Trade/Free Agency Thread, part Ocho, 2023-24

[Bar Fight]

I refuse to believe even Jaylen Brown can be so delusional as to think he's entitled to a NTC.

1. It isn't "delusional" to negotiate the best deal for yourself
2. He's not eligible for a NTC

[Hal14]

I could 100% see the Celtics figuring out a way to get Saddiq Bey and or Deandre Hunter

Brad is probably trying to turn Brown into Siakam and Bey, three team deal of some sorts. I could sign off on Siakam and Bey for Brown and filler. Brown to Atlanta (where his would probably resign), Hunter and Brogdon to Toronto, Siakam, Bey and Okongwu to Boston.

Atlanta Hawks Trade Breakdown
Incoming Players
Jaylen Brown
Outgoing Players
De'Andre Hunter
Onyeka Okongwu
Saddiq Bey
Why for Atlanta:
They get an all-pro player without having to gut the team. Trae, Murray, Bogdanovic, Brown and Capela is a really good line up.

Boston Celtics Trade Breakdown
Incoming Players
Onyeka Okongwu
Saddiq Bey
Pascal Siakam
Outgoing Players
Jaylen Brown
Malcolm Brogdon
Why for Boston:
Boston now doesn't have to pay Brown the supermax contract and can extend Siakam for much less. They get Bey (24 years old) to replace Brown in the starting lineup, and they also get another project big in Okongwu who is just 22.
White, Bey, Tatum, Siakam, Porzingis is a killer lineup. They would need to find a PG to back up White though.

Toronto Raptors Trade Breakdown
Incoming Players
De'Andre Hunter
Malcolm Brogdon
Outgoing Players
Pascal Siakam
Why for Toronto:
They are able to move on from Siakam, and turn him into Hunter, who is younger and cheaper, and get their FVV point guard replacement in Brogdon.
Brogdon, Trent, Anunoby, Barnes, Poeltl, with Hunter, Achiuwa, Boucher, Koloko is and Porter off the bench is a good deep line up.

Picks may be needed to round things out a bit, not sure, just spit balling here.

Sounds good - I'm in.

[The_Ghost_of_JB]

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F&ck it, he looks pretty good. And he's listed at 6'11", 240 lbs but in this vid he looks closer to 6'10" but that's still good size. Still young (age 25), Tatum's close friend. At least give him like a non-guaranteed deal so can compete for a roster spot in training camp.

If that’s the “workout” it’s meaningless. He’s not going game speed, and he looks like he’s lost even more athleticism. I loved his talent even after the injuries - the rebounding instinct, shot blocking timing, flashes of vision as a passer, the quick, compact hook shots.

But to put all that together, through constant injuries and missed development time.. he’s the longest of long shots.

Giles is terrible. He is 25, has not played in the NBA in 2 years and last time he did play he averaged 2.8 PPG and 3 RPG. To put things in prospective Luke Kornet puts up almost the same exact numbers.

[BK_2020]

Spoiler:

I could 100% see the Celtics figuring out a way to get Saddiq Bey and or Deandre Hunter

Brad is probably trying to turn Brown into Siakam and Bey, three team deal of some sorts. I could sign off on Siakam and Bey for Brown and filler. Brown to Atlanta (where his would probably resign), Hunter and Brogdon to Toronto, Siakam, Bey and Okongwu to Boston.

Atlanta Hawks Trade Breakdown
Incoming Players
Jaylen Brown
Outgoing Players
De'Andre Hunter
Onyeka Okongwu
Saddiq Bey
Why for Atlanta:
They get an all-pro player without having to gut the team. Trae, Murray, Bogdanovic, Brown and Capela is a really good line up.

Boston Celtics Trade Breakdown
Incoming Players
Onyeka Okongwu
Saddiq Bey
Pascal Siakam
Outgoing Players
Jaylen Brown
Malcolm Brogdon
Why for Boston:
Boston now doesn't have to pay Brown the supermax contract and can extend Siakam for much less. They get Bey (24 years old) to replace Brown in the starting lineup, and they also get another project big in Okongwu who is just 22.
White, Bey, Tatum, Siakam, Porzingis is a killer lineup. They would need to find a PG to back up White though.

Toronto Raptors Trade Breakdown
Incoming Players
De'Andre Hunter
Malcolm Brogdon
Outgoing Players
Pascal Siakam
Why for Toronto:
They are able to move on from Siakam, and turn him into Hunter, who is younger and cheaper, and get their FVV point guard replacement in Brogdon.
Brogdon, Trent, Anunoby, Barnes, Poeltl, with Hunter, Achiuwa, Boucher, Koloko is and Porter off the bench is a good deep line up.

Picks may be needed to round things out a bit, not sure, just spit balling here.

