t set screens? Someone should tell that to Jokic. Bigs set screens buddy. Whether they’re a superstar or a scrub. Have you ever played or watched basketball? Like what?

I’m not arguing that Lively has better skills than Wemby. I’m pointing out that you clearly have no idea what you’re talking about.
1. You said Europeans(Wemby) have way better fundamentals such as screen setting, among other things.
2. I pointed out that Wemby is actually much worse as a screen setter than Lively.
3. Therefore it’s not really a fundamentals issue because Wemby is clearly a very sound player. It’s just a NBA skill that they both need to work on.

I don’t know how to dumb that down any further for you.

I get that you only look at box scores to tell you how good a player is but still. (Lively) “be very happy, if he could get a second contract” is kinda corny. The kids gonna be fine.

I don't have idea? 15 years old kids in Europe know much more about baseball, skill wise and tactical wise, than college kids. That's why Luka and Jokic can be better than American athletic freaks. Wemby, being bigger than Lively, can do things, which Lively will never be capable off. That's why I would expect that a player, who have 0 offensive skills, would at least know how to set screens. What exactly have they taught him since he started playing basketball? He's big, long and solid athlete and that's more or less it. I hope he was really badly coached and he can become solid player in few years time. He's unplayable at the moment, if you want to win games.

I’m gonna have to let you keep being completely ignorant bud.

Lively has some offensive skills. Are they polished or NBA ready? No. But we’ve seen his passing skills, we’ve seen a semblance of a jumper. He needs to get really good at screens between now and the start of the season which is totally do able. But your argument is weak

1. If screens are so easy
2. Then why is the most polished big man we’ve seen in decades(Wemby) absolute **** at them?

I’d really like to stop having to break stuff down into lists for you. So please answer the question so we can be done.

[Bob8]

Lmao superstars don’t set screens? Someone should tell that to Jokic. Bigs set screens buddy. Whether they’re a superstar or a scrub. Have you ever played or watched basketball? Like what?

I’m not arguing that Lively has better skills than Wemby. I’m pointing out that you clearly have no idea what you’re talking about.
1. You said Europeans(Wemby) have way better fundamentals such as screen setting, among other things.
2. I pointed out that Wemby is actually much worse as a screen setter than Lively.
3. Therefore it’s not really a fundamentals issue because Wemby is clearly a very sound player. It’s just a NBA skill that they both need to work on.

I don’t know how to dumb that down any further for you.

I get that you only look at box scores to tell you how good a player is but still. (Lively) “be very happy, if he could get a second contract” is kinda corny. The kids gonna be fine.

I don't have idea? 15 years old kids in Europe know much more about baseball, skill wise and tactical wise, than college kids. That's why Luka and Jokic can be better than American athletic freaks. Wemby, being bigger than Lively, can do things, which Lively will never be capable off. That's why I would expect that a player, who have 0 offensive skills, would at least know how to set screens. What exactly have they taught him since he started playing basketball? He's big, long and solid athlete and that's more or less it. I hope he was really badly coached and he can become solid player in few years time. He's unplayable at the moment, if you want to win games.

I’m gonna have to let you keep being completely ignorant bud.

Lively has some offensive skills. Are they polished or NBA ready? No. But we’ve seen his passing skills, we’ve seen a semblance of a jumper. He needs to get really good at screens between now and the start of the season which is totally do able. But your argument is weak

1. If screens are so easy
2. Then why is the most polished big man we’ve seen in decades(Wemby) absolute **** at them?

I’d really like to stop having to break stuff down into lists for you. So please answer the question so we can be done.

Did you watch Wemby in Europe? They have built a team around him, which ended being second best in France. Not the best European league, but still pretty good professional league, playing against basketball professionals and not future doctors, lawyers...His role there was not setting screens, but being focal point of their offense. (I doubt anyone sane would expect or risk for a player that young and built like him to set screens against much stronger opponents.). They tried to develop his shooting , creating and ball handling primarily, and it looks to me that they were pretty successful.

Lively on the other hand will make or break his career as defensive C, so setting good screens will be very important, because it doesn't look that he will be able to shoot, post, ball handle or create anytime soon.

