Miami Heat Offseason Thread 8.0 - 47 cRonin and the inevitable seppuku

[Wiltside]

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OP is beyond cooked

OP in a world of pain, Rex.

cRonin will have his vengeance.

[RexBoyWonder]

Thread is on the verge of going completely off the rails

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OP is beyond cooked

OP in a world of pain, Rex.

cRonin will have his vengeance.

You need a Ray Allen game 6 type miracle now Wilt

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We're talking historic level last minute Woj bomb before the buzzer

[dean456]

But who was Trae Young riding with when he took 2 games as the 5 seed in the ECF? (and Steph didn't have Wiggins yet when they swept the Blazers in the WCF)

You are right I had the wrong year this was the year when Dame's starting lineup was Lillard/McCollum/Harkless/Aminu/Kanter and Golden state had Curry/Thompson/Iggy/Draymond/Looney

My point still stands I'd argue Dame's teams even worse that year. Portland lost in 4 games but one game they lost by 2pts and another they lost by 3. Also as others have mentioned Lillard was playing injured during that GS series reporting said he had a separated rib in game 2 after Looney landed on him

To your Trae Young point. They won 2 games total in that series and beat them in game 1 by 3 points and Trae Young went off scoring 48pts. The 2nd game that they won they beat Milwaukee by 22pts and Trae Young didn't play. So not sure that really proves anything, winning 1 game in the ECFs/WCFs doesn't prove that you are more or less of a winning player then someone who has won none at that level.

Didn't say Trae was better, but Trae is closer to Dame than Dame is to Curry.

I'm not going to argue about Curry being the better player between him and Dame. I don't really rate Young so I don't agree with you there, when things ratchet up Trae just isn't the same player.

I just think if you give Dame the stability that Curry's had since entering the league, giving him Klay and Draymond for all of his years he's played as the no1 option, have him play for the same coach for the majority of his career (8yrs) then I think you see a better Dame that reaches greater heights. May not be better but he would certainly be close.

Point is context matters, a guy isn't just a losing player because he hasn't made it deep in the playoffs many times in their career. Dame just been playing for a **** organization that does a terrible job constructing a roster that makes sense and maximizes Lillard's abilities.

I think next season, Dame's PPG goes down to about 26-27ppg but I think his efficiency will increase. I can see him shooting 47-48FG% and around 39-42% from 3. Spo will teach Lillard to play winning basketball and reign in all the showboaty 40ft+ 3pt shots, and having better teammates will allow him to take better shots and not need to force bad shots.

[BBallFreak]

Let’s break this down…

Herro (=2FRP)
Jovic (=1FRP)
Jazquez (=1FRP)
Lowry (an expiring =1-2SRPs at deadline)
2-3(FRP)

You are asking for the equivalent of up to 7FRPs and up to 2 SRPs for…

Dame (on the way out of superstardom PG production, 33-36 y/o, sitting on one of the most expensive and cap killing contracts earning between $45mil and $63mil over the next few seasons)

Nurkic(= a negative asset or -1 FRP)

DusterBuster.. you sound nice and all… so I say this with all the respect… I think it’s time for you to go. It’s not you, it’s me…. I promise. It’s just that me thinks your crazy for expecting that return for old man Dame making crazy bank and the negative asset of Nurkic. Don’t get me wrong… Blazers will inevitably value their franchise player much higher than anyone else will. We do see value in bringing him on too… but that is far from it! While Dame is still a heck of a player… his contract is an albatross… paired with a sour plate of getting old.

Herro, Lowry, Caleb, and 2 FRPs ($63.5in out)
Dame and Nurkic ($62.5mil in)

That’s more of a fair deal…

You get about 4-5FRPs and 2-3 SRPs of value between what we have going out while taking in your negative contract of Nurkic.

Lmao. This post is hilarious.

I was asked a question, I answered it.

We’ll see what happens.

You finding humor in my post is the definition of irony!
I nearly fell out of my chair with that trade package! I get it though… I would have felt the same with Wade at 33!! He is worth to much to us for his years of service… more than others would ever understand.

