twyzted wrote:MyUniBroDavis wrote:1. Def has become lebron leaning now and it’s a few posters that are die hard fans, but also a bunch of people on here throw out pretty useless data because for a lot of people here don’t know what the individual data means or doesn’t mean. Stuff like PER and BPM and esp old BPM are completely dead, as are things like winshares which probably favor bron. Def a few users that are anti Jordan though
2. You talk a ton of **** for someone that was kissing our ass though
This is you btw, and I know from other users you sent this same copy and pasted message to multiple people
Message sent in 2018…
And why do bbref have these stats up if they are dead? Because it doesnt paint Lebron as the goat?
Seems like
ALOT of stats that dont paint Lebron as outright goat are not good enough. Kinda hilarious tbh.
And i do not understand
Jordan>lebron winning.
Jordan>lebron every adv metric not longevity dependant.
Jordan>lebron accolades.
Basicly jordan>lebron in everything not longevity based or assists(not a big gap either)
Lebron>Jordan in some patreon stat=Lebron GOAT!
Ps kinda lame to post pms
This dude has gone on a few rants about posters and called me out specifically without tagging me lmao I do not even remotely care if I’m posting PMs when it is a bit that spam sent that to every poster and now just posts “wow I hate the PC board” when bro types like a failed prototype of chatgpt
You’re implying that I’m part of the project that had Lebron above Jordan and I’m not lol.
Imo, the issue is that Data driven arguments don’t exist to support jordan because of a lack of data in the first place, it’s a bit of a dumb premise and at very best you have people looking at the drop off when jordan wasn’t there in 1994 and 1995 which I don’t personally agree with having much weight
The issue is a bunch of users throw out data like PER which is just gonna be a box score composite, that’s fine but it’s about as meaningful as looking at a full box score and deciding which one is better or not. Box score composite numbers aren’t all that useful especially if you are comparing across eras
Anyways, are people are putting in career average numbers? I don’t need to explain why that’s stupid right lol.
Im not saying the PC board isn’t biased and I don’t like the patreon stat they’re using either (if ur talking about the thinking basketball one). Im saying, data wise most of the data being cited like PER/BPM/VORP/WSp48 (which dont all favor jordan obviously it’s closer esp taking into context), are genuinely garbage stats nowadays. We don’t have better data available for the 90s, which is kind of the point, but using bad data and saying “oh by we have this” is dumb too.
It’s not that the data for jordan is bad if it supports him, I think most of the data people are using in general is bad for either side of argument, a comparison of data in a time that was pre PBP data available isn’t really all too comparable.
Whenever ur comparing pre play by play people to post play by play data it revolves more around trying to figure out how good those players were individually and then comparing them, trying to find that special metric to compare them is pretty useless because the data available is pretty bad. It’s not hard to use bad data to argue either side, I don’t see the point to do that, you can evaluate how good a player is without needing to hover to the advanced section on bbref
I absolutely do think a there are people on the PC board guilty of that as well there’s a poster that thinks cp3 is better than Kobe all time lmao