[BK_2020]

I refuse to believe even Jaylen Brown can be so delusional as to think he's entitled to a NTC.

1. It isn't "delusional" to negotiate the best deal for yourself
2. He's not eligible for a NTC

Believe me it's quite delusional and counterproductive to go into negotiation thinking randomly throwing out really nice things you want reality be damned. That is not good faith negotiation and doesn't get you anywhere.

[brackdan70]

Trade him.


I am firmly of the belief that, in this case, 2 nickels is worth more than Browns dime.

I also firmly believe that if Dame had Boston on his list he would be a celtic right now.

I think the problem is you don’t get two Nickles back likely. If it’s Dame as an example you have a two year window and increase the likelyhood that Tatum leaves. You probably have to give up picks so you screw you future. Is that worth it?

If you trade Brown for lesser players and picks you basically close this window. We take a step back to hang with the Hawks and Knicks of the world.

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F&ck it, he looks pretty good. And he's listed at 6'11", 240 lbs but in this vid he looks closer to 6'10" but that's still good size. Still young (age 25), Tatum's close friend. At least give him like a non-guaranteed deal so can compete for a roster spot in training camp.

If that’s the “workout” it’s meaningless. He’s not going game speed, and he looks like he’s lost even more athleticism. I loved his talent even after the injuries - the rebounding instinct, shot blocking timing, flashes of vision as a passer, the quick, compact hook shots.

But to put all that together, through constant injuries and missed development time.. he’s the longest of long shots.

I wouldn’t mind seeing him in training camp but he looks like a slower less athletic Noah Vonleh in that video.

Where's the chair?

[Bar Fight]

I refuse to believe even Jaylen Brown can be so delusional as to think he's entitled to a NTC.

1. It isn't "delusional" to negotiate the best deal for yourself
2. He's not eligible for a NTC

Believe me it's quite delusional and counterproductive to go into negotiation thinking randomly throwing out really nice things you want reality be damned. That is not good faith negotiation and doesn't get you anywhere.

It really isn't at all. Especially if you have the leverage he does. Sounds like he's doing what he's supposed to do to look out for himself. It's a moot point anyway, since he isn't eligible for a NTC

[darrendaye]

Harry Giles broke RealGm.

[BK_2020]

Is it me or is the website really really broken

[Hal14]

The point of what? You ask for the moon and more, which anybody knows you're not worth, but you're taking a risk. Because you may earn less than the moon elsewhere.

Please let me know if you need subtitles in other languages, or maybe a financial breakdown.

But he's not worth the deal even minus all those bonuses. The C's should have lowered their demands in trading him before now, but now is the time to get what they can and be done with it.

What NBA player is worth the money? Very few.

Fred VanVleet worth $42 million per year? Bradley Beal worth $52 million per year? Rudy Gobert worth $43 million per year? Ben Simmons worth $38.5 million per year? Zach LaVine worth $44 million per year?

It's the NBA, worth has nothing to do with it.

Have to look at the big picture and additional context, though. Those other teams didn't sign those guys to crazy deals, know that a year later they would have to give a supermax contract to a different player on their team (who is clearly better). Not to mention we just traded for another star making over $30 mil a year (we traded a role player only making $19 mil a year to get that star). Plus, those other players were signed under the older CBA. The new CBA is causing teams to be much more careful with spending - the new CBA is designed to stop teams from throwing crazy amounts of money at multiple star players on the same team.

Also, the teams who signed those players to those deals did not win a championship. Our goal is to win a championship. If your point is that it's ok to severely overpay your players, well I'm not seeing proof that doin so leads to championships.

[BK_2020]

This can mean only one thing. Brad is trading Jaylen Brown and Howard Mass is prepping Realgm for the ****.

[zoyathedestroya]

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Ringless. Tatum bout to join a superteam in two years if it remains that way.

Number of playoff games together, without a title: Russ & KD at 82 before the breakup. JT & JB at 88 and counting.

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[sam_I_am]

I refuse to believe even Jaylen Brown can be so delusional as to think he's entitled to a NTC.

1. It isn't "delusional" to negotiate the best deal for yourself
2. He's not eligible for a NTC

It is delusional if Brian Robb is correct and he can’t actually get one until he has 8 years in the league.

[165bows]

Long-term? Probably not. But maybe you could send some 2nds for him now as an expiring and then next year flip him for those second back like we did with Grant this year?

Well it's very relevant in light of your other post above. This team can make a few wiggles and land space for a guy making ~5-6M+. Is that guy Bey? I highly, highly doubt it - they went to great lengths last year to note why it wasn't likely they were getting a buy-out wing. Ie, there was no minutes left to play.

