Trade/Free Agency Thread, part Ocho, 2023-24

[bigfoot_cryptozoology]

This I can believe...

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Isn't 27 fake? I though droppingdime20 was the real one

If he's good enough for Stool Greenie, he's good enough for me...

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But seriously, it's all fun and games until someone gets hurt...

[Andrew McCeltic]

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F&ck it, he looks pretty good. And he's listed at 6'11", 240 lbs but in this vid he looks closer to 6'10" but that's still good size. Still young (age 25), Tatum's close friend. At least give him like a non-guaranteed deal so can compete for a roster spot in training camp.

If that’s the “workout” it’s meaningless. He’s not going game speed, and he looks like he’s lost even more athleticism. I loved his talent even after the injuries - the rebounding instinct, shot blocking timing, flashes of vision as a passer, the quick, compact hook shots.

But to put all that together, through constant injuries and missed development time.. he’s the longest of long shots.

[BK_2020]

I refuse to believe even Jaylen Brown can be so delusional as to think he's entitled to a NTC.

[165bows]

This team is not paying Bey lol.

[hugepatsfan]

This team is not paying Bey lol.

Long-term? Probably not. But maybe you could send some 2nds for him now as an expiring and then next year flip him for those second back like we did with Grant this year?

[sam_I_am]

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F&ck it, he looks pretty good. And he's listed at 6'11", 240 lbs but in this vid he looks closer to 6'10" but that's still good size. Still young (age 25), Tatum's close friend. At least give him like a non-guaranteed deal so can compete for a roster spot in training camp.

If that’s the “workout” it’s meaningless. He’s not going game speed, and he looks like he’s lost even more athleticism. I loved his talent even after the injuries - the rebounding instinct, shot blocking timing, flashes of vision as a passer, the quick, compact hook shots.

But to put all that together, through constant injuries and missed development time.. he’s the longest of long shots.

I wouldn’t mind seeing him in training camp but he looks like a slower less athletic Noah Vonleh in that video.

[BK_2020]

Another fun fact about Jaylen Brown. Ever since he became the 2nd option, his scoring numbers drop in the playoffs.
In 21-22, 34.9 per 100 in the RS to 30.3
In 22-23, 36.2 per 100 in the RS to 30.5
And his TOV% ballons.
21-22, 11.6% to 13.4
22-23, 11.4% to 14.2
Definitely the signs of a playoff performer who gets better as the competition gets sharper.

[bigfoot_cryptozoology]

I refuse to believe even Jaylen Brown can be so delusional as to think he's entitled to a NTC.

Jaylen thinks a lot of things which are delusional, so why should this be any different?
Still, in the end, you're better off with him this season...

[Celts17Pride]

I refuse to believe even Jaylen Brown can be so delusional as to think he's entitled to a NTC.

Jaylen thinks a lot of things which are delusional, so why should this be any different?
Still, in the end, you're better off with him this season...

All of this is just the biggest non story and just fodder for all the Jaylen Brown haters.

If I am Jaylen Brown I'm asking for the world. It's a negotiation!!!

I'm asking for NTC, the biggest trade kicker possible, options, highest dollars possible, maximum number of years etc. Whatever I could get. Just like 99.999999999% of all NBA players would ask for.

Just total nonsense.

[SuperDeluxe]

I refuse to believe even Jaylen Brown can be so delusional as to think he's entitled to a NTC.

Jaylen thinks a lot of things which are delusional, so why should this be any different?
Still, in the end, you're better off with him this season...

All of this is just the biggest non story and just fodder for all the Jaylen Brown haters.

If I am Jaylen Brown I'm asking for the world. It's a negotiation!!!

I'm asking for NTC, the biggest trade kicker possible, options, highest dollars possible, maximum number of years etc. Whatever I could get. Just like 99.999999999% of all NBA players would ask for.

Just total nonsense.

He can ask for whatever he wants, but Brad can pick up the phone and trade him right now to any team where his base salary will be much lower than what the C's are likely offering.

[Celts17Pride]

Jaylen thinks a lot of things which are delusional, so why should this be any different?
Still, in the end, you're better off with him this season...