[Darren]

Rookies make rookies' mistakes. Bounce back strong. This game, I am more impressed with OMax who has done exactly what DFS done when the team is struggling. I don't know how to explain but Lively plays smaller than the actual size this game when it comes to rim protection. Rebounding and finishing are both steadily improving. But I don't like most of the fouls. Lively seemingly can't jump carrying some fouls.

Lively and OMax could be defensive leaders like Tyson and Matrix. When your teammates are relying on you, you strive to lead the group to the promise land. Learn to cope with negative emotions just like Kawhi. Make the right decisions despite being bothered by negative emotions. Don't let them bother your game. Stay strong. This is indeed the biggest thing I want Josh Green to overcome as well.

[Michaellam1987]

I also wouldn't be opposed to getting PJ Washington on like a 2 year deal (2nd year player option) in a sign and trade for THJ. If talks completely break down in Charlotte, they might just send him out for scraps. But a long term deal hinders future moves from Dallas. Ideally you need him at just 1 year.

Or a more complicated double sign and trade can happen. PJ for CWood. Both sign for 1 year deals just so they'd have teams for the coming season and then both try again next summer. Seems like a win win for all parties. Im sure even the players want that rather than signing for the vet minimum somewhere.

If CHA like Wood, they can just sign him directly. What is the point to do a sign and trade with DAL and get a negative asset in THJ?

THJ isn't a negative asset. However you're spot on about the rest - absolutely 0 point in anyone S&Ting for Wood if they can probably just sign him directly for cheap at this point.

Don't get me wrong. I respect THJ, and he is a decent NBA player, but together with his 17M salary with 2 more years, while being only acceptable scorer, with average shooting %, below average defense, average ball handling skills, no rebound, no asset, no steal, no block, and already 31 years old. All these combined together, it meets a definition of negative asset, of course it is not a very negative one.

[Darren]

Kawhi Leonard is cold blooded with bright mind. I think the Mavs young players should learn something. Letting negative emotions going is just like you keep one mistake and multiply it into many others. Under negative emotions, you can't think clearly and make the right play. At the end, you set yourself up for the failure. Are you really defeated by the opponent? Think about it. Figure out how to react differently next time.

[Darren]

If CHA like Wood, they can just sign him directly. What is the point to do a sign and trade with DAL and get a negative asset in THJ?

THJ isn't a negative asset. However you're spot on about the rest - absolutely 0 point in anyone S&Ting for Wood if they can probably just sign him directly for cheap at this point.

Don't get me wrong. I respect THJ, and he is a decent NBA player, but together with his 17M salary with 2 more years, while being only acceptable scorer, with average shooting %, below average defense, average ball handling skills, no rebound, no asset, no steal, no block, and already 31 years old. All these combined together, it meets a definition of negative asset, of course it is not a very negative one.

I agree. If Hardaway has positive contract, the Mavs should have got something done already.

[BeiBeau]

I don't have idea? 15 years old kids in Europe know much more about baseball, skill wise and tactical wise, than college kids. That's why Luka and Jokic can be better than American athletic freaks. Wemby, being bigger than Lively, can do things, which Lively will never be capable off. That's why I would expect that a player, who have 0 offensive skills, would at least know how to set screens. What exactly have they taught him since he started playing basketball? He's big, long and solid athlete and that's more or less it. I hope he was really badly coached and he can become solid player in few years time. He's unplayable at the moment, if you want to win games.

I’m gonna have to let you keep being completely ignorant bud.

Lively has some offensive skills. Are they polished or NBA ready? No. But we’ve seen his passing skills, we’ve seen a semblance of a jumper. He needs to get really good at screens between now and the start of the season which is totally do able. But your argument is weak

1. If screens are so easy
2. Then why is the most polished big man we’ve seen in decades(Wemby) absolute **** at them?

I’d really like to stop having to break stuff down into lists for you. So please answer the question so we can be done.

