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Miami Heat Offseason Thread 8.0 - 47 cRonin and the inevitable seppuku

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Re: Miami Heat Offseason Thread 8.0 - 47 cRonin and the inevitable seppuku 

Post#1701 » by fishfuego. » Tue Jul 11, 2023 4:31 pm

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As a Blazers fan I don't want to get too back and forth with all of this, but the salary thing with Dame (and being a reason he's not getting back good offers) is way off base. The thing that so many people don't understand about NBA contracts is cap%. If you go back to just 7 years ago to the last big salary cap jump, you would all think these contracts that these FAs just this last week are getting would be franchise crippling deals. They're not. Including Dame's.

Not to be patronizing, I'm sure this is basic for many here. But the simple fact is, Dame's contract moving forward is perfectly in line with most players his caliber and age. For example

Steph Curry:
23/24 - Age 35 - salary is 38% of the leagues salary cap
24/25 - Age 36 - salary is 39% of the leagues salary cap
Damian Lillard:
25/26 - Age 35 - salary is 37% of the leagues salary cap
26/27 - Age 36 - salary is 36% of the leagues salary cap

Damian Lillard will be making the equivalent of what Steph Curry is making this year and next year at his age 35 and age 36 years. Do you think Golden State would pick up the phone today for a Tyler Herro offer? Even if they were rebuilding? Do you think GS could do Wayyy better than that offer? The answer is likely yes. And he's already at 35 years old. Dame is still 32. Steph is a clearly more accomplished player, but they're the same realm of player.

Portland can't get better offers, not because of his contract, but because Dame and his agent have suppressed the market in the media. This is why Portland is in no rush to move him, and will likely wait until they soften their stance on other teams, and more offers roll in.

If you truly believe that teams are not looking at age vs money, then there shouldn’t be another discussion here.
Just because a hand full of players will get that huge bag at the age of 36/37, doesn’t make it less concerning. Physical declination at such age is a fact of life, not some mystical tale. Those other teams will live with their player’s cost as a payment for years of commitment, in Miami’s case it is purely due to a window that is closing fast, Butler’s window. Nothing else.


Agreed! The current contract was earned in Portland and given as a legacy contract by them… Dame’s next team has had zero benefit over the 11 years that Dame earned this contract through. His next team will carry all the burden of such a contract with zero to show for it and all they can do is hope that he can still live up to at least a high fraction of its cost!

Dame is a high risk.. HOPEFULLY a high reward type of move. History does not favor us though because as fishfuego so elegantly put it… “Physical declination at such age is a fact of life, not some mystical tale.”

Your previous post was spot on. I couldn’t have said nor described it any better.

Miami is in this unique situation of acting now with a very tight window. Other teams are simply not in the same situation.
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Re: Miami Heat Offseason Thread 8.0 - 47 cRonin and the inevitable seppuku 

Post#1702 » by gom » Tue Jul 11, 2023 4:37 pm

Lillard and Curry. Hmmm... is there some difference between these two players that might make Golden State more amenable to paying Curry than MIami paying Lillard? I can't quite figure it out. Oh that's right:

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Re: Miami Heat Offseason Thread 8.0 - 47 cRonin and the inevitable seppuku 

Post#1703 » by Grumpy Heat Fan » Tue Jul 11, 2023 4:48 pm

what did Cronin get when he traded away CJ Mccollum?
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Post#1704 » by insfo » Tue Jul 11, 2023 4:58 pm

gom wrote:Lillard and Curry. Hmmm... is there some difference between these two players that might make Golden State more amenable to paying Curry than MIami paying Lillard? I can't quite figure it out. Oh that's right:

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Post#1705 » by SoFlaKingReal » Tue Jul 11, 2023 5:09 pm

Grumpy Heat Fan wrote:what did Cronin get when he traded away CJ Mccollum?


Basically Josh Hart and a future protected first.
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Post#1706 » by heatlejuice » Tue Jul 11, 2023 5:10 pm

gom wrote:Lillard and Curry. Hmmm... is there some difference between these two players that might make Golden State more amenable to paying Curry than MIami paying Lillard? I can't quite figure it out. Oh that's right:

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Post#1707 » by MorbidHEAT » Tue Jul 11, 2023 5:10 pm

I hope they sell the Lillard jersey in one of the vice styles.
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Post#1708 » by miamiballer » Tue Jul 11, 2023 5:10 pm

Anyone else think Cronin has one of the more punchable faces of all time
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Post#1709 » by Rapaz » Tue Jul 11, 2023 5:28 pm

miamiballer wrote:Anyone else think Cronin has one of the more punchable faces of all time


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Re: Miami Heat Offseason Thread 8.0 - 47 cRonin and the inevitable seppuku 

Post#1710 » by jaseda510 » Tue Jul 11, 2023 5:34 pm

contract wrote:Before I forget again ... does anyone know if Yurt and his agent ever found another team that "values him"? :lol:


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Re: Miami Heat Offseason Thread 8.0 - 47 cRonin and the inevitable seppuku 

Post#1711 » by contract » Tue Jul 11, 2023 5:34 pm

Tony15 wrote:And the sooner Cronin realizes this, the sooner this gets finalized. He can crow all he wants (don't blame him), but he knows he botched this the moment he came out and lied about the initial meeting with Dame being productive. We likely don't know the whole story obviously, but appearances are everything these days.....and now the dude has to save face. He's leveraged out his eyeballs, and every other team in the league knows it at this point.