I really don't agree with your evaluations. We should make that trade if it's offered and never look back. We'd need to add a vet backup point guard, but otherwise, we'd look like this:

Pg: Liliard
Sg: Richardson / Robinson
Sf: Butler / Highsmith
Pf: Love / Martin
Cc: Bam / Nurkic

No one would be stopping us. We'd be deep and talented. Wouldn't complain about signing Wood for the minimum to fortify the power rotation, and I'd feel bad for Thomas Bryant and Orlando Robinson, but it is what it is. You take that and run with it...

[Wiltside]

Lmao. This post is hilarious.

I was asked a question, I answered it.

We’ll see what happens.

You finding humor in my post is the definition of irony!
I nearly fell out of my chair with that trade package! I get it though… I would have felt the same with Wade at 33!! He is worth to much to us for his years of service… more than others would ever understand.

I really don't agree with your evaluations. We should make that trade if it's offered and never look back. We'd need to add a vet backup point guard, but otherwise, we'd look like this:

Pg: Liliard
Sg: Richardson / Robinson
Sf: Butler / Highsmith
Pf: Love / Martin
Cc: Bam / Nurkic

No one would be stopping us. We'd be deep and talented. Wouldn't complain about signing Wood for the minimum to fortify the power rotation, and I'd feel bad for Thomas Bryant and Orlando Robinson, but it is what it is. You take that and run with it...

Wanna keep one of Jaquez or Jovic. Yes because I’m greedy.

[Dc__20]

FFS I’m believing the conspiracy theory that espn wants this to drag on. Just give the turd blazers 3frp Tyler and Jovic…. Get the team together and build it up already

[contract]

25 and 11 for Jovic?

Maybe 25 minutes and 11 points.

I think you guys are kind of screwed if you trade Dame. Heat picks are rarely worth much, although a few year back teams were trampling over themselves over one of our unprotected picks. I forget the year. Probably right after Bosh's blood clot issue. I'd also be surprised if Herro nets more than one 1st round pick in a trade. I don't think you can get near fair value for Dame and are probably best off holding on to him and trying to rebuild a winning situation around him.

Dame, Simons, Sharpe, Grant and Nurkic is not the worst situation in the NBA. Cronin should tell Dame to nut up and take responsibility for the team's performance instead of whining about his situation. Can the roster use some tweaking? Sure. So could ours. We damn near missed the playoffs last season.

[HEATVols865]

I’ll get the next thread…Miami Heat Off-season Thread 9.0 - Dame’s BBW Edition

[HEATVols865]

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[HEATVols865]

If we land Dame, I’ll be posting one BBW picture per day for a month. Celebrating with all the thickness and jiggle available!

[greg4012]

The flawed logic of your premise is that Dame and his agent have already made his value low by tainting the market. Ok… so the value maybe gets worse… so what? If it’s already 50c on the dollar, who cares if it drops to 40?

The reality is, waiting always helps the team trading the star. Everyone KILLED Morey for this position (myself included) when he was dealing with the Ben Simmons situation, but in the end he was right. Now I’m not saying that will work that exact way where the Blazers get back a Harden player, but the team that has the least to lose by waiting is always the team trading the player.

Again, I know why you all want to believe your theory, but it is wrong if you ask any impartial party.

I disagree and you’re basing your own premise on a fluke one off situation. Also Simmons as flawed as he is, is young and in his prime. Lillards value drops every single day purely based on the passage of time, because unfortunately most of the league doesn’t age like LeBron (ped’s or not).

And you're basing your premise on... nothing. There's literally nothing to prove that his value drops "every single day" lol. That's a ludicrous statement.

I'm not going to bother arguing this with you, you have your very clear agenda which you're welcome to, especially on your board.