Did you watch Wemby in Europe? They have built a team around him, which ended being second best in France. Not the best European league, but still pretty good professional league, playing against basketball professionals and not future doctors, lawyers...His role there was not setting screens, but being focal point of their offense. (I doubt anyone sane would expect or risk for a player that young and built like him to set screens against much stronger opponents.). They tried to develop his shooting , creating and ball handling primarily, and it looks to me that they were pretty successful.

Lively on the other hand will make or break his career as defensive C, so setting good screens will be very important, because it doesn't look that he will be able to shoot, post, ball handle or create anytime soon.

Awe. So here comes the excuses. Big men set screens. No one is dodging screens for a star because of injury, look at Jokic. Why we throwing Lively under the bus while the generational talent gets a pass. Duke had some of the worst point guard play in the country last year and in high school lively was a man amongst boys. I don’t know why you can’t understand this but nobody has taught him to set NBA screens yet and he’s still better then then once in a generation ultra skilled prospect at that.

[bobsquad]

Hardaway and a 2nd for Bogdanovic. Pistons tank. Dallas contends with the all Aussie rotation

I was so confused by this comment about the Aussie rotation. It just hit me that you're confusing "Bogey" with Andrew Bogut

[Bob8]

I’m gonna have to let you keep being completely ignorant bud.

Lively has some offensive skills. Are they polished or NBA ready? No. But we’ve seen his passing skills, we’ve seen a semblance of a jumper. He needs to get really good at screens between now and the start of the season which is totally do able. But your argument is weak

1. If screens are so easy
2. Then why is the most polished big man we’ve seen in decades(Wemby) absolute **** at them?

I’d really like to stop having to break stuff down into lists for you. So please answer the question so we can be done.

Did you watch Wemby in Europe? They have built a team around him, which ended being second best in France. Not the best European league, but still pretty good professional league, playing against basketball professionals and not future doctors, lawyers...His role there was not setting screens, but being focal point of their offense. (I doubt anyone sane would expect or risk for a player that young and built like him to set screens against much stronger opponents.). They tried to develop his shooting , creating and ball handling primarily, and it looks to me that they were pretty successful.

Lively on the other hand will make or break his career as defensive C, so setting good screens will be very important, because it doesn't look that he will be able to shoot, post, ball handle or create anytime soon.

Awe. So here comes the excuses. Big men set screens. No one is dodging screens for a star because of injury, look at Jokic. Why we throwing Lively under the bus while the generational talent gets a pass. Duke had some of the worst point guard play in the country last year and in high school lively was a man amongst boys. I don’t know why you can’t understand this but nobody has taught him to set NBA screens yet and he’s still better then then once in a generation ultra skilled prospect at that.

We have all seen what Wemby can do. And what exactly have they taught Lively?

Jokic and Wemby are not having exactly the same physical strength, so I kinda doubt Wemby can play like Jokic. The biggest issue with Wemby will be his health, so I doubt very much they will force him being physical.

[dirkules_41]

That’s an of a bit brain dead idea. Powell is a poor defender and rebounder because of ability. Not effort or habits.

When was the last time Chandler ran a P&R with Luka? Does he know how he likes his screens? Or as much about the Mavs offense?

I was speaking about defense, not sure where you inferred any reference about offense from, Mr braindead.

I'd rather he focuses on defense at this point and whilst Powell has a ton of effort, that is pretty much about it defensifely and rebounding wise. His positioning and boxout aren't particularly good but I'm sure you'd struggle to see that with your objectively operating remaining handful of brain cells.

But to answer your braindead question if you are capable of understanding how time works - Luka and Chandler might have ever so slighly not overlapped in their careers - but guess who Chandler did run great PnRs with? A certain JKidd.

I was talking about setting screens. Not sure why you brought up defense. If you want to play this game.

Don’t say dumb stuff bro if you don’t want it to get called out. You don’t have to be so sensitive. I was talking about Powell’s ability to show Lively how to set good screens which is one thing Lively can learn between now and training camp. Powell’s rotations and positioning are fine he’s and undersized center with a negative wing span.