In other words, why shoot their last modest wad on a guy that hasn't shown he's ready for where they are going (he was active but blah, -34 over six games in their first round series) and is going to want to play, and isn't even cheap? It's not just whatever it takes to get him, but more he doesn't fit $-wise and roster-wise on the team. People always beg for a wing, they've said they aren't looking for one unless they can be like Blake Griffin, just cool on the bench until needed if at all.

But in responding to your other post, who would they actually want in that range? If they move PP, I'd think a guard, though not too many obvious choices. I've pitched Cole Anthony, but that's kind of random speculation. Wright/Caruso we've talked about, though not sure even possible in this $-wise in this context. Maybe they just want Gallo back lol.

I think there are two key differences:

1) Buyout market vs offseason market. When we had no playing time for a wing last year, it was on the buyout market. We're talking about higher caliber of players now because we're actually giving assets in these hypothetical trades and also players don't get to chase the most playing time in trades vs buyouts.

2) We essentially did a 2 for 1 playoff rotation trade of Smart/Grant for Porzingis. So now we're looking for player(s) to compete with Hauser/Pritchard for the 8th man role, while last year it was to compete with them for the 9th man role. Seems small, but huge difference because 8th guy is someone you need to play playoff minutes.

So last year it was signing a guy like Will Barton to play 15 regular season minutes a game then rot on the bench in the playoffs. Not a real important thing to prioritize over seeing if Hauser/Pritchard grow. Now, this is a fairly important role for the playoffs that is open and potentially worth pursuing with more purpose.

I think Brad likes Hauser in the 8th man role, multiple times he's mentioned wanting him to play more. So I think it's got to be better than a guy that is a high volume/high efficiency three point shooter that isn't a sieve on defense.

Also seems like the only spots with ability to actually play are at the one and the four. The five has KP/Al/Rob. Three has JT/JB/Hauser. Two has JB/Brogdon/White. In terms of guys who can play those spots. Only positions that aren't saturated at least three deep imo are the 1 and the 4, iow swing and ball handler.

[Bar Fight]

I refuse to believe even Jaylen Brown can be so delusional as to think he's entitled to a NTC.

1. It isn't "delusional" to negotiate the best deal for yourself
2. He's not eligible for a NTC

It is delusional if Brian Robb is correct and he can’t actually get one until he has 8 years in the league.

I take it you didn't read past point 1 lol

[Celts17Pride]

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about 28 minutes ago

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There goes another one.

[sam_I_am]

I could 100% see the Celtics figuring out a way to get Saddiq Bey and or Deandre Hunter

Brad is probably trying to turn Brown into Siakam and Bey, three team deal of some sorts. I could sign off on Siakam and Bey for Brown and filler. Brown to Atlanta (where his would probably resign), Hunter and Brogdon to Toronto, Siakam, Bey and Okongwu to Boston.

Atlanta Hawks Trade Breakdown
Incoming Players
Jaylen Brown
Outgoing Players
De'Andre Hunter
Onyeka Okongwu
Saddiq Bey
Why for Atlanta:
They get an all-pro player without having to gut the team. Trae, Murray, Bogdanovic, Brown and Capela is a really good line up.

Boston Celtics Trade Breakdown
Incoming Players
Onyeka Okongwu
Saddiq Bey
Pascal Siakam
Outgoing Players
Jaylen Brown
Malcolm Brogdon
Why for Boston:
Boston now doesn't have to pay Brown the supermax contract and can extend Siakam for much less. They get Bey (24 years old) to replace Brown in the starting lineup, and they also get another project big in Okongwu who is just 22.
White, Bey, Tatum, Siakam, Porzingis is a killer lineup. They would need to find a PG to back up White though.

Toronto Raptors Trade Breakdown
Incoming Players
De'Andre Hunter
Malcolm Brogdon
Outgoing Players
Pascal Siakam
Why for Toronto:
They are able to move on from Siakam, and turn him into Hunter, who is younger and cheaper, and get their FVV point guard replacement in Brogdon.
Brogdon, Trent, Anunoby, Barnes, Poeltl, with Hunter, Achiuwa, Boucher, Koloko is and Porter off the bench is a good deep line up.

Picks may be needed to round things out a bit, not sure, just spit balling here.

Sounds good - I'm in.

I wouldn’t trade a top 14 pick for any one of those Atlanta players …. and yet they get Brown? Boston gives up all-NBA player and 6MOY for an expiring Siakam and a journeyman? Literally the worst trade idea yet.

[zoyathedestroya]

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“I was speaking to a bunch of folks about this Sunday evening. The signals right now is that he will be back with the Philadelphia 76ers...as of right now, with no momentum appearing on a deal with the Los Angeles Clippers, and Philadelphia still needing what [Harden] does without finding a replacement for him, it looks like there’s a pathway for him to come back to the Sixers next year”