At this point, I'm relatively checked out. I'm not overly invested in what the Blazers get for Dame. If you're correct and Dame's value goes lower by waiting... oh well. They have their rebuilding core already set, so it's not like what the Blazer get back for Dame is so monumentally important as it needs to be the backbone of a rebuilding effort. At this point, whatever comes back from Dame is just supplementing their rebuild, not seeding it.

Interesting that being “relatively checked out” manifests in coming to the Heat’s forum to track the subject and post more on it when the other available forums you’ve been frequenting aren’t producing added dialogue at a sufficient pace.

Funny how that works.

[IceColdCubano]

We're missing out on viable FAs that can help us. I think it's time we pursue another trade and make other moves. Portland is fooling around and it's not worth the hassle

Who? We can only sign 2 more minimum contracts, there's nothing else left on the list to go for that moves our needle. At this point just sit tight and wait for Dame. Let Pat play fiddle Cronin ballz until he gives in.

I heard some talk about Christian Wood possibly being available at a low price. Eric Gordon signed with PHX on the cheap didn't he?

Were overloaded on big man, We have Bam, Resigned Kevin Love, Newly Signed Thomas Bryant, we have Orlando Robinson on a two way contract. No more minutes there for anybody else, why get a 5th bigman?

Also Eric Gordon was signed the day after free agency started, we signed Josh Richardson instead, its not like Eric was sitting around waiting for us or anything. He is replacing Max Struss, the only player we have not replaced is Gabe Vincent.

However Until Miami resolves the Lillard situation, and knows what's going out ie, Lowry they won't go out and sign somebody just yet incase the trade turns different.

If Cristian wood is dead set on coming here, and Miami gave him confirmation of some sort, then he will just sit back and wait.

Ira Winderman from the Sun Sentinel answers this question as well.
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[AirP.]

Who knows where he really is, just going off what the person tweeted.

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[MorbidHEAT]

Who knows where he really is, but going off what the person said.

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Probably nothing more than a guy going home to visit family.

[Jfh20]

If blazers wanted herro, trade woulda went through Alrdy . We done

[IceColdCubano]

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Some good conversations between Zach Lowe and another guy who I don't know.

[IceColdCubano]

If blazers wanted herro, trade woulda went through Alrdy . We done

Its not about wanting, its about need. They have no need for Herro, they have literally 3 young guards on small contracts who they are building from. Scoot and Sharpe are 19 & 20 respectively, they are not in a win now mode. So for them right now Picks from a team like Miami are far more important. Miami is also the only team that has an actual offer on the table, nobody else has come in to negotiate, so they are in a position to not have to go all in, just yet. Miami is playing this the right way if you have a chance to pick up Lillard and not lose all your future assets than yeah worth the wait, victory taste much sweeter when it comes in due time.

[Grumpy Heat Fan]

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[AirP.]

If blazers wanted herro, trade woulda went through Alrdy . We done

Its not about wanting, its about need. They have no need for Herro, they have literally 3 young guards on small contracts who they are building from. Scoot and Sharpe are 19 & 20 respectively, they are not in a win now mode. So for them right now Picks from a team like Miami are far more important. Miami is also the only team that has an actual offer on the table, nobody else has come in to negotiate, so they are in a position to not have to go all in, just yet. Miami is playing this the right way if you have a chance to pick up Lillard and not lose all your future assets than yeah worth the wait, victory taste much sweeter when it comes in due time.

Simplistically one could say that Portland is waiting for a better offer and that's where this gets package gets complicated and may take a while. Miami seems to have 1 offer on the table that Portland doesn't want, so it's up to Miami to talk with other teams and figure out additional trades they can do (using the least amount of assets) to satisfy Portland's demands.

Then again... I wouldn't put it past Miami to do a take it or leave it offer and lose out on Lillard like they've done in recent history with Lowry and Oladipo trying to maximize leverage, one time it worked, one didn't and may have cost Miami much more assets in a S&T.

[ixeleven]

Who knows where he really is, just going off what the person tweeted.

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That’s 100% PDX. You can tell by the carpet.

Either way, more than likely just there visiting family.