Idk if you know this but Jason Kidd is retired. When Lively is on the court it’s Luka who he’s setting up. Tyson Chandler will be an amazing mentor for Lively but there are other people who can teach him specific aspects of the game better. And when it comes to setting screens and rolling to the spots Luka wants Powell knows more than anybody.

I was not the one talking dumb **** - you inferred things that were never said and started hurling insults around with your limited 2 square inch horizon.

The point was: if it comes down to who I want Lively to spend his limited amount of time per day with it's with the Mavs greatest ever center, not the Mavs greatest ever towel waiver. But apparently that is not something that your tiny brain can process, so it goes on a completely unrelated distraction rant instead. And I'm sure he will be just fine without Dwight Powells magic moving screen lessons.

[dirkules_41]

THJ isn't a negative asset. However you're spot on about the rest - absolutely 0 point in anyone S&Ting for Wood if they can probably just sign him directly for cheap at this point.

Don't get me wrong. I respect THJ, and he is a decent NBA player, but together with his 17M salary with 2 more years, while being only acceptable scorer, with average shooting %, below average defense, average ball handling skills, no rebound, no asset, no steal, no block, and already 31 years old. All these combined together, it meets a definition of negative asset, of course it is not a very negative one.

I agree. If Hardaway has positive contract, the Mavs should have got something done already.

See reply on the offseason thread.

[Darren]

That’s an of a bit brain dead idea. Powell is a poor defender and rebounder because of ability. Not effort or habits.

When was the last time Chandler ran a P&R with Luka? Does he know how he likes his screens? Or as much about the Mavs offense?

I was speaking about defense, not sure where you inferred any reference about offense from, Mr braindead.

I'd rather he focuses on defense at this point and whilst Powell has a ton of effort, that is pretty much about it defensifely and rebounding wise. His positioning and boxout aren't particularly good but I'm sure you'd struggle to see that with your objectively operating remaining handful of brain cells.

But to answer your braindead question if you are capable of understanding how time works - Luka and Chandler might have ever so slighly not overlapped in their careers - but guess who Chandler did run great PnRs with? A certain JKidd.

Dwight Powell can only teach how to gain muscles in the gym and how to wave towels

I think the teaching stuff is overstated. Yes, Powell is the best rim runner and finisher on court. But I think a set of video tape is enough. The only barrier to starting is consistency and smartness. Among all skills, avoiding foul troubles and consistency is real barrier. As a rim runner, the best way to learn is practising with Luka and Kyrie.

Statistics wise, it is
PER, Defensive rating, win share, opponents percentage, rebounding rate, blocks per foul ratio, turnovers ratio, etc. I don't get why Lively need incompetent leaguers for practice. Lively should spend time to study the opponents, though. Energy, effort, and consistent shooting strokes are the intangibles that do not reflected by real statistics. Last season, the Mavs has a problem of losing to lesser teams. Don't look down on opponents. Prepare well for games. Even playing Texas Legends, random nba teams can still lost. Don't take things for granted.

Professionalism is the only thing worthwhile for Powell. If a short-armed Powell takes minutes from Lively, then something must go really wrong. But I seriously doubt professionalism can be taught. The Mavs is just making up a reason for overpaying Powell. I'd rather have Dirk being the mentor, not Powell.

[Darren]

Dirk can actually teach Lively how to prepare for games, avoid major injuries, shoot with right mechanics and rhythm, guard perimeter oriented players, how to control tempers, etc. Not limited to set screens, bulk up or finish the rim. Powell is also not a good screener. Not very good coming off injury. Not protecting the rim without giving up rebound positioning. For the off ball movements, it could be done watching videos. For example, for rebounding, study Larry Nance and Andrew Drummond; for rim protection, study Gobert and Maxi; defending stretch big, watch Powell. I am not mad the Mavs want to retain Powell. But I think Tyson and Dirk are actually more meaningful mentors to Lively.

[Mavrelous]

Has the game started? It still hasn't on NBA app

[dirkules_41]

Yep, first quarter just finished.

[Dirk]

Has the game started? It still hasn't on NBA app

https://www.mavs.com/slstream/

[Mavrelous]

Flopping tech on Hardy, Mazal Tov young guy...