All of this is just the biggest non story and just fodder for all the Jaylen Brown haters.

If I am Jaylen Brown I'm asking for the world. It's a negotiation!!!

I'm asking for NTC, the biggest trade kicker possible, options, highest dollars possible, maximum number of years etc. Whatever I could get. Just like 99.999999999% of all NBA players would ask for.

Just total nonsense.

He can ask for whatever he wants, but Brad can pick up the phone and trade him right now to any team where his base salary will be much lower than what the C's are likely offering.

So, what's the point?

[steefP2]

I refuse to believe even Jaylen Brown can be so delusional as to think he's entitled to a NTC.

He cannot get one. It’s impossible. He’s not signing a new contract really; this is an extension so for the extension to contain a ntc the contract preceding it which the extension is based on should also have the ntc; which we know it doesn’t

[SuperDeluxe]

All of this is just the biggest non story and just fodder for all the Jaylen Brown haters.

If I am Jaylen Brown I'm asking for the world. It's a negotiation!!!

I'm asking for NTC, the biggest trade kicker possible, options, highest dollars possible, maximum number of years etc. Whatever I could get. Just like 99.999999999% of all NBA players would ask for.

Just total nonsense.

He can ask for whatever he wants, but Brad can pick up the phone and trade him right now to any team where his base salary will be much lower than what the C's are likely offering.

So, what's the point?

The point of what? You ask for the moon and more, which anybody knows you're not worth, but you're taking a risk. Because you may earn less than the moon elsewhere.

Please let me know if you need subtitles in other languages, or maybe a financial breakdown.

[bigfoot_cryptozoology]

Jaylen thinks a lot of things which are delusional, so why should this be any different?
Still, in the end, you're better off with him this season...

All of this is just the biggest non story and just fodder for all the Jaylen Brown haters.

If I am Jaylen Brown I'm asking for the world. It's a negotiation!!!

I'm asking for NTC, the biggest trade kicker possible, options, highest dollars possible, maximum number of years etc. Whatever I could get. Just like 99.999999999% of all NBA players would ask for.

Just total nonsense.

He can ask for whatever he wants, but Brad can pick up the phone and trade him right now to any team where his base salary will be much lower than what the C's are likely offering.

Sure, he can trade him, which I would be in favor of, but for 75 percent of what he's worth. How does that help the Celtics contend
this season? It seems to set them back.

[Celts17Pride]

He can ask for whatever he wants, but Brad can pick up the phone and trade him right now to any team where his base salary will be much lower than what the C's are likely offering.

So, what's the point?

The point of what? You ask for the moon and more, which anybody knows you're not worth, but you're taking a risk. Because you may earn less than the moon elsewhere.

Please let me know if you need subtitles in other languages, or maybe a financial breakdown.

That's why it's called a negotiation.

[ryan in Maine]

This is an extension; for that to contain a ntc it has to be in the previous contract on which the extension is based. Also ddb stop pretending you have sources: you haven’t heard ****

DDB has been here a lot longer than yourself. He has had stuff that has been vetted and verified in the past.

Thanks. Also, I don't claim to be some "insider". Every once in a while, I hear a little birdie from people I've known for many years that work on the hoops operation side within NBA circles. It stemmed from the Spurs years ago, but I also worked with the Bruins during the Celtics title season and got to know people there as well. Years later these folks are spread out across the league. I loosely keep in touch. The conversations are casual, I'm not bugging people asking what they know.
Just because I say, "hey I heard Celts are in on Dame and players are talking to Dame about playing in Boston" doesn't mean I know that with certainty. I guess I was validated though as the following two days were filled with that exact sentiment. But when I say I heard that, I actually heard that from someone that is closer to that stuff than I am.

It's all good. I've long enjoyed sharing opinions and talking hoops with fellow fans that are knowledgeable and passionate about the Celtics and NBA

You're brave for putting yourself out there at all. It's unfortunate that it's not appreciated.

My stepdad worked at MCI in the nineties into the aughts. I got to meet several future stars including one of our recent bench additions. More recently, the Portland Seadogs and Redclaws rookies used to mow my mom's lawn in North Deering. More recently yet I've chilled at Branch Lake with Cooper Flagg and his fam.