EDIT: Oh and even POR own fanbase realizes it apparently based on what I'm reading lol

There's no benefit to Cronin to finalize it soon. He doesn't need to win a staring contest with Pat Riley, he needs to win a staring contest with Dame ... who I assume loves basketball and wants to play.
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Post#1712 » by contract » Tue Jul 11, 2023 5:37 pm

fishfuego. wrote:
MiamiLoyal926 wrote:
fishfuego. wrote:If you truly believe that teams are not looking at age vs money, then there shouldn’t be another discussion here.
Just because a hand full of players will get that huge bag at the age of 36/37, doesn’t make it less concerning. Physical declination at such age is a fact of life, not some mystical tale. Those other teams will live with their player’s cost as a payment for years of commitment, in Miami’s case it is purely due to a window that is closing fast, Butler’s window. Nothing else.


Agreed! The current contract was earned in Portland and given as a legacy contract by them… Dame’s next team has had zero benefit over the 11 years that Dame earned this contract through. His next team will carry all the burden of such a contract with zero to show for it and all they can do is hope that he can still live up to at least a high fraction of its cost!

Dame is a high risk.. HOPEFULLY a high reward type of move. History does not favor us though because as fishfuego so elegantly put it… “Physical declination at such age is a fact of life, not some mystical tale.”

Your previous post was spot on. I couldn’t have said nor described it any better.

Miami is in this unique situation of acting now with a very tight window. Other teams are simply not in the same situation.

Portland doesn't need those draft picks today. The draft is next June. There's no reason for him to be in a hurry.
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Re: Miami Heat Offseason Thread 8.0 - 47 cRonin and the inevitable seppuku 

Post#1713 » by 3ammy3uck3ts » Tue Jul 11, 2023 5:55 pm

Curry is better but has he won any rings Dame wouldn’t have if you swapped the 2? Maybe his most recent?
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Re: Miami Heat Offseason Thread 8.0 - 47 cRonin and the inevitable seppuku 

Post#1714 » by Daffy » Tue Jul 11, 2023 5:57 pm

ICC where you at. Don't think I've seen you post for the day. That's not like you.
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Re: Miami Heat Offseason Thread 8.0 - 47 cRonin and the inevitable seppuku 

Post#1715 » by 3ammy3uck3ts » Tue Jul 11, 2023 5:57 pm

Daffy wrote:ICC where you at. Don't think I've seen you post for the day. That's not like you.


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Re: Miami Heat Offseason Thread 8.0 - 47 cRonin and the inevitable seppuku 

Post#1716 » by Rapaz » Tue Jul 11, 2023 6:10 pm

Daffy wrote:ICC where you at. Don't think I've seen you post for the day. That's not like you.

He's at the nugget factory. He gets off his shift in a few hours.
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Re: Miami Heat Offseason Thread 8.0 - 47 cRonin and the inevitable seppuku 

Post#1717 » by miamiballer » Tue Jul 11, 2023 6:13 pm

Would be very sweet to get a shams bomb that Portland is in serious discussions to send Damian lillard to heat today
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Post#1718 » by CrossOver » Tue Jul 11, 2023 6:13 pm

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Post#1719 » by miamiballer » Tue Jul 11, 2023 6:15 pm

I hope and believe that the blazers have an actual deadline and that if no team steps up they’ll circle back and get back to us
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Post#1720 » by ShulaDon92 » Tue Jul 11, 2023 6:16 pm

contract wrote:
Tony15 wrote:And the sooner Cronin realizes this, the sooner this gets finalized. He can crow all he wants (don't blame him), but he knows he botched this the moment he came out and lied about the initial meeting with Dame being productive. We likely don't know the whole story obviously, but appearances are everything these days.....and now the dude has to save face. He's leveraged out his eyeballs, and every other team in the league knows it at this point.

EDIT: Oh and even POR own fanbase realizes it apparently based on what I'm reading lol

There's no benefit to Cronin to finalize it soon. He doesn't need to win a staring contest with Pat Riley, he needs to win a staring contest with Dame ... who I assume loves basketball and wants to play.



Cronin has no pressure to trade, he can tank and get assets for the rebuild if Dame sits out

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