Don't ask me ****.

[165bows]

This team is not paying Bey lol.

Long-term? Probably not. But maybe you could send some 2nds for him now as an expiring and then next year flip him for those second back like we did with Grant this year?

Well it's very relevant in light of your other post above. This team can make a few wiggles and land space for a guy making ~5-6M+. Is that guy Bey? I highly, highly doubt it - they went to great lengths last year to note why it wasn't likely they were getting a buy-out wing. Ie, there was no minutes left to play.

In other words, why shoot their last modest wad on a guy that hasn't shown he's ready for where they are going (he was active but blah, -34 over six games in their first round series) and is going to want to play, and isn't even cheap? It's not just whatever it takes to get him, but more he doesn't fit $-wise and roster-wise on the team. People always beg for a wing, they've said they aren't looking for one unless they can be like Blake Griffin, just cool on the bench until needed if at all.

But in responding to your other post, who would they actually want in that range? If they move PP, I'd think a guard, though not too many obvious choices. I've pitched Cole Anthony, but that's kind of random speculation. Wright/Caruso we've talked about, though not sure even possible in this $-wise in this context. Maybe they just want Gallo back lol.

[snowman]

I could 100% see the Celtics figuring out a way to get Saddiq Bey and or Deandre Hunter

Brad is probably trying to turn Brown into Siakam and Bey, three team deal of some sorts. I could sign off on Siakam and Bey for Brown and filler. Brown to Atlanta (where his would probably resign), Hunter and Brogdon to Toronto, Siakam, Bey and Okongwu to Boston.

Atlanta Hawks Trade Breakdown
Incoming Players
Jaylen Brown
Outgoing Players
De'Andre Hunter
Onyeka Okongwu
Saddiq Bey
Why for Atlanta:
They get an all-pro player without having to gut the team. Trae, Murray, Bogdanovic, Brown and Capela is a really good line up.

Boston Celtics Trade Breakdown
Incoming Players
Onyeka Okongwu
Saddiq Bey
Pascal Siakam
Outgoing Players
Jaylen Brown
Malcolm Brogdon
Why for Boston:
Boston now doesn't have to pay Brown the supermax contract and can extend Siakam for much less. They get Bey (24 years old) to replace Brown in the starting lineup, and they also get another project big in Okongwu who is just 22.
White, Bey, Tatum, Siakam, Porzingis is a killer lineup. They would need to find a PG to back up White though.

Toronto Raptors Trade Breakdown
Incoming Players
De'Andre Hunter
Malcolm Brogdon
Outgoing Players
Pascal Siakam
Why for Toronto:
They are able to move on from Siakam, and turn him into Hunter, who is younger and cheaper, and get their FVV point guard replacement in Brogdon.
Brogdon, Trent, Anunoby, Barnes, Poeltl, with Hunter, Achiuwa, Boucher, Koloko is and Porter off the bench is a good deep line up.

Picks may be needed to round things out a bit, not sure, just spit balling here.

[165bows]

Another fun fact about Jaylen Brown. Ever since he became the 2nd option, his scoring numbers drop in the playoffs.
In 21-22, 34.9 per 100 in the RS to 30.3
In 22-23, 36.2 per 100 in the RS to 30.5
And his TOV% ballons.
21-22, 11.6% to 13.4
22-23, 11.4% to 14.2
Definitely the signs of a playoff performer who gets better as the competition gets sharper.

C'mon bro got to use the adjusted stats so that this is normalized to playoff drop-offs league-wide.

[cloverleaf]

He can ask for whatever he wants, but Brad can pick up the phone and trade him right now to any team where his base salary will be much lower than what the C's are likely offering.

So, what's the point?

The point of what? You ask for the moon and more, which anybody knows you're not worth, but you're taking a risk. Because you may earn less than the moon elsewhere.

Please let me know if you need subtitles in other languages, or maybe a financial breakdown.

But he's not worth the deal even minus all those bonuses. The C's should have lowered their demands in trading him before now, but now is the time to get what they can and be done with it.